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Barb December 28th 03 08:32 PM

The meat industry
 
This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.

Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Sherry December 28th 03 08:55 PM

This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.

I noticed that also, Barb. The cattle market here hit an all-time high this
past fall, with increases in meat at the market *and* on the hoof. I don't eat
beef anyway, but I *am* concerned about the small family farm operations who
depend on the cattle industry for their livelihood.
It just seems peculiar that the "Mad Cow" scare comes at this particular time.
Probably coincidental but it makes you wonder.

Sherry

Sherry December 28th 03 08:55 PM

This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.

I noticed that also, Barb. The cattle market here hit an all-time high this
past fall, with increases in meat at the market *and* on the hoof. I don't eat
beef anyway, but I *am* concerned about the small family farm operations who
depend on the cattle industry for their livelihood.
It just seems peculiar that the "Mad Cow" scare comes at this particular time.
Probably coincidental but it makes you wonder.

Sherry

Joe Canuck December 28th 03 10:07 PM

Barb wrote:

Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?


I wouldn't exactly call finding the disease in ONE cow an outbreak.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck


Joe Canuck December 28th 03 10:07 PM

Barb wrote:

Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?


I wouldn't exactly call finding the disease in ONE cow an outbreak.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck


GAUBSTER2 December 28th 03 10:41 PM

This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.


Oh please, Barb! You sound like one of these leftists going on and on about
greedy entities. Quit being so paranoid! Haven't you been following the news?
The low carb craze has driven meat prices up! It's simple supply and demand.

GAUBSTER2 December 28th 03 10:41 PM

This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.


Oh please, Barb! You sound like one of these leftists going on and on about
greedy entities. Quit being so paranoid! Haven't you been following the news?
The low carb craze has driven meat prices up! It's simple supply and demand.

Judy December 29th 03 04:45 AM


"Barb" wrote in message
...
This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.

Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?


The cow in question has been in the U.S. for a couple of years - long before
the outbreak (one case) in Canada this past May. The incubation period for
this disease can be years, so there would be no way of knowing if the cow
was ill until symptoms were exhibited.

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how this cow got
into the food chain in the first place, and why only after it got there, did
someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy




Judy December 29th 03 04:45 AM


"Barb" wrote in message
...
This mad cow scare comes just about a couple weeks after the greedy meat
industry jacked its prices sky high and I heard a lot of complaints while
shopping in the supermarket.

Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?


The cow in question has been in the U.S. for a couple of years - long before
the outbreak (one case) in Canada this past May. The incubation period for
this disease can be years, so there would be no way of knowing if the cow
was ill until symptoms were exhibited.

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how this cow got
into the food chain in the first place, and why only after it got there, did
someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy




PawsForThought December 29th 03 04:58 PM

From: "Barb"

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak? Well, I guess you don't represent
the more than 2 dozen countries that are now refusing to import meat from
the USA. Don't forget, every cow in the country is not tested, only a
fraction.


What I found interesting, and rather scary, is that instead of testing food
that is fed cattle to make sure that bonemeal and other animal products are not
in it, they are testing only the suppliers' documentation (their records).
They really need to test the feed, not just look at records.

Lauren

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PawsForThought December 29th 03 04:58 PM

From: "Barb"

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak? Well, I guess you don't represent
the more than 2 dozen countries that are now refusing to import meat from
the USA. Don't forget, every cow in the country is not tested, only a
fraction.


What I found interesting, and rather scary, is that instead of testing food
that is fed cattle to make sure that bonemeal and other animal products are not
in it, they are testing only the suppliers' documentation (their records).
They really need to test the feed, not just look at records.

Lauren

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PawsForThought December 29th 03 05:00 PM

From: "Barb"

Were you the person that thinks "downer" cows are only used for pet and
livestock food? They are dragged to the slaughterhouse together with the
healthy cattle and prepared for our own markets.


Hi Barb,
Scary, isn't it?
BTW, can you cut and paste who you're replying to so I can tell whose post it
was? Thanks :)

Lauren

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PawsForThought December 29th 03 05:00 PM

From: "Barb"

Were you the person that thinks "downer" cows are only used for pet and
livestock food? They are dragged to the slaughterhouse together with the
healthy cattle and prepared for our own markets.


Hi Barb,
Scary, isn't it?
BTW, can you cut and paste who you're replying to so I can tell whose post it
was? Thanks :)

Lauren

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Barb December 29th 03 05:11 PM

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak? Well, I guess you don't represent
the more than 2 dozen countries that are now refusing to import meat from
the USA. Don't forget, every cow in the country is not tested, only a
fraction. And if you are the person that posted that "downer " cows are
only used for pet and livestock food, guess again. They are used the same
as healthy cows, for human food.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 29th 03 05:11 PM

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak? Well, I guess you don't represent
the more than 2 dozen countries that are now refusing to import meat from
the USA. Don't forget, every cow in the country is not tested, only a
fraction. And if you are the person that posted that "downer " cows are
only used for pet and livestock food, guess again. They are used the same
as healthy cows, for human food.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 29th 03 05:14 PM

LOL. I'm a Republican, not a leftist!!!

I know the story that the meat prices were jacked up because so many people
went on the lo-carb diet. That's the meat industry's story. How many
people do you know that are on that diet?

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 29th 03 05:14 PM

LOL. I'm a Republican, not a leftist!!!

I know the story that the meat prices were jacked up because so many people
went on the lo-carb diet. That's the meat industry's story. How many
people do you know that are on that diet?

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 29th 03 05:17 PM

Were you the person that thinks "downer" cows are only used for pet and
livestock food? They are dragged to the slaughterhouse together with the
healthy cattle and prepared for our own markets.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 29th 03 05:17 PM

Were you the person that thinks "downer" cows are only used for pet and
livestock food? They are dragged to the slaughterhouse together with the
healthy cattle and prepared for our own markets.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



GAUBSTER2 December 29th 03 11:56 PM

From: "Barb"

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak?


No sane person would think that one of anything is an "outbreak".



GAUBSTER2 December 29th 03 11:56 PM

From: "Barb"

You wouldn't call one cow an outbreak?


No sane person would think that one of anything is an "outbreak".



GAUBSTER2 December 29th 03 11:57 PM

From: "Barb"

LOL. I'm a Republican, not a leftist!!!

I know the story that the meat prices were jacked up because so many people
went on the lo-carb diet. That's the meat industry's story. How many
people do you know that are on that diet?


I know quite a few actually. You say it's just a story, but there are a LOT of
people jumping on the bandwagon of the low-carb craze.

GAUBSTER2 December 29th 03 11:57 PM

From: "Barb"

LOL. I'm a Republican, not a leftist!!!

I know the story that the meat prices were jacked up because so many people
went on the lo-carb diet. That's the meat industry's story. How many
people do you know that are on that diet?


I know quite a few actually. You say it's just a story, but there are a LOT of
people jumping on the bandwagon of the low-carb craze.

MacCandace December 30th 03 03:55 AM

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how this cow got
into the food chain in the first place, and why only after it got there, did
someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy

The way I understood it from what I read is that this was a dairy cow and the
only reason it was slaughtered is because it was ill and stumbling around. Now
that's what's really scary. A sick cow such as this is referred to as a
"downer" cow and only 10 percent of downer cows that are slaughtered are tested
so, conceivably, this could be a much huger problem. But really, how gross, to
pick a sick cow and purposely slaughter it and then have it sliced up and
rendered? Yuk.

Candace
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than human." (Loren Eisely)

MacCandace December 30th 03 03:55 AM

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how this cow got
into the food chain in the first place, and why only after it got there, did
someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy

The way I understood it from what I read is that this was a dairy cow and the
only reason it was slaughtered is because it was ill and stumbling around. Now
that's what's really scary. A sick cow such as this is referred to as a
"downer" cow and only 10 percent of downer cows that are slaughtered are tested
so, conceivably, this could be a much huger problem. But really, how gross, to
pick a sick cow and purposely slaughter it and then have it sliced up and
rendered? Yuk.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

Cheryl December 30th 03 04:15 AM

MacCandace wrote in on
29 Dec 2003:

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how
this cow got into the food chain in the first place, and why only
after it got there, did someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy

The way I understood it from what I read is that this was a dairy cow
and the only reason it was slaughtered is because it was ill and
stumbling around. Now that's what's really scary. A sick cow such as
this is referred to as a "downer" cow and only 10 percent of downer
cows that are slaughtered are tested so, conceivably, this could be a
much huger problem. But really, how gross, to pick a sick cow and
purposely slaughter it and then have it sliced up and rendered? Yuk.


And according to the USDA and their "emotional" response to BSE they issued
this FAQ

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to ensure
that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human food
supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and the
meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these animals
are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratories for
analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html


--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller

Cheryl December 30th 03 04:15 AM

MacCandace wrote in on
29 Dec 2003:

What I'd like to know, but will probably never find out, is how
this cow got into the food chain in the first place, and why only
after it got there, did someone decide to raise a flag??

Judy

The way I understood it from what I read is that this was a dairy cow
and the only reason it was slaughtered is because it was ill and
stumbling around. Now that's what's really scary. A sick cow such as
this is referred to as a "downer" cow and only 10 percent of downer
cows that are slaughtered are tested so, conceivably, this could be a
much huger problem. But really, how gross, to pick a sick cow and
purposely slaughter it and then have it sliced up and rendered? Yuk.


And according to the USDA and their "emotional" response to BSE they issued
this FAQ

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to ensure
that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human food
supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and the
meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these animals
are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratories for
analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html


--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller

Cheryl December 30th 03 04:26 AM

Meghan Noecker wrote in on 29 Dec 2003:

On 30 Dec 2003 04:15:07 GMT, Cheryl
wrote:

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to
ensure that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human
food supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and
the meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these
animals are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services
Laboratories for analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html



Then how do they explain downer cows being used in Western Washington?
They can't walk. How can they be approved?


Exactly.



--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller

Cheryl December 30th 03 04:26 AM

Meghan Noecker wrote in on 29 Dec 2003:

On 30 Dec 2003 04:15:07 GMT, Cheryl
wrote:

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to
ensure that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human
food supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and
the meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these
animals are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services
Laboratories for analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html



Then how do they explain downer cows being used in Western Washington?
They can't walk. How can they be approved?


Exactly.



--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller

GAUBSTER2 December 30th 03 04:11 PM

Then how do they explain downer cows being used in Western Washington?
They can't walk. How can they be approved?


Exactly.


Um, maybe somebody didn't follow the rules? Just because a piece of paper says
something, doesn't mean it is always followed. North Korea Nuke Treaty
advocated by Clinton? Your local speed limits?

GAUBSTER2 December 30th 03 04:11 PM

Then how do they explain downer cows being used in Western Washington?
They can't walk. How can they be approved?


Exactly.


Um, maybe somebody didn't follow the rules? Just because a piece of paper says
something, doesn't mean it is always followed. North Korea Nuke Treaty
advocated by Clinton? Your local speed limits?

GAUBSTER2 December 30th 03 04:13 PM

From: (Meghan Noecker)

They showed multiple downer cows being hauled in. It was disgusting at
how inhumanely the animals were treated, and more disgusting to think
that a dirty animal lying in feces and too sick to stand would be
considered good enough for usage as food.


Where did that footage originate? News stations are guilty of frequently using
"file footage" that is passed off as locally obtained.

I really believe that most of these problems would not exist, if all
down cows were put down humanely on the spot, a sample taken for
testing, and the rest of the cow destroyed with no usage whatsoever.
Yes, it would be a loss financially, but I would rather pay higher
prices for meat and products and cover that farmers' costs of doing
bsuiness, than risk a sick animal being put into the food system. If
the animal is sick enough to warrant testing, then it should be
considered a loss. As it is, they go into the system, and end up
spreading the problem.


I agree completely w/ you, Megan. As it is, out meat supply is pretty safe,
but this would be a good rule of thumb as far as I'm concerned.

GAUBSTER2 December 30th 03 04:13 PM

From: (Meghan Noecker)

They showed multiple downer cows being hauled in. It was disgusting at
how inhumanely the animals were treated, and more disgusting to think
that a dirty animal lying in feces and too sick to stand would be
considered good enough for usage as food.


Where did that footage originate? News stations are guilty of frequently using
"file footage" that is passed off as locally obtained.

I really believe that most of these problems would not exist, if all
down cows were put down humanely on the spot, a sample taken for
testing, and the rest of the cow destroyed with no usage whatsoever.
Yes, it would be a loss financially, but I would rather pay higher
prices for meat and products and cover that farmers' costs of doing
bsuiness, than risk a sick animal being put into the food system. If
the animal is sick enough to warrant testing, then it should be
considered a loss. As it is, they go into the system, and end up
spreading the problem.


I agree completely w/ you, Megan. As it is, out meat supply is pretty safe,
but this would be a good rule of thumb as far as I'm concerned.

Betsy December 30th 03 04:14 PM

Based on the facts in the case, isn't this statement an outright lie? Or am
I missing something?


And according to the USDA and their "emotional" response to BSE they

issued
this FAQ

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to

ensure
that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human food
supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and the
meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these animals
are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratories for
analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html


--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller




Betsy December 30th 03 04:14 PM

Based on the facts in the case, isn't this statement an outright lie? Or am
I missing something?


And according to the USDA and their "emotional" response to BSE they

issued
this FAQ

What actions are taken at USDA-inspected slaughter establishments to

ensure
that cattle with neurological disease would not enter the human food
supply?

All cattle presented for slaughter in the United States are inspected
before slaughter by FSIS for signs of CNS impairment. Any animals
exhibiting neurologic signs during this inspection are condemned, and the
meat is not permitted for use as human food. The brains from these animals
are submitted to USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratories for
analysis.
http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/i...-overview.html


--
Cheryl

"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I
can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do."
- Helen Keller




Barb December 30th 03 06:01 PM

Lauren?

I don't know how to cut and paste a post! Sorry. I think it was good old
Gaubster that thought downer cows are not put into our food supply.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Barb December 30th 03 06:01 PM

Lauren?

I don't know how to cut and paste a post! Sorry. I think it was good old
Gaubster that thought downer cows are not put into our food supply.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.



Carrie-Lou Salter December 30th 03 06:05 PM


"Barb" wrote in message
...
snip
Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.


Outbreak?!?!?!

Ummmm.....one cow...that had already been culled from the herd (killed), was
tested a few months later and was found to have BSE......how the hell does
that make it an outbreak??

Carrie
Nova Scotia, Canada
I LOVE CANADIAN BEEF! -- Flame me if you want



Carrie-Lou Salter December 30th 03 06:05 PM


"Barb" wrote in message
...
snip
Why would they have bought cows from Canada where they had an outbreak of
the disease?

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.


Outbreak?!?!?!

Ummmm.....one cow...that had already been culled from the herd (killed), was
tested a few months later and was found to have BSE......how the hell does
that make it an outbreak??

Carrie
Nova Scotia, Canada
I LOVE CANADIAN BEEF! -- Flame me if you want



PawsForThought December 30th 03 07:39 PM

From: "Barb"

Lauren?

I don't know how to cut and paste a post! Sorry. I think it was good old
Gaubster that thought downer cows are not put into our food supply.


That's ok, Barb. It just makes it easier to follow along. I don't know what
software you're using to post, but the way I cut and paste is to highlight the
portion of the post I want to respond to (including the author's name) and then
click on quote (or you can highlight it, then right click on it and click on
Copy). Then when you are composing your post, just right click in a blank
space and click on Paste.

Not sure how well I explained this, but I hope it helps :)

Lauren


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