Animals do not "anticipate"
 

"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

guess you never saw my father's setter anticipate his arrival, no matter
what schedule he was on or if he was just popping out for a gallon of milk,
not only did that dog know when he was returning, she would would wake from
a dead sleep to sit by the door to greet him, Lee
wrote in message
...
"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus

Obviously written by someone with no experience of cats :)

Dan

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:32:07 -0400, wrote:

"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus

I'm a Hoomin but my pussycats Beauty and Cinder are as smart as I am.
They also purr and are very cute.
Why do you have a grudge against your pet?

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:32:07 +0300, wrote:

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything.

This is arguable. Experiences with gorillas and chimpanzees who had been
taught sign language have showed their capability of anticipating things.
They have talked about a wish to become a mother and about tomorrow, even
about death. That seems pretty anticipatory to me.
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Animals do not "anticipate"
 

On 21 Apr 2006 Goo wrote:

"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus


Thanks for reposting that, ****wit. Maybe you're beginning to catch
on.

Their response is caused by their anticipation, Goo, not
by a human's emotion somehow being projected into the
animal causing a change in its behavior.

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

wrote

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything.

You obviously haven't lived with many animals.

--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge
me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at
the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the
door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is.
If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong
definition of the word.
Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"?

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:48:39 +0300, "Opinicus" wrote:

wrote

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything.

You obviously haven't lived with many animals.

Apparently what little experience he may have had didn't
teach him much--if anything at all. LOL...most people have
already been amused by the antics of anticipating animals
a number of times while they were still young children :-)

Animals do not "anticipate"
 

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:46:35 +0300, "Mixu Lauronen" wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:32:07 +0300, wrote:

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything.

This is arguable. Experiences with gorillas and chimpanzees who had been
taught sign language have showed their capability of anticipating things.
They have talked about a wish to become a mother and about tomorrow, even
about death. That seems pretty anticipatory to me.

No doubt. On a more basic level, some if not most animals would not be able
to survive if they didn't anticipate. I've explained to Goo that birds of prey
would starve if they didn't anticipate getting a meal by hunting, but he can't
understand things like that. Even fish learn to anticipate when and where
they can get food, but such facts are lost on some people apparently.