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After many years on cat groups trying to educated the ignorant - no.

Rather like the blind leading the blind? Ah, another 'victim' who must blame their own bad
behaviour on their perceived actions of others. If you don't get help at Charter.......get
help somewhere.

Where did I ever say that?

You would have us believe that it is totally safe to allow your cats to roam unsupervised,
with no fear of abuse. I think you are just trying to offer more excuses for irresponsible
behaviour.

You've
folks there that kill other humans for their difference in religious beliefs. And you
expect me to believe that no one becomes enraged over the destruction of their
property?

By cats? No, not really.

Cats, kids, cars, sheep, little green men from Mars?.... people who are upset because the
property they work hard and pay for becomes ruined are most often not really concerned
with the "by what?" question. They are just upset that the incident occurs. The fact
remains that cats DO harm the property of others, they can scratch paint on expensive
cars, defecate and urinate in plantings, kill song birds, and other small pets and
wildlife, and often disturb other peoples pets, inciting dogs to bark. These kind of
actions occur world wide, as cats are cats, and don't understand the etiquette of trying
to feel somehow morally superiour because they live in the UK. You do not have the power
to control how these people react, only the power to see they don't have a reason to react
in the first place.

People who do not like animals in their gardens have the right to keep
them out. They do not have the right to harm the animal though.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if everyone operated ONLY within their legal rights? You
may come back to reality at any time, or stay in your delusional fantasy world where
people don't do bad things because you 'prosecute' and 'punish' them.

But for the sake of other cats a criminal conviction would have
helped. Most people would not have rat poison, in fact I can't
remember the last time I saw any being used. And of course, tests
would soon link the poison to the death and then the police would
prosecute.

I have come to the conclusion that you are either an insipid troll, a complete blithering
fool with way too much time on his hands, or a seriously delusional mental case. The
police have their hands full solving HUMAN murders. Both in the UK, and the US. You SURELY
don't expect them to do full forensic testing because of a dead CAT? Rat poison is very
common here, and obtainable in any grocery store. We reported the death. There was
absolutely no way to prove how the cat had gotten in to the poison, and like the police
officer said, "It could have been from eating a contaminated mouse that had recently
filled it's stomach." A neighbor on the other side of the 'alleged' poisoner hinted that
they knew what happened, but would not come forward because they "have to live next to
this person, and didn't want any trouble". Even if the person did 'say' what they knew, it
would be 'hearsay' evidence, and thus inadmissible in a court, and a LONG way from proving
anything. And even *IF* they did prosecute, what would the person get? A fine? A month in
the county jail?

Here's another hint-police don't prosecute here. The District Attorney's office does.
Perhaps your have been watching too many fantasy detective shows, where the copper always
'gets the bad guy' in the end.

Ahh, and as for "most people" not having rat poison? Here, in fact, is a quote from
http://www.simplyonecall.co.uk/ of Northern Ireland-
Preparative baiting
Rodenticide bait is placed at strategic, safe points, inside and outside the buildings, in
order to reduce populations around the building and to deal with individuals that enter,
before an infestation can take hold.

Gee, I wonder where they get that rodenticide?

Only three days? It really should be three weeks, which allows for
people taking a couple of weeks holiday and the cat going AWOL on the
first day.

I suppose they figure if you are irresponsible enough to let your unaltered animal run
amok while you are on holiday, it is better off with someone else. This cat had been
living in an partially constructed house across the road for over a month. It is also very
apparent that it is a feral animal. So no need to get your knickers in a bunch worrying
about owners showing up.

Well if they make threats, that in itself can be a criminal offence,
but it would at least get them a warning from the police that they had
better not try anything. If something then happened to the cat, well
the police do not take being ignored like that very lightly.

Those kind of people can be warned and warned. They were warned about keeping the dog on
their own property, or they'd be given a citation, but guess where the dog was again last
week?

Your stupidity is showing. A cat is NOT a child, by the age of a year
it is a full adult. Would you keep your sister in 24/7 just because
there is a risk she could be mugged or raped if she went out?

Your point of view is absurd. 1. A cat cannot be communicated with like even a human CHILD
can. You can't tell the cat, "Okay, you can go play at Fluffy's, but don't cross the
street by yourself, and be home by seven." 2. I ALWAYS knew where my kids were. At all
times. NO exceptions. And until they were old enough to stay away from traffic and
strangers, they went NO WHERE without an adult. My animals are the same way. When they go
outdoors, they are supervised, for their protection, and as a matter of decency and
responsibilty. Comparing an "adult" animal with only a limited understanding of the human
world, to a fully competent adult human is like comparing a severly mentally handicapped
person of age, with Einstein. Both may be of legal majority, or physically full grown, but
it does not mean that unfortunate handicapped person has the capability to fend for
themselves in a hostile environment, with the same success as a person who has a greater
mental capacity.

But it is no excuse to ill-treat cats by keeping them indoors 24/7.

Again, what are you taking/smoking that makes you think that providing a cat with a
spacious environment, and supervised outdoor activity, is ill-treating them? Would you
throw a three year old out of doors, unsupervised? They can obey safety rules about as
well as a cat can. Do you think the three year old will stay in his own yard, or look
before he crosses the road?

Even in the UK, some children are murdered by strangers - but that
does not mean we keep all our kids indoors 24/7. What it means is
that, as a society, we do all we can to catch and punish the murderers
- making it less likely that others will be tempted to follow suit.

Catch and punish all you like. I see what they did to those two ten year olds who tortured
and molested that poor two year old until he was dead, then had the forethought to try and
hide their sick crime. Wiped their records and set them free. Bully for your vastly
superiour catch and punish system (NOT!). I would not ever let a child OR a pet of mine
out of my site, in the UK or the US.

But you are NOT showing then care and tenderness - your are not
providing them with a proper life. At best the manage a rather meager
half-life, cut of from so much that is important to them.

What is it that you deem so important? Defecating on the neighbors yard in lieu of their
own? Hunting and killing? (Mine do that indoors, only it is scorpions, and spiders,
instead of mice). They have lizards and fish to watch, plenty of activity, and plants to
chew on. They have places to scratch, climb and plenty of open area to run. A meager life
is a cat that just "exists". Thrown out of doors, without companionship or love, until
such a time as to dump some morsel into its bowl. That isn't a life. That isn't a
relationship. That is a 'possession'. Might as well have a statue.


Liar!

Well, you show me one instance where I've lied. You, on the other hand, are the one who
inferred that they don't have rat poison in the UK.

Even when THEY are given the choice,
they prefer to be indoors.

Well if you systematically abuse them long enough that is the sort of
miserable half-cat you get as a result.

Go on believing your delusions. You must really have some deep seated emotional problems
to carry on the way you do. Tell me, what kind of real life do you have, besides keeping
non-pets that 'belong' to you, pnly to roam around to only God-knows-where until feeding
time? Perhaps the lackings in your own interpersonal relationship skills are what drives
you to live the fantasy VR life of a newsgroup troll. Do you actually even OWN a cat?


Perhaps they know more than any of us give them credit for.
Those who truly love their animals would literally lay down their lives for them, and
would never intentionally put them in harms way.

You live in a very sad little dream world - life is a balance, and you
are not allowing your cat to live its life.

I think the health and happiness of my animals speaks volumes as to their balance. Tell
me, are your cats well enough behaved to sit in the seat of a shopping basket as you push
it round the store? How much 'quality' time do you actually spend, interacting with your
animals, and giving them love? (Don't count that fifteen seconds it takes to open the tin
and dump the cat food in the bowl as "quality time".) Do you take your cats on outings?
(Don't count trips to the vet when they come home all torn to shreds from tangling with
some vicious wildlife).


Liar! You put your cats at greater risk of disease than I do, because
their immune systems will not be able to cope with things properly.
You put your cats at FAR greater risk when they do eventually escape
(as all cats do).

You are so confused. The immune system developes in a normal healthy cat, whether exposed
to viruses or not. It does not take constant exposure to contaminents or infectious
biohazards to stimulate immune development. A person (or cat) can have a fully functional,
non-compromised immune system without being exposed to the myriad of 'bugs' available to
wandering strays. In fact, feline AIDS is a leading cause of MANY cat illnesses, and is
usually transmitted by a bite or scratch wound caused by fighting.

From Cornell Feline Health Center, Cornell University-
"FIV-infected cats are found worldwide, but the prevalence of infection depends on
geographic locale and the population of cats tested. In the United States, approximately
1.5 to 3% of healthy cats are infected with FIV. Infection rates rise significantly in
cats that are sick; up to 15% of cats with clinical signs of other disease also are
infected with FIV. Free-roaming male cats -- especially aggressive ones -- are the most
frequently infected, while cats housed exclusively indoors are much less likely to be
infected. "

Full article appears he

http://web.vet.cornell.edu/Public/FHC/fiv.html

It would appear letting your cat OUTDOORS is actually a greater risk to compromising their
immune system. Where did you get your degree in immunology? Please go ask them for a
refund.

if I can at all help
it. They are all very healthy, happy, and loving, and that speaks volumes more truth,
than
any opinion typed in ignorance.

The only ignorance is yours - animal abuser.

*sigh* There is this saying about mud wrestling with a pig......


Alas, your intelligence qualifies you more for the primordial soup
than for the "master race." Recognize your limitations. Then shut
up.

I have test results putting my IQ over the 130 mark. What is yours, Bob? Care to share?
No lying now! *snicker*

And FYI, who is to say the cats aren't the master race?

If you spent the amount of time you waste each day trolling this newsgroup with your inane
verbosity, instead on actually CARING for your pets, instead of tossing them outside, out
of your way, perhaps you'd not be such an ill-mannered, boorish troll.

D.