On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:18:09 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge wrote:

On Dec 7, 4:16 am, dh@. wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:08:35 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge wrote:
I only ever eat vegetarian meat.

Don't forget that pigs and poultry are omnivorous.

Don't forget meat eaters ultimately couldn't exist if it weren't for
vegetarians.

Not vegetarian humans of course. Veg*nism does nothing
to help humanity, and CERTAINLY does nothing to help
livestock. People can only contribute to decent lives for
livestock by being conscientious consumers of livestock
products. And as far as the existence of humans: If it weren't
for meat consumers humans could never have populated
much less formed thriving societies in most parts of the world
that they now thrive in. The settling and developement of
such places could have had nothing to do with veg*ns,
since people who didn't eat meat could not have survived.
It's only now that places have been populated and developed
by omnivorous humans, that veg*n humans can survive
in such places...survive to **** and moan about meat
consumption, even when consuming meat contributes to
fewer deaths than being veg*n. It's not unlike people who
can only survive on medicines developed by animal research,
who bitch about the animal research without which they
would be long dead. Actually, there's no way of knowing
how many of the people who bitch about animal research
would not exist to bitch if it weren't for the very thing they
bitch about. How many of them would have gotten Polio,
or their parents, or their children, or other members of their
family and friends? There's just no way of knowing how
many people survive only because of animal research, but
it's a safe bet that we all benefit from it in some ways.
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WITHOUT ANIMAL RESEARCH:

Polio would kill or cripple thousands of unvaccinated children and
adults this year.

Most of the nation's one million insulin-dependent diabetics wouldn't
be insulin dependent -- they would be dead.

60 million Americans would risk death from heart attack, stroke or
kidney failure from lack of medication to control their high blood
pressure.

Doctors would have no chemotherapy to save the 70% of children who
now survive acute lymphocytic leukemia.

More than one million Americans would lose vision in at least one eye
this year because cataract surgery would be impossible.

Hundreds of thousands of people disabled by strokes or by head or
spinal cord injuries would not benefit from rehabilitation techniques.

The more than 100,000 people with arthritis who each year receive hip
replacements would walk only with great pain and difficulty or be
confined to wheelchairs.

7,500 newborns who contract jaundice each year would develop cerebral
palsy, now preventable through phototherapy.

There would be no kidney dialysis to extend the lives of thousands of
patients with end-stage renal disease.

Surgery of any type would be a painful, rare procedure without the
development of modern anesthesia allowing artificially induced
unconsciousness or local or general insensitivity to pain.

Instead of being eradicated, smallpox would continue unchecked and many
others would join the two million people already killed by the disease.

Millions of dogs, cats, and other pets and farm animals would have died
from anthrax, distemper, canine parvovirus, feline leukemia, rabies and
more than 200 other diseases now preventable thanks to animal research.

http://www.ampef.org/research.htm
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