New vaccination protocol link needed

Cheryl wrote:
Alison in OH dumped this in
on 13 Apr 2004:


We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a
believer in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy
cats, and obviously Shamrock doesn't fit that description. So he got
off today without the FVRCP. He'll still have to continue getting
yearly FLV boosters for as long as Shadow is alive, unless they can
determine yearly is overkill. From what I've read so far, they
haven't reached any conclusions for FLV yet.

Well, except for the whole "age-related immunity is a heck of a lot
more effective than the vaccine" thing.


True, but I guess non of this stuff is really proven yet. Yes, I've read
the studies, and I am afraid of the VAS. I just don't really know what to
do and I suspect most people are this way and just trust in their vet. It
never hurts to keep this type of communication open, though, because if I
didn't read here and read links you guys suggest, he would have been
vaccinated yesterday rather than discuss an every-other-year plan and
then revisit it next year.

I'm a big fan of having a good relationship with your vet and I by no
means want to drive a wedge between you. But I hope you feel that your
discussions with your vet have a decent amount of give-and-take and
don't conclude with her running roughshod over you and your input.
You and your vet are supposed to be partners for your pet's health --
and both of you have equal responsibility.

-Alison in OH

PawsForThought wrote:

Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV, the
cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right?

Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology,
said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the article
I read by him. It was very interesting.

No, that's FIV. To get FeLV the positive and negative cats can simply
share close quarters, slobbering on each other and each other's food and
the like.

And the FeLV vaccine has an unusual mechanism and long-term protection
hasn't been shown definitively like it has for the components of FVRCP.
In fact, short-term protection hasn't really been shown as the vaccine
is rather ineffective.

I'm sure Cheryl and her vet have this publication but for general
consumption, here's a page with the AAFP's wonderful breakdown on how to
manage the feline retroviruses, FIV and FeLV:

http://aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm

I think it's rather conservative, and if I had a positive and a negative
cat I'd probably just house them separately so they didn't have too much
bodily fluid transfer and call it good. But that's a big IF -- keeping a
positive and a negative cat is a tough one and I commend Cheryl for
staying informed and working closely with her vet to manage the situation.

-Alison in OH

PawsForThought wrote:

Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV, the
cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right?

Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology,
said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the article
I read by him. It was very interesting.

No, that's FIV. To get FeLV the positive and negative cats can simply
share close quarters, slobbering on each other and each other's food and
the like.

And the FeLV vaccine has an unusual mechanism and long-term protection
hasn't been shown definitively like it has for the components of FVRCP.
In fact, short-term protection hasn't really been shown as the vaccine
is rather ineffective.

I'm sure Cheryl and her vet have this publication but for general
consumption, here's a page with the AAFP's wonderful breakdown on how to
manage the feline retroviruses, FIV and FeLV:

http://aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm

I think it's rather conservative, and if I had a positive and a negative
cat I'd probably just house them separately so they didn't have too much
bodily fluid transfer and call it good. But that's a big IF -- keeping a
positive and a negative cat is a tough one and I commend Cheryl for
staying informed and working closely with her vet to manage the situation.

-Alison in OH

olitter (PawsForThought) dumped this in
on 14 Apr 2004:

I found the article I was talking about in my last post:

http://critterfixer.com/pages/petcar...n_immunity.asp

and here's a couple mo

http://www.holistichorsekeeping.com/...ines10-03.html

http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413.html

Thanks Lauren. I'll have a look when I have a little more time. To your
question from the other post, Shadow doesn't go outside except for the
backyard enclosure, but I haven't opened it up this season yet. Soon, and
they are waiting!

--
Cheryl

olitter (PawsForThought) dumped this in
on 14 Apr 2004:

I found the article I was talking about in my last post:

http://critterfixer.com/pages/petcar...n_immunity.asp

and here's a couple mo

http://www.holistichorsekeeping.com/...ines10-03.html

http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413.html

Thanks Lauren. I'll have a look when I have a little more time. To your
question from the other post, Shadow doesn't go outside except for the
backyard enclosure, but I haven't opened it up this season yet. Soon, and
they are waiting!

--
Cheryl

From: Alison in OH lid

PawsForThought wrote:

Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV,
the
cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right?

Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology,
said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the
article
I read by him. It was very interesting.

No, that's FIV. To get FeLV the positive and negative cats can simply
share close quarters, slobbering on each other and each other's food and
the like.

And the FeLV vaccine has an unusual mechanism and long-term protection
hasn't been shown definitively like it has for the components of FVRCP.
In fact, short-term protection hasn't really been shown as the vaccine
is rather ineffective.

I'm sure Cheryl and her vet have this publication but for general
consumption, here's a page with the AAFP's wonderful breakdown on how to
manage the feline retroviruses, FIV and FeLV:

http://aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm

I think it's rather conservative, and if I had a positive and a negative
cat I'd probably just house them separately so they didn't have too much
bodily fluid transfer and call it good. But that's a big IF -- keeping a
positive and a negative cat is a tough one and I commend Cheryl for
staying informed and working closely with her vet to manage the situation.

-Alison in OH

Thanks for the info and the link, Alison. I'll check it out definitely.

Lauren
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From: Alison in OH lid

PawsForThought wrote:

Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV,
the
cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right?

Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology,
said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the
article
I read by him. It was very interesting.

No, that's FIV. To get FeLV the positive and negative cats can simply
share close quarters, slobbering on each other and each other's food and
the like.

And the FeLV vaccine has an unusual mechanism and long-term protection
hasn't been shown definitively like it has for the components of FVRCP.
In fact, short-term protection hasn't really been shown as the vaccine
is rather ineffective.

I'm sure Cheryl and her vet have this publication but for general
consumption, here's a page with the AAFP's wonderful breakdown on how to
manage the feline retroviruses, FIV and FeLV:

http://aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm

I think it's rather conservative, and if I had a positive and a negative
cat I'd probably just house them separately so they didn't have too much
bodily fluid transfer and call it good. But that's a big IF -- keeping a
positive and a negative cat is a tough one and I commend Cheryl for
staying informed and working closely with her vet to manage the situation.

-Alison in OH

Thanks for the info and the link, Alison. I'll check it out definitely.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm