declawing

"Gary" wrote in message ...
"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

I think you're cruel.

Now who's name calling, two-faced hypocrite?!?

From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef, de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Mike

"Gary" wrote in message ...
"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

I think you're cruel.

Now who's name calling, two-faced hypocrite?!?

From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef, de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Mike

From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef,
de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Excuse the poor English but its getting late

Mike

From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef,
de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Excuse the poor English but its getting late

Mike

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
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bewtifulfreak wrote in

There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to
whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that
does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an
opinion.

As I said, there is anecdotal evidence and professional information
indicating that it's not just opinion that declawing can and often does harm
cats: it's fact. That's not hystrionic and overzelous, that's just plain
fact. I support you in living your life in whatever way you see fit that
doesn't harm another being: I don't care about your religious preference,
your sexual preference, what you wear, what you eat, if you smoke (as long
as you do so considerately), or anything else. I don't care if you belive
in God or whether the moon is made of green cheese. *That's* all a matter
of opinion and personal preference, or, in the case of believing the moon is
made of green cheese, harmless ignorance. Causing injury to another being -
particularly for your own convenience, but for any reason whatsoever - is
certainly *not* harmless, and thus, not merely a matter of personal
preference, unless you are the type of person who believes that someone
should be allowed to exercise their preference for things such as wife
beating.


How many industrialized nations are there in the world
anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing.

Twenty different nations agreeing on the same thing seems like far more than
"opinion" to me, and certainly argues against it being a matter of regional
and cultural preference, unless we are to believe all twenty of those
nations have the same regional and cultural bias, which seems highly
unlikely. The only two countries that haven't banned it are much more
likely to share a cultural and regional bias, that most likely being the
bias of putting the love of money above all else.


Half of them admit
there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar
to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what
you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want murder to happen either, but it
does. But does that mean we should make it legal? I'm not comparing
declawing to murder, but the fact that something happens illegally doesn't
justify making it legal. And for someone who encourages people to discuss
things rationally in order to make their opinions more accesible, accusing
me of wanting cats to suffer and calling me cruel because I'm against
declawing is not only irrational, but hypocritical as well.

Ann

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For more information on the anti-declawing issue I would recommend The
Declawing Information Site:

http://stopdeclaw.com

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
bewtifulfreak wrote in

There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to
whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that
does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an
opinion.

As I said, there is anecdotal evidence and professional information
indicating that it's not just opinion that declawing can and often does harm
cats: it's fact. That's not hystrionic and overzelous, that's just plain
fact. I support you in living your life in whatever way you see fit that
doesn't harm another being: I don't care about your religious preference,
your sexual preference, what you wear, what you eat, if you smoke (as long
as you do so considerately), or anything else. I don't care if you belive
in God or whether the moon is made of green cheese. *That's* all a matter
of opinion and personal preference, or, in the case of believing the moon is
made of green cheese, harmless ignorance. Causing injury to another being -
particularly for your own convenience, but for any reason whatsoever - is
certainly *not* harmless, and thus, not merely a matter of personal
preference, unless you are the type of person who believes that someone
should be allowed to exercise their preference for things such as wife
beating.


How many industrialized nations are there in the world
anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing.

Twenty different nations agreeing on the same thing seems like far more than
"opinion" to me, and certainly argues against it being a matter of regional
and cultural preference, unless we are to believe all twenty of those
nations have the same regional and cultural bias, which seems highly
unlikely. The only two countries that haven't banned it are much more
likely to share a cultural and regional bias, that most likely being the
bias of putting the love of money above all else.


Half of them admit
there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar
to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what
you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want murder to happen either, but it
does. But does that mean we should make it legal? I'm not comparing
declawing to murder, but the fact that something happens illegally doesn't
justify making it legal. And for someone who encourages people to discuss
things rationally in order to make their opinions more accesible, accusing
me of wanting cats to suffer and calling me cruel because I'm against
declawing is not only irrational, but hypocritical as well.

Ann

--

For more information on the anti-declawing issue I would recommend The
Declawing Information Site:

http://stopdeclaw.com

(D. Stephen Heersink) wrote in
:

I've always declawed my cats because they are always indoors and if I
don't, they will claw the furniture and me. Since I have expensive
furniture and don't want scars on me, I've found the declawing a cat
is the best way to accomplish our mutual goals.

You appear to think forums such as this are only read by people in N
America. That is not the case and everywhere else declawing is considered
barbaric. Get a clue. Scars on you; what a wuss. Furniture is more
important? Get a fish. ****head.

--
Cheryl

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
-Mario Andretti.

(D. Stephen Heersink) wrote in
:

I've always declawed my cats because they are always indoors and if I
don't, they will claw the furniture and me. Since I have expensive
furniture and don't want scars on me, I've found the declawing a cat
is the best way to accomplish our mutual goals.

You appear to think forums such as this are only read by people in N
America. That is not the case and everywhere else declawing is considered
barbaric. Get a clue. Scars on you; what a wuss. Furniture is more
important? Get a fish. ****head.

--
Cheryl

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
-Mario Andretti.

"BrandyÂ*Alexandre" Â* wrote in
:

I'm not an extremist, but the fact is, most countries have banned
declawing for a reason, and many vets have expressed their
professional opinion that declawing is harmful to a cat, that it
can cause a lot of pain, and often psychological and/or behavior
problems. I don't see why they would do this if it was just a
matter of personal preference. Considering how rarely governments
consider animal rights, the fact that so many have considered
declawing harmful enough to ban it sends a very strong message,
and there are certainly a number of fact-laden articles all over
the 'Net (many by vets) supporting that viewpoint. There is also
a great deal of anecdotal evidence regarding the aforementioned
psychological and behavior problems, much of it from shelters
dealing with the fallout of this proceedure.

That is the reason it's very difficult for most people here not to
get angry, extreme or resort to name calling when they hear of
people trying to justify the proceedure; it is unneccessary, and
there is a lot of evidence which supports the idea that it can
cause a cat a lot of misery. And as this group is full of animal
lovers, it angers them to hear people trying to justify an
unecessary procedure that makes innocent animals suffer....that's
only natural.

Ann



Some European countries banned the use of nickel in their coins.

Did you just compare cats with nickels? Uh huh. This speaks volumns about
you.

--
Cheryl

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
-Mario Andretti.

"BrandyÂ*Alexandre" Â* wrote in
:

I'm not an extremist, but the fact is, most countries have banned
declawing for a reason, and many vets have expressed their
professional opinion that declawing is harmful to a cat, that it
can cause a lot of pain, and often psychological and/or behavior
problems. I don't see why they would do this if it was just a
matter of personal preference. Considering how rarely governments
consider animal rights, the fact that so many have considered
declawing harmful enough to ban it sends a very strong message,
and there are certainly a number of fact-laden articles all over
the 'Net (many by vets) supporting that viewpoint. There is also
a great deal of anecdotal evidence regarding the aforementioned
psychological and behavior problems, much of it from shelters
dealing with the fallout of this proceedure.

That is the reason it's very difficult for most people here not to
get angry, extreme or resort to name calling when they hear of
people trying to justify the proceedure; it is unneccessary, and
there is a lot of evidence which supports the idea that it can
cause a cat a lot of misery. And as this group is full of animal
lovers, it angers them to hear people trying to justify an
unecessary procedure that makes innocent animals suffer....that's
only natural.

Ann



Some European countries banned the use of nickel in their coins.

Did you just compare cats with nickels? Uh huh. This speaks volumns about
you.

--
Cheryl

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
-Mario Andretti.