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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
"bookie" wrote in message
ups.com... anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture My family has actually never declawed our cats. Never seen the point...claw marks on old furniture just give it more character...can tease people by saying something like "Oh yeah that was from lion cub when my grandparents bought this (insert furniture piece name here) on an African safari". That and I feel a cat should be able to defend itself if need be. I like furniture that looks used(not like falling apart, but comfortable, like it's seen generations use it, and it's still going strong) anyways. We just simply buy(or make) a scratching post because it's natural for them to work their claws by scratching. They're not doing it as a personal gesture of contempt. Well Joxer never has. Little freak instead when he gets upset with me, he'll just wait and simply leave a 'present' for me in my bed...while I'm sleeping. Though he's only done that once, after I got home from a 'vacation'(my mother took care of him in my absence), and he felt horribly put out about it. And he is not aggressive at all. Well except when he's in hunt mode when there's mice or chipmunks around. Generally speaking, his goal in life is to have his head scratched and his tummy rubbed and his food/water dish full at all times, and some catnip every once in a while. Oh and some rubber bands to play with(he loves them for some reason). But yeah, the US does have quite a few problems when it comes to the medical care system(for animals as well as people). |
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On 31 May, 07:43, "Lilah Morgan" wrote:
"bookie" wrote in message ups.com... anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture My family has actually never declawed our cats. Never seen the point...claw marks on old furniture just give it more character...can tease people by saying something like "Oh yeah that was from lion cub when my grandparents bought this (insert furniture piece name here) on an African safari". That and I feel a cat should be able to defend itself if need be. I like furniture that looks used(not like falling apart, but comfortable, like it's seen generations use it, and it's still going strong) anyways. We just simply buy(or make) a scratching post because it's natural for them to work their claws by scratching. They're not doing it as a personal gesture of contempt. Well Joxer never has. Little freak instead when he gets upset with me, he'll just wait and simply leave a 'present' for me in my bed...while I'm sleeping. Though he's only done that once, after I got home from a 'vacation'(my mother took care of him in my absence), and he felt horribly put out about it. And he is not aggressive at all. Well except when he's in hunt mode when there's mice or chipmunks around. Generally speaking, his goal in life is to have his head scratched and his tummy rubbed and his food/water dish full at all times, and some catnip every once in a while. Oh and some rubber bands to play with(he loves them for some reason). But yeah, the US does have quite a few problems when it comes to the medical care system(for animals as well as people). no I didn't mean YOU personally (did i not put that?) i meant the US of A generally, just different attitudes to money and life people really complain about the nhs in this country but they don;t know how lucky they are really |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On 31 May, 09:11, Charlie Wilkes
wrote: In article , says... "Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message news On Mon, 28 May 2007 03:17:13 -0400, cybercat wrote: Take responsibility for your actions. Your cat fell out of the window, and you allowed her to go without veterinary treatment for 48 hours. Any complaints you have with your vet, if indeed you ever took the cat to a vet, are a separate issue. I think you're being too hard on her. If what she posted is accurate, she may have erred in her judgment, but not because she lacks concern or commitment. My dog got killed because of my poor judgment, so I'm sensitive to the distinction. Charlie, if your dog were hurt you would have taken him for treatment. If he fell out the blinking window and had blood coming out of his nose, are you telling me you would not take him to a vet? I will never understand these sorry assholes who post that they have an injured or sick cat, and have not taken the animal to the vet. If it were a child, they would find a way. Or maybe they wouldn't. Poor cats. It wasn't a question of "finding a way." She took the animal to a vet on Sunday, which is no easier or cheaper than doing so on Saturday. She didn't mention the cost as being a problem. She merely showed poor judgment, and she admitted as much in her first post. Here is what she wrote: "I feel so guilty! I should have made sure the close the window properly and brought her to the vet IMMEDIATELY after it happened." I don't see the point of attacking someone who acknowledges a mistake. Also, she didn't hold off on the vet for 48 hours... it was less than 24 hours. Charlie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very true..... S;o) |
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On 31 May, 02:14, bookie wrote:
On 31 May, 00:14, sheelagh wrote: On 31 May, 00:06, sheelagh wrote: On 30 May, 21:52, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: "sheelagh" wrote in message oups.com... Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. I know the UK is more considerate when it comes to animals than the US is. A friend of mine in Liverpool adopted a kitten last year, and here in the States, at animal shelters you basically just pay like $50 and you get to take the animal home. But she told me that there it's much more involved. You get a home visit, your financial/employment status gets checked, etc, all to make sure the animal you want to adopt is going to be in a home where they are not only loved, but if any medical issues should arise, that the owners will be able to cover the bills. I wish they took that much care when animals get adopted here. Used to watch a show about ASPCA(American Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) officers investigating complaints of animal cruelty, and I couldn't stomach it for too long. It wasn't so much the ones about people getting more animals than they could decently provide for, it was more all the incidents of people raising dogs for fighting(I personally feel that the people who raised dogs to be nothing but killing machines should be locked in a room with those dogs for a while), and the ones where the people did have the means to provide for the animals, they just didn't care. And back to vet bills and cats...the 24hour vet place I took Joxer to when he finally came home, I believe I paid $200 up front, and they didn't fix him up there, they just gave him some anti-shock stuff and cleaned the wound a bit...they seemed rather annoyed that when they said I could take him home and get him fixed up later, I wasn't sure if that was a good idea. I mean his wound was BAD(I believe he nearly got cut to the bone), and just because he was still functioning, I really didn't take that as a sign of health. He had this thigh slashed open after all, and it was still open. But they insisted he was ok, so I took him home, and the next morning I took him to the clinic my friend worked at. And decided not to go the 24hour place again if I could help it. That was the only medical emergency I've ever had with a pet luckily. But we've usually paid upfront anyways, though granted it was for routine stuff, a checkup, rabies shots, or getting them fixed, etc, where it was a fixed cost to begin with. OMG, I hope that I didn't sound like I was saying the USA doesn't!!? We just have a different system. Your right about getting vetted for a cat or kitten if you want one from any of the charities or catteries. I would never place a cat that I didn't think "felt right"...It has to be someone that can afford it, will put the cat first every time, & if they can't, the first person they would call, would be me. If none of these things fit, even right down to the home...the cat never leave. but If I am happy, then we allow the cat to be homed, especially if they have chemistry. That is quite important too. I think you might find it interesting for you see what we have to offer people can access if there is a dire need. (ie: someone who doesn't expect to loose his job, might well be a slave to a pair of cat's, who might become ill for instance, then they can help you out there) The link will help. To cost things, double the cost to appreciate the $ & judge for yourself..... http://www.pdsa.org.uk/aboutpdsa.html This is one of the best providers of help in our country, & the other carer & provider of assistance is the RSPCA. They same as your society but totally funded by donation's. Our government does nothing to fund them at all as far as I am aware. S;o)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This might be a more relevant page for you without having to look to see what they offer in the way of help, to whom & why..... http://www.pdsa.org.uk/eligibility.html S;o)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - to be honest i just think that us inthe UK tend to be a bit more caring towards our animals as a country, as a whole, (not talking about individuals here ok??!!!) and so are more willing to help out animals for no reason than the fact that we are all animal mad here , pretty much, few exceptions of course (remember that weird guy who was shooting at animals and cats and birds, was not english, he was czech or something). if someone took a sick cat to the vet and the vet refused to do anything then letters woudl be written, the vet would be 'outed' in the press, people would moan about how outrageous it is that we are letting down our pets, what happened to the dunkirk spirit, stiff upper lips, simply not cricket, that it's not what a true englishman gentleman does ie lets down his faithful friend in the hour of need, etc etc, and any vet like that would be shamed into helping the animal regardless of the cost to them and their business. I knwo a couple of vets and they don;t run their practices to make money at all, they just about cover costs and that's it and none go into it to make money, in fact they kind of assume that they may lose some money and they won't be making huge profits out of it. if you take an injured stray cat to the vets in this country you EXPECT the vet to help the cat without question, money issues can wait (anyway we dontl talk about money over here, simply not done , very rude in fact), there is a life at stake, and anyone who refused to help purely on the grounds of lack of payment for their services woudl be very much in the minority and looked down upon. what am i trying to say here? basically peolpe in this country are not out ot make money, certainly anyone connected with helping animals, vets vet nurses, people who help out animal charities dont; do it for the moeny and accept that alot of their own money will go towards helping animals. We just don;t have the 'money-grabbing' culture that you seem to have in the US, remember that inthis country you can be of a certain class (middle class, upper class, whichever) with relatively little money at your disposal, it all about lineage and education and how you were brought up etc etc, not always to do with cold hard cash and the acquiring of it. Class inthis country is also to do with behaviour, and one of the types of behaviour which is encouraged is being charitable and helping those less fortunate than oruselves, ie animals, regardless of the personal cost to ourselves. Which is why vets here don't demand to see a credit card before they look at your pet, that kind of thing would be unthinkable and any vet doing that would quickly go out of business, very vulgar way to go on indeed. anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me bookie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - if you take an injured stray cat to the vets in this country you EXPECT the vet to help the cat without question, money issues can wait (anyway we dontl talk about money over here, simply not done , very rude in fact), there is a life at stake, and anyone who refused to help purely on the grounds of lack of payment for their services woudl be very much in the minority and looked down upon. We tend to go to the press when we weed out a vet who puts his pension fund before his clients. It has the most amazing knack of emptying their surgery's & filling others who are slightly more compassionate. It's simply incorrect to think that way, if you want our money to fund it S;o) Very well put though Bookie! |
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On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote:
snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis |
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On May 31, 8:37 am, bookie wrote:
On 31 May, 07:43, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: "bookie" wrote in message oups.com... anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture My family has actually never declawed our cats. Never seen the point...claw marks on old furniture just give it more character...can tease people by saying something like "Oh yeah that was from lion cub when my grandparents bought this (insert furniture piece name here) on an African safari". That and I feel a cat should be able to defend itself if need be. I like furniture that looks used(not like falling apart, but comfortable, like it's seen generations use it, and it's still going strong) anyways. We just simply buy(or make) a scratching post because it's natural for them to work their claws by scratching. They're not doing it as a personal gesture of contempt. Well Joxer never has. Little freak instead when he gets upset with me, he'll just wait and simply leave a 'present' for me in my bed...while I'm sleeping. Though he's only done that once, after I got home from a 'vacation'(my mother took care of him in my absence), and he felt horribly put out about it. And he is not aggressive at all. Well except when he's in hunt mode when there's mice or chipmunks around. Generally speaking, his goal in life is to have his head scratched and his tummy rubbed and his food/water dish full at all times, and some catnip every once in a while. Oh and some rubber bands to play with(he loves them for some reason). But yeah, the US does have quite a few problems when it comes to the medical care system(for animals as well as people). no I didn't mean YOU personally (did i not put that?) i meant the US of A generally, just different attitudes to money and life people really complain about the nhs in this country but they don;t know how lucky they are really- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Um, well, on that last point, I agree with you. People here blather about how AWFUL it would be if we had something like the NHS, but in your country, people don't go bankrupt because of medical costs--and the waits for treatment with your gov. bureaucracy do not seem to be noticeably longer than with our for-profit bureaucracy. Lis |
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"Lis" wrote in message ups.com... On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. One of the reasons I have bookie killfiled. |
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"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message news On Mon, 28 May 2007 03:17:13 -0400, cybercat wrote: Take responsibility for your actions. Your cat fell out of the window, and you allowed her to go without veterinary treatment for 48 hours. Any complaints you have with your vet, if indeed you ever took the cat to a vet, are a separate issue. I think you're being too hard on her. If what she posted is accurate, she may have erred in her judgment, but not because she lacks concern or commitment. My dog got killed because of my poor judgment, so I'm sensitive to the distinction. Charlie, if your dog were hurt you would have taken him for treatment. If he fell out the blinking window and had blood coming out of his nose, are you telling me you would not take him to a vet? I will never understand these sorry assholes who post that they have an injured or sick cat, and have not taken the animal to the vet. If it were a child, they would find a way. Or maybe they wouldn't. Poor cats. It wasn't a question of "finding a way." She took the animal to a vet on Sunday, which is no easier or cheaper than doing so on Saturday. She didn't mention the cost as being a problem. She merely showed poor judgment, and she admitted as much in her first post. Here is what she wrote: "I feel so guilty! I should have made sure the close the window properly and brought her to the vet IMMEDIATELY after it happened." I don't see the point of attacking someone who acknowledges a mistake. Also, she didn't hold off on the vet for 48 hours... it was less than 24 hours. You're a much kinder, gentler human being than I am, Charlie. Good for you. Well, actually I can be a real asshole sometimes. Ask Melinda Shore, with whom you skirmished a couple of weeks ago. I used to call her "strap-on" in reference to her lesbianism. That is pretty neanderthal, right? But Melinda is an old warhorse, posting from panix.com since the 1980s. Some of these google people don't have a clue as to what they're getting themselves into, and I think it's good sportsmanship to give them the benefit of the doubt. Charlie |
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