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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On Jun 1, 2:03 pm, bookie wrote:
On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was simply mirroring for you what you do concerning my country pretty regularly, in the vain hope that you might recognize yourself and rethink your sweeping defamations of an entire country. Waste of pixels, obviously. Lis |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On Jun 1, 9:12 pm, sheelagh wrote:
On 1 Jun, 19:03, bookie wrote: On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is all going a little bit toooo Far. If you think I like the sound of my own voice-then you do. Who gives a monkeys? If the comment was intended to slight me, then it failed. I don't feel the need to do the same to you right now...... Um, Sheelagh, no, my qualification in that statement was intended specifically to make clear that I _wasn't_ including you; that I was throwing Bookie repeated insults and defamations of my country back at _her_, and not at every person who happens to be British, and especially not at you--who doesn't engage in this sort of generalized, taken-for-granted-as-fact defamation of my country. Just for the record, I could do with a new 3 piece because the cats have ravaged it in the side and on the arm too. I would love to say that was the cats wouldn't damage it, but it is not true. They have also scratched the hell out of my coffee table legs as well, but so what, I can replace them, where I can't replace them. To me, if you declaw your cat, it is cruel. I couldn't consider doing it, & that is the end of the matter. I don't care if they are chinese, Canadian or Brits, it is wrong-end of. Bookie may have confused the issue by now, but no, my cats are not declawed. And no, I do not approve of declawing. And despite some confusion that apparently exists on the subject in the UK, declawing, while legal in most of the US, is also widely disapproved of, strongly discouraged by humane societies, breeders, and veterinarians. And, in fifty years of life, I've personally known only two people who have ever had cats declawed--one cat each, and in those cases, it wasn't to protect the furniture. I didn't agree with the decision in either case, but it wasn't furniture they were trying to protect. OTOH, I do actively discourage it where possible, & I get quite peeved when they climb on the top in the kitchen;only one particular top, but It's a no no here. My plate & their feet don't mix...marlbes & jars work well here..... I don't think for one moment Bookie"intended" to slight anyone here, sometimes things just come across the wrong way, & I can see where it did here. Lis, I "know" she certainly didn't intend to provoke you.(or anyone else). It is out of hand, & we should know better than to attack one another in here. Sheelagh, I'm sorry, but I have to judge Bookie by what she actually says--especially when she does it over and over again. I'm sure she didn't intend to "provoke" anyone; I think she takes it for grranted that her amazingly insulting views of Americans are uncontroversial fact, and is always surprised (but not daunted in her certainty) when she's challenged on it or any of her "facts" are disputed. There are far more important things we could be talking about without giving in to what is clearly exactly what the trolls want. We are creating 7th heaven. how about we stop what we are doing & take a long hard think about what "could" happen here. I'm done with name calling. I'd much rather hear Matthews house Rules over again.. they were hilarious & I hope he shares them with us all. They were ever so good, but more to the point, so true, that you had to laugh when you got through them;o) If Matthew will post them, I'll be happy to read them and laugh. I think we can do better than this...don't you? Hey, a lot of the time we do. But do you think you might consider directing some of this lecture to _Bookie_, and assigning some of the responsibility to her habitual demeaning and insulting of another country? Lis |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On 2 Jun, 04:27, Lis wrote:
On Jun 1, 9:12 pm, sheelagh wrote: On 1 Jun, 19:03, bookie wrote: On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is all going a little bit toooo Far. If you think I like the sound of my own voice-then you do. Who gives a monkeys? If the comment was intended to slight me, then it failed. I don't feel the need to do the same to you right now...... Um, Sheelagh, no, my qualification in that statement was intended specifically to make clear that I _wasn't_ including you; that I was throwing Bookie repeated insults and defamations of my country back at _her_, and not at every person who happens to be British, and especially not at you--who doesn't engage in this sort of generalized, taken-for-granted-as-fact defamation of my country. Just for the record, I could do with a new 3 piece because the cats have ravaged it in the side and on the arm too. I would love to say that was the cats wouldn't damage it, but it is not true. They have also scratched the hell out of my coffee table legs as well, but so what, I can replace them, where I can't replace them. To me, if you declaw your cat, it is cruel. I couldn't consider doing it, & that is the end of the matter. I don't care if they are chinese, Canadian or Brits, it is wrong-end of. Bookie may have confused the issue by now, but no, my cats are not declawed. And no, I do not approve of declawing. And despite some confusion that apparently exists on the subject in the UK, declawing, while legal in most of the US, is also widely disapproved of, strongly discouraged by humane societies, breeders, and veterinarians. And, in fifty years of life, I've personally known only two people who have ever had cats declawed--one cat each, and in those cases, it wasn't to protect the furniture. I didn't agree with the decision in either case, but it wasn't furniture they were trying to protect. OTOH, I do actively discourage it where possible, & I get quite peeved when they climb on the top in the kitchen;only one particular top, but It's a no no here. My plate & their feet don't mix...marlbes & jars work well here..... I don't think for one moment Bookie"intended" to slight anyone here, sometimes things just come across the wrong way, & I can see where it did here. Lis, I "know" she certainly didn't intend to provoke you.(or anyone else). It is out of hand, & we should know better than to attack one another in here. Sheelagh, I'm sorry, but I have to judge Bookie by what she actually says--especially when she does it over and over again. I'm sure she didn't intend to "provoke" anyone; I think she takes it for grranted that her amazingly insulting views of Americans are uncontroversial fact, and is always surprised (but not daunted in her certainty) when she's challenged on it or any of her "facts" are disputed. There are far more important things we could be talking about without giving in to what is clearly exactly what the trolls want. We are creating 7th heaven. how about we stop what we are doing & take a long hard think about what "could" happen here. I'm done with name calling. I'd much rather hear Matthews house Rules over again.. they were hilarious & I hope he shares them with us all. They were ever so good, but more to the point, so true, that you had to laugh when you got through them;o) If Matthew will post them, I'll be happy to read them and laugh. I think we can do better than this...don't you? Hey, a lot of the time we do. But do you think you might consider directing some of this lecture to _Bookie_, and assigning some of the responsibility to her habitual demeaning and insulting of another country? Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - sooooooooooooo sorry you americans take yourselves so bloody seriously, were you not aware that pretty much the rest of the world think you as a nation are a bunch of inbred, ignorant warmongerers? were you not aware of how much the rest of the world laughs at you all and think you're all morons? ignorance is bliss isn't it? at least we brits can laugh at ourselves when required, we can take a bit of a dig at the way we live and admit that some aspects of our society as far from perfect, can't say teh same about you yanks. anyway, no law against hating americans and considering them to be not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on? what do you expect when you reply to people in the tones you have been above dear oh dear oh dear |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On 2 Jun, 04:07, Lis wrote:
On Jun 1, 2:03 pm, bookie wrote: On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I was simply mirroring for you what you do concerning my country pretty regularly, in the vain hope that you might recognize yourself and rethink your sweeping defamations of an entire country. Waste of pixels, obviously. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and it amuses me that you actually care what i think or say about your poxy country, that i have actually managed to wind you up to this point, that you cannot just shrug it off and go 'whatever'! like i really what you think about blighty anyway, you opinion is not really worth worrying about since you are only an american and therefore not important inthe grand scheme of things (do you even know where my country is? could you point to it on a map? do you know what a map is? probably not) |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
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oups.com... is it correct that you have the right to have any case heard in a court of law inthe US? regardless of how outlandish it actually is? something in your constitution or something, not sure about the veracity of that statement. There is supposed to be a law or something preventing frivolous lawsuits, but apparently it doesn't get used too much. If you go by the strict letter of the law, even the most stupidest lawsuits have merit. Which is why there are human judges. To publicly shame stupid people for not even realizing how stupid they are! But then again, the judge just might want A: to get publicity by allowing such a stupid case to go forward, knowing there will be lots of press, or B: have a personal issue with whoever's being sued, or C: be stupid themselves. |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
"bookie" wrote in message ups.com... On 2 Jun, 04:27, Lis wrote: On Jun 1, 9:12 pm, sheelagh wrote: On 1 Jun, 19:03, bookie wrote: On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is all going a little bit toooo Far. If you think I like the sound of my own voice-then you do. Who gives a monkeys? If the comment was intended to slight me, then it failed. I don't feel the need to do the same to you right now...... Um, Sheelagh, no, my qualification in that statement was intended specifically to make clear that I _wasn't_ including you; that I was throwing Bookie repeated insults and defamations of my country back at _her_, and not at every person who happens to be British, and especially not at you--who doesn't engage in this sort of generalized, taken-for-granted-as-fact defamation of my country. Just for the record, I could do with a new 3 piece because the cats have ravaged it in the side and on the arm too. I would love to say that was the cats wouldn't damage it, but it is not true. They have also scratched the hell out of my coffee table legs as well, but so what, I can replace them, where I can't replace them. To me, if you declaw your cat, it is cruel. I couldn't consider doing it, & that is the end of the matter. I don't care if they are chinese, Canadian or Brits, it is wrong-end of. Bookie may have confused the issue by now, but no, my cats are not declawed. And no, I do not approve of declawing. And despite some confusion that apparently exists on the subject in the UK, declawing, while legal in most of the US, is also widely disapproved of, strongly discouraged by humane societies, breeders, and veterinarians. And, in fifty years of life, I've personally known only two people who have ever had cats declawed--one cat each, and in those cases, it wasn't to protect the furniture. I didn't agree with the decision in either case, but it wasn't furniture they were trying to protect. OTOH, I do actively discourage it where possible, & I get quite peeved when they climb on the top in the kitchen;only one particular top, but It's a no no here. My plate & their feet don't mix...marlbes & jars work well here..... I don't think for one moment Bookie"intended" to slight anyone here, sometimes things just come across the wrong way, & I can see where it did here. Lis, I "know" she certainly didn't intend to provoke you.(or anyone else). It is out of hand, & we should know better than to attack one another in here. Sheelagh, I'm sorry, but I have to judge Bookie by what she actually says--especially when she does it over and over again. I'm sure she didn't intend to "provoke" anyone; I think she takes it for grranted that her amazingly insulting views of Americans are uncontroversial fact, and is always surprised (but not daunted in her certainty) when she's challenged on it or any of her "facts" are disputed. There are far more important things we could be talking about without giving in to what is clearly exactly what the trolls want. We are creating 7th heaven. how about we stop what we are doing & take a long hard think about what "could" happen here. I'm done with name calling. I'd much rather hear Matthews house Rules over again.. they were hilarious & I hope he shares them with us all. They were ever so good, but more to the point, so true, that you had to laugh when you got through them;o) If Matthew will post them, I'll be happy to read them and laugh. I think we can do better than this...don't you? Hey, a lot of the time we do. But do you think you might consider directing some of this lecture to _Bookie_, and assigning some of the responsibility to her habitual demeaning and insulting of another country? Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - sooooooooooooo sorry you americans take yourselves so bloody seriously, were you not aware that pretty much the rest of the world think you as a nation are a bunch of inbred, ignorant warmongerers? were you not aware of how much the rest of the world laughs at you all and think you're all morons? ignorance is bliss isn't it? at least we brits can laugh at ourselves when required, we can take a bit of a dig at the way we live and admit that some aspects of our society as far from perfect, can't say teh same about you yanks. anyway, no law against hating americans and considering them to be not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on? what do you expect when you reply to people in the tones you have been above dear oh dear oh dear Thanks Bookie I am an American even more than that I am part Native American |
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On 3 Jun, 00:44, "Matthew" wrote:
"bookie" wrote in message ups.com... On 2 Jun, 04:27, Lis wrote: On Jun 1, 9:12 pm, sheelagh wrote: On 1 Jun, 19:03, bookie wrote: On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote: snip anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase contracts. I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are. As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lis i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all. so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat declawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their minds and so wreck my furniture. considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally is not true (but why let that small detail stop you) sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is all going a little bit toooo Far. If you think I like the sound of my own voice-then you do. Who gives a monkeys? If the comment was intended to slight me, then it failed. I don't feel the need to do the same to you right now...... Um, Sheelagh, no, my qualification in that statement was intended specifically to make clear that I _wasn't_ including you; that I was throwing Bookie repeated insults and defamations of my country back at _her_, and not at every person who happens to be British, and especially not at you--who doesn't engage in this sort of generalized, taken-for-granted-as-fact defamation of my country. Just for the record, I could do with a new 3 piece because the cats have ravaged it in the side and on the arm too. I would love to say that was the cats wouldn't damage it, but it is not true. They have also scratched the hell out of my coffee table legs as well, but so what, I can replace them, where I can't replace them. To me, if you declaw your cat, it is cruel. I couldn't consider doing it, & that is the end of the matter. I don't care if they are chinese, Canadian or Brits, it is wrong-end of. Bookie may have confused the issue by now, but no, my cats are not declawed. And no, I do not approve of declawing. And despite some confusion that apparently exists on the subject in the UK, declawing, while legal in most of the US, is also widely disapproved of, strongly discouraged by humane societies, breeders, and veterinarians. And, in fifty years of life, I've personally known only two people who have ever had cats declawed--one cat each, and in those cases, it wasn't to protect the furniture. I didn't agree with the decision in either case, but it wasn't furniture they were trying to protect. OTOH, I do actively discourage it where possible, & I get quite peeved when they climb on the top in the kitchen;only one particular top, but It's a no no here. My plate & their feet don't mix...marlbes & jars work well here..... I don't think for one moment Bookie"intended" to slight anyone here, sometimes things just come across the wrong way, & I can see where it did here. Lis, I "know" she certainly didn't intend to provoke you.(or anyone else). It is out of hand, & we should know better than to attack one another in here. Sheelagh, I'm sorry, but I have to judge Bookie by what she actually says--especially when she does it over and over again. I'm sure she didn't intend to "provoke" anyone; I think she takes it for grranted that her amazingly insulting views of Americans are uncontroversial fact, and is always surprised (but not daunted in her certainty) when she's challenged on it or any of her "facts" are disputed. There are far more important things we could be talking about without giving in to what is clearly exactly what the trolls want. We are creating 7th heaven. how about we stop what we are doing & take a long hard think about what "could" happen here. I'm done with name calling. I'd much rather hear Matthews house Rules over again.. they were hilarious & I hope he shares them with us all. They were ever so good, but more to the point, so true, that you had to laugh when you got through them;o) If Matthew will post them, I'll be happy to read them and laugh. I think we can do better than this...don't you? Hey, a lot of the time we do. But do you think you might consider directing some of this lecture to _Bookie_, and assigning some of the responsibility to her habitual demeaning and insulting of another country? Lis- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - sooooooooooooo sorry you americans take yourselves so bloody seriously, were you not aware that pretty much the rest of the world think you as a nation are a bunch of inbred, ignorant warmongerers? were you not aware of how much the rest of the world laughs at you all and think you're all morons? ignorance is bliss isn't it? at least we brits can laugh at ourselves when required, we can take a bit of a dig at the way we live and admit that some aspects of our society as far from perfect, can't say teh same about you yanks. anyway, no law against hating americans and considering them to be not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on? what do you expect when you reply to people in the tones you have been above dear oh dear oh dear Thanks Bookie I am an American even more than that I am part Native American- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text |
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"Lilah Morgan" wrote in message hlink.net... "sheelagh" wrote in message ups.com... Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. I know the UK is more considerate when it comes to animals than the US is. A friend of mine in Liverpool adopted a kitten last year, and here in the States, at animal shelters you basically just pay like $50 and you get to take the animal home. snip This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL |
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"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
... This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL For the record, I am American citizen. And I have lived in 3 different states where that's how we adopted our pets. Granted it's been well over 10 years since we've adopted a pet from a shelter(all our dogs now have come to us because people we knew wouldn't fix their pets and had litters as a result), so the rules indeed may have changed, but I am speaking from legitimate experience. |
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"Lilah Morgan" wrote in message link.net... "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message ... This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL For the record, I am American citizen. And I have lived in 3 different states where that's how we adopted our pets. Granted it's been well over 10 years since we've adopted a pet from a shelter(all our dogs now have come to us because people we knew wouldn't fix their pets and had litters as a result), so the rules indeed may have changed, but I am speaking from legitimate experience. I wasn't questioning a statement that *some* shelters may follow that policy, and I wasn't concentrating on citizenship (although I assumed that you are a US citizen or at least live here). My concern is that you have taken your experience and seem to assum that *all* shelters operate that way. My experience has been exactly the opposite -- but that does not mean that all shelters are well run, it only means that my experience has not been the same as yours. Moreover, ten years would not make the difference. What makes the difference is that there are many thousands of shelters in the US, and there are many variations among them. MaryL |
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