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#41
July 25th 03, 05:08 AM
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"Yngver" wrote in message ... "MaryL" wrote: some because they think cats from breeders will be healthier (ironically, this is not true), Do you have evidence to support this statement? One problem that can be found among some purebreds comes from genetic defects that result from intensive breeding for specific characteristics. A number of congenital defects are linked to particular breeds of both cats and dogs. For example, some manx cats have developed a peculiar hopping motion; in some cases, the abnormality can be crippling. Persians and himalayans have a high incidence of PKD (polycystic kidney disease), persians often have breathing problems, hip dysplasia is often seen in Maine coons, HCM (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) is linked to some breeds, etc. This certainly does not mean that all purebreds have abnormalities and obviously does not mean that all shelter cats are healthy. I was commenting on the perception that many people have that a purebred will somehow be a healthier cat, when the opposite is sometimes true. As an aside: if people do want the characteristics found in purebreds, I would encourage them to look for these cats in shelters or to contact rescue groups for specific breeds. Cats of many breeds have been abandoned and need to be placed in a good home. MaryL 
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#42
July 25th 03, 07:06 AM
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Arjun Ray wrote:
There is also a difference between overpopulation per se, and overpopulation as a problem. Displacement is the essence of the problem. You have only to think of the childhood game of musical chairs to see the issue involved. And you'd have to ask people everyday what kind of cat they have (it is required at my job) to know that very few people have purebreds so they aren't displacing that many cats in the first place! There are so few that it really is not that much of an issue! Believe it or not most people don't care what breed their cat is (dogs are different). Most people don't even know. Many people get annoyed and say why are you even bothering to ask me that question, it's a cat! Many people have cats that just came to them. Many others from shelters. Some from friends who had litters for various reasons (not breeding, just accidental litters, or ones to teach the kids the joy of life, or people who don't believe in spaying/neutering and let their cats roam). Few have them from actual breeders. And some of the people I ask there's no telling they didn't get it from the shelter (most peopel consider a cat with points a Siamese so will say Siamese if you ask though they didn't get their cat from a breeder). Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.
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#43
July 25th 03, 07:06 AM
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Arjun Ray wrote:
There is also a difference between overpopulation per se, and overpopulation as a problem. Displacement is the essence of the problem. You have only to think of the childhood game of musical chairs to see the issue involved. And you'd have to ask people everyday what kind of cat they have (it is required at my job) to know that very few people have purebreds so they aren't displacing that many cats in the first place! There are so few that it really is not that much of an issue! Believe it or not most people don't care what breed their cat is (dogs are different). Most people don't even know. Many people get annoyed and say why are you even bothering to ask me that question, it's a cat! Many people have cats that just came to them. Many others from shelters. Some from friends who had litters for various reasons (not breeding, just accidental litters, or ones to teach the kids the joy of life, or people who don't believe in spaying/neutering and let their cats roam). Few have them from actual breeders. And some of the people I ask there's no telling they didn't get it from the shelter (most peopel consider a cat with points a Siamese so will say Siamese if you ask though they didn't get their cat from a breeder). Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.
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#44
July 25th 03, 07:30 AM
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Kate wrote:
The reason for overpopulation is because irresponisble pet owners abandond pets, dont spay and neuter them, etc. Breeders -obviously don't spay and neuter. Do you see the connection with what you wrote? Sure you could adopt the Aby and get a shelter cat, but since you are willing to have two cats why not go to a foster based rescue and find a pair that need a home together? The foster can tell you just as much about the temperament of these particular cats as any breeder could about their cats. The bottom line here is that, no matter how you spin it, if you buy a cat from a breeder, you have contributed to the overpopulation problem *and* unnecessary death in one fell swoop. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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#45
July 25th 03, 07:30 AM
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Kate wrote:
The reason for overpopulation is because irresponisble pet owners abandond pets, dont spay and neuter them, etc. Breeders -obviously don't spay and neuter. Do you see the connection with what you wrote? Sure you could adopt the Aby and get a shelter cat, but since you are willing to have two cats why not go to a foster based rescue and find a pair that need a home together? The foster can tell you just as much about the temperament of these particular cats as any breeder could about their cats. The bottom line here is that, no matter how you spin it, if you buy a cat from a breeder, you have contributed to the overpopulation problem *and* unnecessary death in one fell swoop. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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#46
July 25th 03, 08:11 AM
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Alice wrote:
very few people have purebreds so they aren't displacing that many cats in the first place! Oh, I see, so as long as it's not *that many* the displacement and eventual killing of these cats is justified. There are so few that it really is not that much of an issue! It is very much of an issue for those cats that are displaced. Apparently you don't care about them. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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#47
July 25th 03, 08:11 AM
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Alice wrote:
very few people have purebreds so they aren't displacing that many cats in the first place! Oh, I see, so as long as it's not *that many* the displacement and eventual killing of these cats is justified. There are so few that it really is not that much of an issue! It is very much of an issue for those cats that are displaced. Apparently you don't care about them. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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#49
July 25th 03, 02:54 PM
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In article ,
enlightened us with... "kaeli" wrote in message ... In article , enlightened us with... IMO, the reason pet stores and breeders are still so popular is because the no-kill shelters and rescues make it very difficult to get a pet. This is in my experience, so of course, YMMV. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Personally, I doubt that this is the reason. There are too many cats and kittens available free from neighbors, newspaper ads, etc. for this to be the explanation. Those would all qualify as breeders to me. I didn't say purebred and I didn't say responsible breeders. Neighbors and newspaper ads are not shelters. I think some people want purebreds because of appearance, some because they think a particular breed would also guarantee a certain type of personality, some because they think cats from breeders will be healthier (ironically, this is not true), and some because of a snobbish attitude toward what is perceived as "best." I do realize that some very good homes have been rejected by some shelters, but I am dubious about this being a reason why people would turn to purebreds. I didn't say they did. In fact, I didn't say a thing about purebreds. The paper and pet stores carry mixed breed dogs, too. What I said was that the reason people don't adopt from shelters and rescues is that it is easier to get animals from other sources. My apologies if I phrased it badly the first time. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Black holes were created when God divided by 0. Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace -------------------------------------------------
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#50
July 25th 03, 03:30 PM
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wrote in message ... wrote: Oh, I see, so as long as it's not *that many* the displacement and eventual killing of these cats is justified. And maybe you should realize, your efforts should be put itno stuff that has a lot more affect, like people who let their cats roam around unspayed, or want a litter just for cuteness just to turn around and give that litter to the shelter (or dump them at 2 weeks of age). Or the feral cat group. Sure, you can rail on about something that doesn't really affect the probelm that much, and not spend as much effort on stuff that does, or you can spend your effort on stuff that actually matters a whole lot more! Alice Wow, if you really believe this, then it's obvious that you don't know much about the work that Megan does. I suggest you check her web site. MaryL
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