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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote:
"cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying. Charlie |
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Charlie Wilkes writes:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote: "cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying. Can't see how water boarding could that be painful. Prisoner holds his breath, if he inhales, they have a problem. I don't believe they want that. It's scary thats for sure and I'm not a torture advocate. I like to swim as far as I can under water, as you run out of air, panic sets in. In the cat's case, sure the cat is scared. It's going to inhale sooner or later but I don't believe the water in the lungs is all that painful. Yes, I've breathed in water, it hurts but it's not the worst pain I've ever had. It's just water. By the time it inhales it's going to be light headed anyway. Death follows soon after. No I don't want to try it. When you have a cat with it's guts hanging out, what's more painful, the trip to the vet or 5 minutes under water? I thought it was common practice to put down dogs thru suffocation? Nasty subject anyway... |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:30:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
When you have a cat with it's guts hanging out, what's more painful, the trip to the vet or 5 minutes under water? I don't know. If I had to euthenize a cat without drugs, my first choice would be to shoot it in the back of the head, using a rifle or handgun, and my second choice would be to strangle it with a cord. Charlie |
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"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote: Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying. Charlie The government currently uses tactics which violate the Geneva convention because we have a despicable worm as President who has brought shame on the office and on the nation as a whole. If anyone should be tortured it is Bush, but lets not stray off the subject of cats. |
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"Upscale" wrote in message ... "cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. W |
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"Professor" wrote in message news:v32xi.7970$%t4.6778@trnddc03... "Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message news On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote: Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying. Charlie The government currently uses tactics which violate the Geneva convention because we have a despicable worm as President who has brought shame on the office and on the nation as a whole. If anyone should be tortured it is Bush, but lets not stray off the subject of cats. Errr.....The government was doing things like that long before Bush, but if you must Bush-bash, then be my guest. (It's not like you're alone....:^) |
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On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message ... "cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. W It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best @ that time for the kitten concerned. You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats & homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to breed cats too!!) If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to, rather than the facts in front of them. I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for what you had to do, not criticised. All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should" have done. I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice. Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time. You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It was a terrible position to find yourself in. Best Wishes, Sheelagh"o" |
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"Sheelagh o" wrote in message ups.com... On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote: "Upscale" wrote in message ... "cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. W It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best @ that time for the kitten concerned. You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats & homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to breed cats too!!) If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to, rather than the facts in front of them. I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for what you had to do, not criticised. All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should" have done. I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice. Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time. You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It was a terrible position to find yourself in. Best Wishes, Sheelagh"o" This is always the hardest decision for someone to make....Our desire to wait and see if the cat recovers is so great, that it is very hard to, "give it up" and decide to put it down.....At such times, it is usually best to go with the veterinarians decision, because they don't have the emotional involvement that you are burdened with...... |
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"Sheelagh o" wrote in message ups.com... On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote: "Upscale" wrote in message ... "cindys" wrote in message least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way for the kitten to die. Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd prefer to die. It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. W It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize. I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best @ that time for the kitten concerned. ---------- For the record, I hope my remarks were not taken to be a criticism of Wendy. They were not intended to be, and I would have done the same thing as she did in her shoes. When my husband put the baby bird out of its misery, it was only because the vet's office was already closed, and we didn't want the bird to suffer late into the night only to have to die on its own. Even though death (using the hoe) was nearly instantaneous, my husband said it was a horrible experience, and he would never want to repeat it. Best regards, ---Cindy S. You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats & homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to breed cats too!!) If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to, rather than the facts in front of them. I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for what you had to do, not criticised. All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should" have done. I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice. Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time. You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It was a terrible position to find yourself in. Best Wishes, Sheelagh"o" |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:45:11 -0400, cindys wrote:
For the record, I hope my remarks were not taken to be a criticism of Wendy. They were not intended to be, and I would have done the same thing as she did in her shoes. When my husband put the baby bird out of its misery, it was only because the vet's office was already closed, and we didn't want the bird to suffer late into the night only to have to die on its own. Even though death (using the hoe) was nearly instantaneous, my husband said it was a horrible experience, and he would never want to repeat it. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I live on an island where the vet is either a boat ride or a plane ride away, and there have been a couple of times when I have had to put animals down. Strangulation (for birds) or a bullet (for larger animals) are quick and painless for the animal. What your husband did with the hoe was also a humane technique. Drowning is a chicken**** way to get rid of cats. People do it out here. One time I was at a marina, and I saw a couple of guys walking down the dock with a cat in a carrier. It was a nice looking cat. I figured it was their pet and they were getting aboard a boat. I went into town and did my errands, and when I got back, I tossed something in the dumpster and there was the soaked body of this poor animal. If I'd known what those assholes were up to, I'd have offered to take the cat. Charlie |
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