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that is not my point at all, my point was, that it can't be nearly as
harmful as many preach, of course a food designed for a particular animal is best, but the differental may not be as huge as it is preached, Lee "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you? |
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"Stormmee" wrote in message ... that is not my point at all, my point was, that it can't be nearly as harmful as many preach, of course a food designed for a particular animal is best, but the differental may not be as huge as it is preached, Lee You are still not doing a bit of good, and in fact are simply giving negligent pet owners fuel to neglect their animals. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you? |
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you are taking this way too seriously, I was the one who asked about
negative health aspects of the dog eating the cat food, negligent owners won't be reading here, that would be way to much effort, Lee "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... that is not my point at all, my point was, that it can't be nearly as harmful as many preach, of course a food designed for a particular animal is best, but the differental may not be as huge as it is preached, Lee You are still not doing a bit of good, and in fact are simply giving negligent pet owners fuel to neglect their animals. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you? |
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"Stormmee" wrote in message ... you are taking this way too seriously, I was the one who asked about negative health aspects of the dog eating the cat food, negligent owners won't be reading here, that would be way to much effort, Lee I'll decide whether I take anything "too seriously" or not, toots. You think negligent owners don't read the groups? Where the hell have you been? Every other asshole posting to h+b is somebody trying to avoid paying for a vet. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... that is not my point at all, my point was, that it can't be nearly as harmful as many preach, of course a food designed for a particular animal is best, but the differental may not be as huge as it is preached, Lee You are still not doing a bit of good, and in fact are simply giving negligent pet owners fuel to neglect their animals. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you? |
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Crossposted again to get arguements going and destroy the tranquility of
our groups. Please ignore the trolls. -- Regards, Fred (remove FFFf from my address to reply by email) http://www.fredwilliams.ca/thesecretofmoney.html |
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we wouldn't even be having this conversation if it had not been post to a
group i regularily read, hb is not one of them, and since you are turning nasty we will not continue this or any other conversation, please enjoy your life, Lee "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... you are taking this way too seriously, I was the one who asked about negative health aspects of the dog eating the cat food, negligent owners won't be reading here, that would be way to much effort, Lee I'll decide whether I take anything "too seriously" or not, toots. You think negligent owners don't read the groups? Where the hell have you been? Every other asshole posting to h+b is somebody trying to avoid paying for a vet. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... that is not my point at all, my point was, that it can't be nearly as harmful as many preach, of course a food designed for a particular animal is best, but the differental may not be as huge as it is preached, Lee You are still not doing a bit of good, and in fact are simply giving negligent pet owners fuel to neglect their animals. "cybercat" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... what i want to know is how dogs and cats survived before there was commercial foods... my grandfather raised literally hundreds of dogs, and until i was almost an adult they never ate commerial foods, Lee So your point is that just because they can survive on "whatever" they should? Rather than be fed food that is designed for their species special needs? You could live on Wonder bread, but should you? |
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"dgk" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:41:11 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: "Phil P." wrote in message om... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat..... I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog. Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs, nitwit. So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". To me, getting sick from one or two exposures is, "hurt". Not being forced to eat the stuff for the animal's entire life, or over a period of months and months......If eating cat food was harmful to dogs, then every dog I have ever known has been harmed.......I suppose that you must believe they have been, from your narrow definition of "harmed". There is a delayed way of eating cat food as well. One of my brother's dogs used to like to eat the cat poops out of the litterbox. We always figured that it was crunchy on the outside and smooth on the inside but weren't willing to personally check it out. I usually think that cats are so weird but dogs aren't immune. That was real incentive to keep the litterbox clean. The TV told me the other day that there was a parasite in cat poop that can be harmful to humans. (children, usually) I forget what it's called, but it sounded pretty bad to me....... |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message news "cshenk" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never looked into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless. No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for cats. Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional requirements were met. Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get fat quickly when they eat cat food. Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough of that stuff in the diet. Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate it for more than a few days. It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the cats need No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require. In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of taurine, dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot convert beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A. Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty acid for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic acid and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet. Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal enzyme, pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis and ammonia detoxification. Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods contain at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods. Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs dog food. http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat..... I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog. Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs, nitwit. So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". No- it comes down to feeding cat food to cats and dog food to dogs. That should be simple enough even for a babbling nitwit like you to understand. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:25:38 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: "dgk" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:41:11 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: "Phil P." wrote in message news:yrKdnXPVAJzpbzvWnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@giganews. com... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat..... I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog. Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs, nitwit. So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". To me, getting sick from one or two exposures is, "hurt". Not being forced to eat the stuff for the animal's entire life, or over a period of months and months......If eating cat food was harmful to dogs, then every dog I have ever known has been harmed.......I suppose that you must believe they have been, from your narrow definition of "harmed". There is a delayed way of eating cat food as well. One of my brother's dogs used to like to eat the cat poops out of the litterbox. We always figured that it was crunchy on the outside and smooth on the inside but weren't willing to personally check it out. I usually think that cats are so weird but dogs aren't immune. That was real incentive to keep the litterbox clean. The TV told me the other day that there was a parasite in cat poop that can be harmful to humans. (children, usually) I forget what it's called, but it sounded pretty bad to me....... That's probably referring to Toxoplasmosis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis I had no idea it was so widespread or debilitating. |
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"Phil P." wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message news "cshenk" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never looked into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless. No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for cats. Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional requirements were met. Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get fat quickly when they eat cat food. Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough of that stuff in the diet. Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate it for more than a few days. It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the cats need No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require. In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of taurine, dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot convert beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A. Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty acid for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic acid and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet. Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal enzyme, pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis and ammonia detoxification. Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods contain at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods. Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs dog food. http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat..... I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog. Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs, nitwit. So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". No- it comes down to feeding cat food to cats and dog food to dogs. That should be simple enough even for a babbling nitwit like you to understand. OMG Phil, when did you become such an optimist!!? |
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