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Rescue, when to take off flea collars?
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Joe wrote:
Your WebTV newsreader doesn't work. Works just fine, thank you Advantage is one of the safest products on the market and is far from being relatively new. Not only have I read the directions I have attended a few seminars on the product so I know how it works. It doesn't cause the tremors like some over the counter products (Hartz, bio spot ect.) Nor have there been any reported cases of it killing any animals! (If you can post some I would be interested). Flea collars are nothing but a waste of money, but go for it I could really care less. Thanks for nothing Joe you keep making comments about other people being nasty, well maybe you should look in a mirror, because you are an ass. Since you seem to think you already know everything why bother asking. Nadine |
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Joe maybe you'll be able to understand me this way. Advantage is
to be applied as close to the skin as possible so that it can travel up the hair follicles, it is not absorbed into the system. It works and is extremely safe. I have been a tech. for 18 years not 16. But I didn't "harp" on that at all, heck I didn't even mention it to you, until now and only because you brought it up. Of course that has nothing to do with how my posts look. Sorry if my posting skills don't meet your requirements. I don't have the time to perfect them as I spend most of my time dealing with real life animal care. If flea collars worked so well then why was flea control so impossible (without bathing the animal, and treating the house/yard with harsh chemicals ect...constantly-not that that worked well either) all those years before Advantage/Frontline came onto the market? As for you saying, "At least I make an effort to give accurate, considerate information." LMAO. nothing you say is considerate, just nasty. But that seems to be the norm in here. And I asked you to show some studies showing where Advantage has killed any animal. Nadine |
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I dont know who Baxer is but Bayer Pharmaceuticals makes Advantage...
Nadine wrote: Joe maybe you'll be able to understand me this way. Advantage is to be applied as close to the skin as possible so that it can travel up the hair follicles, it is not absorbed into the system. It works and is extremely safe. I have been a tech. for 18 years not 16. But I didn't "harp" on that at all, heck I didn't even mention it to you, until now and only because you brought it up. Of course that has nothing to do with how my posts look. Sorry if my posting skills don't meet your requirements. I don't have the time to perfect them as I spend most of my time dealing with real life animal care. If flea collars worked so well then why was flea control so impossible (without bathing the animal, and treating the house/yard with harsh chemicals ect...constantly-not that that worked well either) all those years before Advantage/Frontline came onto the market? As for you saying, "At least I make an effort to give accurate, considerate information." LMAO. nothing you say is considerate, just nasty. But that seems to be the norm in here. And I asked you to show some studies showing where Advantage has killed any animal. Nadine |
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(Joe) wrote:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fixing your WebTV newsreader might help you follow the conversation. I've had no problem what so ever following the conversation. I said you harp on having been a vet tech when others question your recklessness. No harping or recklessness It is your WebTV newsreader cofiguration. But I am not bashing WebTV users, the problem is your particular WebTV newsreader configuration. I do not recall seeing that horrible formatting among other WebTV users. Webs don't have newsreader configurations as far as I know, but I did this the long way to help you out. And No, snipping everything isn't the solution. Again, just trying to help you out I think you are just careless, or you cannot find a friend to help you. If I met you on the Internet without knowing who you are, I probably would offer to help. Lots of people would. Here, I am just trying to give you a clue. Like I would ever ask the likes of you for help! So how do you find time to shill for your flea treatment? Just trying to make things safer for the cats, but you obviously don't care about safety. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Again, fixing your WebTV newsreader might help you follow the conversation. I never said they work really well. You get what you pay for. Works better then my I MAC, which I use for my real computer needs. But I think flea collars are working well enough for my cats. Good for you, whatever floats your boat. That is your argument. I asked you for clinical results supporting your brash claim flea collars do not work. I am sure there are lots of clinical results especially from the makers of alternative products. I mean seriously. You put the collar on a flea infested animal and later you test for fleas. Sounds easy to me. Nope, not my argument as I have no problem with fleas because I use Advantage. Many people have tried flea collars, only to find out that they wasted their money. Then they come to us saying "help my pet has fleas and the flea collar isn't working". If you need/want clinical studies do your own homework as I already know the truth about them. I know flea collars are not healthy, but no chemicals will be on my cats after the fleas/eggs are dead. Sure =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You are lying again. Not lying about a damn thing If that were true, maybe it is because trying to follow your conversation is frustrating. Hope this one is easier for you to follow. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You claimed flea collars simply do not work before I said anything about the product you are selling. I make NO money from Bayer. But to each their own. Do what you want. It's not worth the time arguing with you. -- Have a great day anyway. Oh I will, thank you Nadine |
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Tapeworms are transmitted via blood transmission via .... fleas.
If you want to prevent re-infestation, I would strongly suggest you re-think your flea treatment alternatives. Collars are statistically on the low end of the scale when it comes to being effective. Even if you never let your cats outside, you can carry the fleas in to them. And if the fleas are carrying tapeworm eggs, you will start the vicious cycle all over. If you remove the collars, for the safety of the animal, you may actually be unwittingly exposing them to re-infestation. Here is a good article that explains tapeworm: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tapeworm.html As that article says, the key to eradication tapeworms is home flea control. I use Advantage, as I posted earlier in the thread. I have seen enough evidence to justify it as a reasonable risk as opposed to the complications that can be associated with having a flea infestation. I, myself, am highly allergic to flea bites, and tend to scratch in my sleep, causing no end to scars and infections. We also have a dog that is sensitive to flea bites, to the point where she scratches herself raw. She has had no lesions since we switched to Advantage. Remember, with any product to control fleas, you are TRYING to KILL something, therefore, whatever you use will be somewhat toxic, in one form or another. It is like taking any kind of medicine. You will always have some "side effects". There are risks associated with everything, but you have to weigh the benefit against the reasonable risk to the user. Good luck. Fleas are evil minions of satan, and all deserve to die! D. "Joe" wrote in message ... (Nadine) wrote: you obviously don't care about safety. I monitor my cats carefully. Today, a veterinarian gave Kitty (the new male cat) two shots and pills for the tapeworms. Drontal FELINE EV/Rhino/Calici Annual Rabies, Feline Exam by Doctor I will take him back next month for booster shots. -- The new male cat is perfect for Kiki, IMO. She still hisses when they get close. He is very timid, not territorial at all but does show signs of wanting to play. He is 12.5 pounds to her 10 pounds, so if she actaully tries to hurt him, if he cannot run I think he will stop it. Hopefully, Kiki will get used to him enough to play, someday maybe. Have a great day anyway. |
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They are not only NOT quick/effective flea killers but they can
make a cat sick. So can Advantage. Actually, in testing, Advantage was literally FED to the test subjects. With no ill effects. From the manufacturer website: "Advantage is backed by extensive and thorough domestic animal safety studies that show even when administered at five times the target therapeutic dosage for three consecutive days, cats and dogs experienced no adverse effects4. If you apply as recommended, you can be confident of the gentleness of Advantage on your pet. 4Bayer Domestic Animal Safety Studies" The active ingredient, is also used as a grain pesticide, and is thereby ingested, even by humans. You can read more on this he http://ace.orst.edu/info/extoxnet/pips/imidaclo.htm (snip excerpted from toxicity studies-note-the imidacloprid was ingested in these studies) "Chronic Toxicity: A 2-year feeding study in rats fed up to 1,800 ppm resulted in a No Observable Effect Level (NOEL) of 100 ppm (5.7 mg/kg body weight in males and 7.6 mg/kg in females). Adverse effects included decreased body weight gain in females at 300 ppm, and increased thyroid lesions in males at 300 ppm and females at 900 ppm. A 1-year feeding study in dogs fed up to 2,500 ppm resulted in a NOEL of 1,250 ppm (41 mg/kg). Adverse effects included increased cholesterol levels in the blood, and some stress to the liver (measured by elevated liver cytochrome p-450 levels) (331)" We use Advantage, and have had no problems, even on very sick animals. D. |
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