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Fences - Cats - DIY?
dgk wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 23:00:29 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. Both count. Liberty is important but so is food and a nice place to sleep. Absolutely! And my cats hase both. but it is a dangerous world, and there are many hazards for outsice cats. Life itself is hazardous, however, and you can't get out of it alive. As the gambler once said, "You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't even get out of the game." So, in my humble opinion, you might as well enjoy yourself while you are ahead, and play every hand like it was your last..... |
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Higgs Boson wrote:
On Sep 9, 11:00 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB The hundreds of them that I had to live and work with in California for over 40 years..... They would do anything to promote my "good health", whether I wanted it or not. An example? Putting their kids tooth medicine in my drinking water. And, believe me, there are many more..... |
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On Sep 11, 12:28*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote: On Sep 9, 11:00 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message m... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB The hundreds of them that I had to live and work with in California for over 40 years..... They would do anything to promote my "good health", whether I wanted it or not. An example? Putting their kids tooth medicine in my drinking water. And, believe me, there are many more..... Hic jacet lapin! Fluoridation. Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Brings back fond memories of a film I must have seen a dozen times, and it gets better each time: DR. STANGELOVE. Perhaps the late Peter Sellers' greatest performance... Screenplay by Stanley Kubrick, Terry Southern, and Peter George. Remember that marvelous scene where General Jack D. Ripper... well, read this excerpt from: http://citation.allacademic.com/meta...p414592-21.php " Black comedy focuses on topics that are typically treated very seriously, including death and war. The classic film Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), which concerned the "doomsday" prospect of thermonuclear war during the cold war, perfectly exemplifies the genre of black comedy and highlights its ability to offer a viable alternative narrative form. In the film, a crazed Air Force General – even his name was satirical, Jack. D. Ripper – comically (not tragically!) initiates a nuclear attack because of his belief that a communist conspiracy explained the fluoridation of the nation's water supply. Ripper claimed that such efforts would "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids." 40 The film ridicules 40 See Dr. Strangelove: A Continuity Transcript." Available at http://www.visual- memory.co.uk/ amk/doc/0055.html." HB |
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Higgs Boson wrote:
Hic jacet lapin! Fluoridation. Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Yes. - The unconstitutional level. Like taking $4000 of my tax money and giving it to that welfare bum down the block with rusty cars all over his front lawn so he could buy himself a new car, while I pedeled a bicycle to work for ten years.... You better vote early next November, cause when I vote, I will be so mad I will tear the lever off the machine..... |
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On Sep 15, 5:16*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote: Hic jacet lapin! *Fluoridation. *Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Yes. - The unconstitutional level. Like taking $4000 of my tax money and giving it to that welfare bum down the block with rusty cars all over his front lawn so he could buy himself a new car, while I pedeled a bicycle to work for ten years.... You better vote early next November, cause when I vote, I will be so mad I will tear the lever off the machine..... I AM voting early Thought I would be out of the country, so ordered an ballot that's supposed to arrive early Oct. If you tear off the lever, your vote might not count, and you would probably be arrested. Hmm....OK, go ahead... HB |
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dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. |
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Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. |
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On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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"David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Forget cats, I have raccoons, and put down chicken wire to discourage them. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). |
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