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Old September 1st 03, 01:11 PM
Ann Martin
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"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
All these people have stated that this industry is regulated. Where
is the proof? Show me one document that gives any indication that
ingredients in pet foods are regulated. One idiot stated that the
USDA/FSIS regulated the ingredients used in pet foods. WRONG! they
have no input at all. The FDA/CVM oversees any drugs that are used in
pet foods and the labeling text. NOTHING ELSE. The AAFCO sets
guidelines and it is up to each state to adopt these guidlines. Very
few states actually do and if they do this group, comprised of many
from the pet food industry, has no input at all into the ingredients
used. If you follow the AAFCO guidlelines, as I have pointed out in a
previous post, the foods can contain such things as "hydrolyzed hair,"
dehydrated garbage," "dehydrated food waste," "dried ruminant waste,"
"dried swine waste," "undried processed animal waste products,". NOW
WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHO REGULATES THE
INGREDIENTS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL FOOD. THE PET FOOD COMPANIES,
THAT'S WHO REGULATES THIS INDUSTRY.

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As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like
you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on
the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented
information they require.

Ann


Small, nit-picky correction: this is a news group, not a list.


Thanks Cathy, I'll remember that in the future.

And, it's considered to be impolite to use caps for entire words/sentences
in ngs - it's = shouting.


Cathy, if I were speaking directly to these people I would be shouting
as they can't seem to comprehend anything I have said. There will be
no more shouting as I will not be responding to these people again.

Ann

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Old September 1st 03, 02:27 PM
PawsForThought
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From: pam (Mary)

NOW
WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHO REGULATES THE
INGREDIENTS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL FOOD


http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/consumer/petfoodflier.html

"The Act does require that pet foods, like human foods, be pure and
wholesome,
contain no harmful or deleterious substances, and be truthfully labeled."

That's about it.


Yeah, that's about it. But I see nothing about pet food be regulated at all.

Lauren
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Old September 1st 03, 02:27 PM
PawsForThought
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From: pam (Mary)

NOW
WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHO REGULATES THE
INGREDIENTS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL FOOD


http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/consumer/petfoodflier.html

"The Act does require that pet foods, like human foods, be pure and
wholesome,
contain no harmful or deleterious substances, and be truthfully labeled."

That's about it.


Yeah, that's about it. But I see nothing about pet food be regulated at all.

Lauren
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See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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Old September 1st 03, 04:23 PM
Joe Canuck
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Ann Martin wrote:

As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like
you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on
the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented
information they require.


Ok, here is my question to you...

I have a 2 1/2 year old female Ragdoll that weights somewhere between 16
- 17 pounds which is considered normal for her breed. No behavior or
health problems whatsoever. A very sweet loving cat.

Current food is 75% California Natural dry + 25% Science Diet Nature's
Best dry. I cannot get Calfornia Natural locally, current supply comes
from where I used to live. I can get Science Diet.

I've given her a good try on various canned brands... as much as she
loves the food her digestive system cannot handle it. Runny stools and
occasional vomiting that disappears once back on dry. Yes, I attempted
the switch gradually and spent weeks being patient with it. I finally
called a halt to it when one evening she made a mess of her rear after a
visit to the litter box... she was trying to clean herself up and looked
at me with a quiet little meow as though to say "help me". So, based on
this I've decided canned is out.

Science Diet is the best food I can find in this northern community and
is only available through the vets. The only other foods are available
through Walmart and the grocery stores... and well you know the quality
there.

Recommendations?

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old September 1st 03, 04:23 PM
Joe Canuck
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Ann Martin wrote:

As I've said before, I don't have the time to spend with people like
you and won't bother wasting anymore time with your posts. Others on
the list know that I am more then happy to provide any documented
information they require.


Ok, here is my question to you...

I have a 2 1/2 year old female Ragdoll that weights somewhere between 16
- 17 pounds which is considered normal for her breed. No behavior or
health problems whatsoever. A very sweet loving cat.

Current food is 75% California Natural dry + 25% Science Diet Nature's
Best dry. I cannot get Calfornia Natural locally, current supply comes
from where I used to live. I can get Science Diet.

I've given her a good try on various canned brands... as much as she
loves the food her digestive system cannot handle it. Runny stools and
occasional vomiting that disappears once back on dry. Yes, I attempted
the switch gradually and spent weeks being patient with it. I finally
called a halt to it when one evening she made a mess of her rear after a
visit to the litter box... she was trying to clean herself up and looked
at me with a quiet little meow as though to say "help me". So, based on
this I've decided canned is out.

Science Diet is the best food I can find in this northern community and
is only available through the vets. The only other foods are available
through Walmart and the grocery stores... and well you know the quality
there.

Recommendations?

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old September 1st 03, 06:21 PM
Phil P.
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"Ann Martin" wrote in message
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Someone also stated that the AAFCO, classifed livestock and pet food
in different catagories. Dr. David Dzanis, formerly a veterinary
medical officer with the CVM, made it clear in a letter that ALL AAFCO
'ingredient definitions' applied to both livestock and pet food.


Did you misrepresent others' statements in your book to suit your agenda,
also? What I actually said was:

"Because an ingredient has the same description, that doesn't mean that
ingredient can be used in either food!"

Followed by the AAFCO regulation:

"9. ANIMAL PRODUCTS . Official

*Use of this ingredient, from mammalian origins, is restricted to
non-ruminant feeds unless specifically exempted by 21 CFR 589.2000."

IOW, Martin the Manipulator, some of the ingredients used in food for
ruminants cannot be used in cat food. Cats are non-ruminant animals - I
doubt you knew that...

I said nothing about different definitions for the same ingredients used in
feed for livestock and food for cats. *You* conjured up that
misrepresentation all by yourself...I wonder how many misrepresentations you
conjured up in your book for effect.....

I wouldn't believe your so-called documentation unless it was notarized and
witnessed by a priest... and a rabbi... and a minister... and a monk...

All your hyperbole and sensationalism can't change the fact that cats are
living longer today than they've ever lived before - and the overwhelmingly
vast majority eat *commercial cat food* their entire lives... which is
usually into their late teens and even early twenties.

As I said before, if 1/10 of the "danger" you sensationalize to sell books
was *real* or *true*, the vast majority of cats that eat commercial cat
food would be dropping like flies at young ages instead of living longer...
into their late teens and even into their early twenties. *Reality* debunks
your scaremongering... you should try opening your eyes to it... But then
you
wouldn't sell many books, now would you?




 




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