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Old June 29th 04, 09:48 PM
Phil
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We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help. The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil


  #2  
Old June 30th 04, 04:48 AM
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"Phil" wrote in message
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We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil




This is not the description of a cat that is easily rehomed. I can see why
rescue hasn't gotten back to you. Most likely given her history, she will
be euthanized or cruelly spend the rest of her life in a small cage if they
even take her. If you have any affection for this animal, then take her in
to the vet yourself and have her euthanized. I understand why she can't be
a part of your family, but no other family is going to want her either. You
owe it to her to make sure her last moments on earth are with the family she
knows and loves now. I know it's hard for you to euthanize her, but it's
part of the bargain you made when you gave her a home in the first place.
If you cannot provide her with a good life, at least provide her with a good
death.




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Old June 30th 04, 02:02 PM
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Sunflower wrote:
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Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


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Old June 30th 04, 05:43 PM
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wrote in message
...
Sunflower wrote:
snip
Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter. He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.


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Old June 30th 04, 06:24 PM
Phil
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Well stated, however difficult it may be to accept. We, as a family, and
even the breeder, recognize what may have to be done. As you stated, we
also have to try and determine if the problem is at all fixable. If not,
then passing it along to another person is irresponsible. This is why I am
telling people exactly what they are getting. I know that makes it harder
to place the cat, but it is the right thing to do.

- Phil


"Sunflower" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Sunflower wrote:
snip
Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't

know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter.

He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane

Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it

to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all

that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a

cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the

cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.




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Old June 30th 04, 06:24 PM
Phil
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Well stated, however difficult it may be to accept. We, as a family, and
even the breeder, recognize what may have to be done. As you stated, we
also have to try and determine if the problem is at all fixable. If not,
then passing it along to another person is irresponsible. This is why I am
telling people exactly what they are getting. I know that makes it harder
to place the cat, but it is the right thing to do.

- Phil


"Sunflower" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Sunflower wrote:
snip
Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't

know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter.

He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane

Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it

to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all

that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a

cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the

cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.




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Old July 1st 04, 12:11 AM
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Sunflower wrote:

No, it's reality.


What a bunch of bull****. It doesn't have to be and killing a healthy
cat that has a yet undetermined cause for her issue is WRONG.

I'm sorry if you don't
like it. THe OP wants to rehome the cat.
Period. He wasn't looking for
suggestions as to try to deal with the
problem. He "says" the vet found no
problems, and although I don't know what
types of testing the OP had done, at
this point, it doesn't matter.


Of course it matters, but you're so intent on making sure this cat is
murdered you didn't even bother to ask.

He wants the cat gone.


Maybe so, but often people are so stressed by what's happening they
don't feel they have any other choice. Often when they receive support,
feedback and advice from those of us who have actual experience in
dealing with this issue, they have hope and go on to find a SOLUTION
that doesn't involve KILLING. The whole reason "most of us," with the
obvious exception of YOU, are here is to help people and give advice on
how the cat can keep its home. This is not
rec.pets.cats-kill-the-cat-because-you-can't-bother-to-find-a-solution.
It's a rescue group, and part of that means helping people find a way to
keep their cats.

And as far as "medication"
to cure the anxiety urination issues, it
only works about 20% of the time.


More bull****. There are many medications used to deal with this issue
and 20% is not accurate for many of the ones I have experience with. FYI
the Tuft's behavior clinic reports a 90%+ success rate using Prozac.
There are other medications that are nearly as successful, and a lot of
it also depends on the cat. I have been in rescue for over 25 years and
currently have 24 cats, several of which came with urination issues. I
have also had cats in the past with same. I have had 100% success in
using medication, and have been successful using diet and supplements to
control two other cats with interstitial cystitis, which I suspect the
OP's cat may have.
I also know several people who have also had a 100% success rate using
medication, including a cat that sprayed for 6 years and was confined to
a basement for the last two years because he was destroying the house.
He was put on Prozac and has not had one single spraying incident since
and is now allowed in the rest of the house and he's been on it for over
a year now.

Yes, I
know from personal experience on that
one, as well as working with our Humane
Society.


Apparently you haven't had much, or done you homework.

There isn't one single sane person on
the planet who *wants* to live in a home
with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we
do sometimes when we think it's a short
term issue that can be cured, but other
than making the cat live in isolation in
a room fully able to be washed down and
disinfected constantly, there has to be
some sort of progress in the behavior
for it to be at all tolerated.


For progress to be made there has to be investigation of why it happens.
Asking what has been done so far and offering ideas may help save this
cat, regardless of what the OP originally says. You want to go straight
to *killing* this cat. It's disgusting and if this is how you view
things you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS being in *any* aspect of rescue.

We share
our homes with animals on the
expectation that they will modify their
natural instincts somewhat to suit our
human fastidiousness.


That's completely the wrong expectation, and nobody that thinks this way
should have animals. *Intelligent* people understand that you have to
provide an environment for the cat that allows it to exhibit "natural
behaviors" in a way that allows us to coexist peacefully. That's why we
have litterboxes and scratching posts, etc. You can't force or expect a
cat to be anything other than a cat.

If the animal
can't adapt to being in a home, then all
that is left is being outside,
euthanasia, or life in a cage.
A good
death is preferable to a bad life in my
opinion and I consider a life spent in a
cage a bad life.


That's why you make the commitment to get the cat out of the cage and
into a home, not KILL it! Yes, some cats are harder to home, but it can
be done and
it's wrong to kill a cat when there are still many things to try.
Apparently you don't think so and would rather play executioner.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible
animal to anyone who knows the story.


Not necessarily, and especially when not everything has been tried.

What is going to happen to this animal?
He'll dump it off at the shelter where
it'll be euthanized by strangers or
someone else picks the animal out not
knowing the past behavior to give a home
to and starts to experience the same
behavior, and repeats the cycle. How
cruel to the cat is that?


Or he could try medication, and try a diet to control possible
interstitial cystitis (which is VERY easy) and the cat may stop the
behavior.

Better to accept the full responsibility
of pet ownership and have the animal
euthanized than to pass the problem
along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.


Accepting full responsibility of pet ownership does not include KILLING
a healthy animal that has a once every few weeks peeing incident. A
*responsible* pet owner understands that cats don't do this for no
reason, and will ask for help trying to find a solution. *Responsible *
people don't murder animals because they can't be bothered to do a few
simple things that might very well correct the problem. THAT'S reality.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


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Old July 1st 04, 04:43 PM
Sunflower
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I take it then that you are going to accept this animal into your home? Our
shelter also currently has 2 other cats that were surrendered with
inappropriate elimination issues and who are fully healthy. Would you like
to arrange transportation for them too? And the 20% figure that I gave for
the behavior modification with Prozac is exactly what the 4 different vets
who work with the Humane Society also gave me. It's also what I've
experienced personally with shelter cats and one of my own personal cats.
Medication did NOT help. Two years of trying everything under the sun did
nothing, and my own cat became more and more anxious and nervous, which is
why I ended up fostering him and keeping him in the first place. I do blame
it on his declaw, which he came to me with and had to be redone it was
botched so badly. For that reason, he could not go out to the barn with the
feral colony that I maintain. $1200 worth of medical tests, with all of
them coming back normal. What would you suggest now?

When someone's made the decision to relinquish an animal, that decision has
been made. You might change the mind of 25% of them with further
information, but usually, they just end up relinquishing the animal later
when someone else is on the intake desk. By the time the ads go out and the
shelter is visited, it's a done deal. That animal either finds a new home,
or is tossed out. It's better that an animal be euthanized by an owner than
to be relinquished to some of the awful kill shelters I've seen, and better
to be euthanized than go to some of the no kill facilities I've seen as
well. If an animal is living in a shelter situation, it's cruel to keep
them there longer than about 6 months. Living life in a 30 inch cat tower
isn't a life. Rescues themselves have a responsibility to not be cruel to
the animals in their charge, and making an animal live their life out in a
shelter is cruel.

Not all animals problems can be fixed and not all animals can be saved.
Since rescue resources are limited, they go further if you admit that there
are those that shouldn't be taken on, and help 5 other cats in their place.
That's also realistic.


  #9  
Old July 1st 04, 04:43 PM
Sunflower
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I take it then that you are going to accept this animal into your home? Our
shelter also currently has 2 other cats that were surrendered with
inappropriate elimination issues and who are fully healthy. Would you like
to arrange transportation for them too? And the 20% figure that I gave for
the behavior modification with Prozac is exactly what the 4 different vets
who work with the Humane Society also gave me. It's also what I've
experienced personally with shelter cats and one of my own personal cats.
Medication did NOT help. Two years of trying everything under the sun did
nothing, and my own cat became more and more anxious and nervous, which is
why I ended up fostering him and keeping him in the first place. I do blame
it on his declaw, which he came to me with and had to be redone it was
botched so badly. For that reason, he could not go out to the barn with the
feral colony that I maintain. $1200 worth of medical tests, with all of
them coming back normal. What would you suggest now?

When someone's made the decision to relinquish an animal, that decision has
been made. You might change the mind of 25% of them with further
information, but usually, they just end up relinquishing the animal later
when someone else is on the intake desk. By the time the ads go out and the
shelter is visited, it's a done deal. That animal either finds a new home,
or is tossed out. It's better that an animal be euthanized by an owner than
to be relinquished to some of the awful kill shelters I've seen, and better
to be euthanized than go to some of the no kill facilities I've seen as
well. If an animal is living in a shelter situation, it's cruel to keep
them there longer than about 6 months. Living life in a 30 inch cat tower
isn't a life. Rescues themselves have a responsibility to not be cruel to
the animals in their charge, and making an animal live their life out in a
shelter is cruel.

Not all animals problems can be fixed and not all animals can be saved.
Since rescue resources are limited, they go further if you admit that there
are those that shouldn't be taken on, and help 5 other cats in their place.
That's also realistic.


  #10  
Old July 1st 04, 12:11 AM
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Sunflower wrote:

No, it's reality.


What a bunch of bull****. It doesn't have to be and killing a healthy
cat that has a yet undetermined cause for her issue is WRONG.

I'm sorry if you don't
like it. THe OP wants to rehome the cat.
Period. He wasn't looking for
suggestions as to try to deal with the
problem. He "says" the vet found no
problems, and although I don't know what
types of testing the OP had done, at
this point, it doesn't matter.


Of course it matters, but you're so intent on making sure this cat is
murdered you didn't even bother to ask.

He wants the cat gone.


Maybe so, but often people are so stressed by what's happening they
don't feel they have any other choice. Often when they receive support,
feedback and advice from those of us who have actual experience in
dealing with this issue, they have hope and go on to find a SOLUTION
that doesn't involve KILLING. The whole reason "most of us," with the
obvious exception of YOU, are here is to help people and give advice on
how the cat can keep its home. This is not
rec.pets.cats-kill-the-cat-because-you-can't-bother-to-find-a-solution.
It's a rescue group, and part of that means helping people find a way to
keep their cats.

And as far as "medication"
to cure the anxiety urination issues, it
only works about 20% of the time.


More bull****. There are many medications used to deal with this issue
and 20% is not accurate for many of the ones I have experience with. FYI
the Tuft's behavior clinic reports a 90%+ success rate using Prozac.
There are other medications that are nearly as successful, and a lot of
it also depends on the cat. I have been in rescue for over 25 years and
currently have 24 cats, several of which came with urination issues. I
have also had cats in the past with same. I have had 100% success in
using medication, and have been successful using diet and supplements to
control two other cats with interstitial cystitis, which I suspect the
OP's cat may have.
I also know several people who have also had a 100% success rate using
medication, including a cat that sprayed for 6 years and was confined to
a basement for the last two years because he was destroying the house.
He was put on Prozac and has not had one single spraying incident since
and is now allowed in the rest of the house and he's been on it for over
a year now.

Yes, I
know from personal experience on that
one, as well as working with our Humane
Society.


Apparently you haven't had much, or done you homework.

There isn't one single sane person on
the planet who *wants* to live in a home
with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we
do sometimes when we think it's a short
term issue that can be cured, but other
than making the cat live in isolation in
a room fully able to be washed down and
disinfected constantly, there has to be
some sort of progress in the behavior
for it to be at all tolerated.


For progress to be made there has to be investigation of why it happens.
Asking what has been done so far and offering ideas may help save this
cat, regardless of what the OP originally says. You want to go straight
to *killing* this cat. It's disgusting and if this is how you view
things you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS being in *any* aspect of rescue.

We share
our homes with animals on the
expectation that they will modify their
natural instincts somewhat to suit our
human fastidiousness.


That's completely the wrong expectation, and nobody that thinks this way
should have animals. *Intelligent* people understand that you have to
provide an environment for the cat that allows it to exhibit "natural
behaviors" in a way that allows us to coexist peacefully. That's why we
have litterboxes and scratching posts, etc. You can't force or expect a
cat to be anything other than a cat.

If the animal
can't adapt to being in a home, then all
that is left is being outside,
euthanasia, or life in a cage.
A good
death is preferable to a bad life in my
opinion and I consider a life spent in a
cage a bad life.


That's why you make the commitment to get the cat out of the cage and
into a home, not KILL it! Yes, some cats are harder to home, but it can
be done and
it's wrong to kill a cat when there are still many things to try.
Apparently you don't think so and would rather play executioner.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible
animal to anyone who knows the story.


Not necessarily, and especially when not everything has been tried.

What is going to happen to this animal?
He'll dump it off at the shelter where
it'll be euthanized by strangers or
someone else picks the animal out not
knowing the past behavior to give a home
to and starts to experience the same
behavior, and repeats the cycle. How
cruel to the cat is that?


Or he could try medication, and try a diet to control possible
interstitial cystitis (which is VERY easy) and the cat may stop the
behavior.

Better to accept the full responsibility
of pet ownership and have the animal
euthanized than to pass the problem
along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.


Accepting full responsibility of pet ownership does not include KILLING
a healthy animal that has a once every few weeks peeing incident. A
*responsible* pet owner understands that cats don't do this for no
reason, and will ask for help trying to find a solution. *Responsible *
people don't murder animals because they can't be bothered to do a few
simple things that might very well correct the problem. THAT'S reality.

Megan



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