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i was just wondering if part of this not absorbing is from being dehydrated,
so if you could get something with eltrolights, sp it might help, and also i am going to suggest something here and i want you to take it like i mean it... even though we all know you are NOT annerexic, sp, what you describe are a lot of the symptoms of that condition, so i am wondering if you could go and read up on it and see if there are any medical treatments that might assist you, again, we all know this is NOT your condition but the results, dry mouth, weight loss/hair loss, gagging starving to hurling, are symptoms, so if there is a treatment, supplement, shake or pill or even an IV that helps these people it stands to reason it would help your symptoms, Lee "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 25/11/2010 5:15 AM, CatNipped wrote: Well, the funny thing is that when they did the heart catheter they found not a single bit of plaque, strictures or and damage to my arteries, and I had too *LOW* blood pressure (they would withhold my pain meds in the hospital until my blood pressure was over 80 (the top number, I forget whether it systolic or histolic). "Normal" blood pressure for me is 90/60 and they'll often have a hard time reading that (or don't believe their eyes since they'll invariably take it two or three times before writing it down. So salt is not a factor and there is no evidence of harm from saturated fat. They think now is that it was because of the RSD and pushing myself too hard that brought about the heart attack. More damaging to my heart/health is weighing on 89.5 pounds (as of this morning). Not that I think eating healthy is *bad*, only that it doesn't matter to the doctor or nutritionist *what* I eat as long as I get a lot more protein into my body. Best I can suggest is those 'protein shakes' that body builder types use to muscle up, or even going down to the health food shop and buying those amino acid supplement thingies (probably about as good as a 'protein shake', actually) Did a bit of a search and came across this site. It might be helpful: http://www.gainingweight.info/a-samp...o-gain-weight/ Yowie |
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remember to bring the dough back to room temp and let it rise before baking,
also, since you use a scale, you might be able to speed the process by just getting it portioned, stuffing into frig as you go, then remove how many you think you can handle, shape and let rise then bake, I read a stunningly excellent bread group where i have learned a lot, alt.bread.recipes i think, if not search for bread groups, you want the one where barry harmen and boron are posting, maybe carol will read this and confirm the name, lol, Lee "Ted Davis" wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 01:02:13 -0600, Storrmmee wrote: frig the buns as you shape them then bring out to rise, or split the dough, do as many as yo can and bake, Lee I thought about doing something like that, but I didn't know if it would work. Maybe even chilling half the dough, then chilling the first batch while preparing the second. I'll definitely try that - thanks for the suggestion. BTW, I use a digital scale to portion the dough - about 80 grams per bun. That's almost twice the weight of commercial "whole wheat" buns, but real brown bread *is* heavier than the 'whole wheat added as a minor ingredient' stuff one gets at the store. -- Ted Davis ) |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:53:34 -0600, Storrmmee wrote:
remember to bring the dough back to room temp and let it rise before baking, also, since you use a scale, you might be able to speed the process by just getting it portioned, stuffing into frig as you go, then remove how many you think you can handle, shape and let rise then bake, I read a stunningly excellent bread group where i have learned a lot, alt.bread.recipes i think, if not search for bread groups, you want the one where barry harmen and boron are posting, maybe carol will read this and confirm the name, lol, Lee Of course, I'll let it rise. I've been thinking about this plan: 1) divide the dough into two more or less equal blocks and put them both in the refrigerator to chill 2) take out one chilled block and divide it into loaf size balls 3) form the buns 4) put those back into the refrigerator repeat with the other half 5) take the buns out and put them on the pan to rise I need a good way to judge the rising. I have been thinking about putting a glob of dough into a small measuring glass I have and waiting until it reaches twice the initial volume. It would still mean guessing about the change in curvature of the top, but that's less of a problem than trying to guess in three dimensions. I'm well aware that starting with chilled dough, the recipe rising time estimates are worthless. The measuring glass has almost straight sides and is marked in 10 ml increments to 120 (15 from there to 150), tablespoons to 10, teaspoons to 30, and half ounces to 5. I haven't found any other regular use for it. -- Ted Davis ) |
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i am not much of a cook, but bread is some easier for me because in some
ways its more of an art form. if you can use this glas to watch the dough that might work. and double from chilled is longer than doubled from room temp, the reason i mention it i read a thread where someone had pulled the dough from the frig and stuffed it right into the oven without letting it warm. now on the other hand you can do as your plan listed above if you shape before the last rise, then let it rise overnight in a slow rise, then you just let it warm before cooking, good luck and let us know how it works, Lee "Ted Davis" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:53:34 -0600, Storrmmee wrote: remember to bring the dough back to room temp and let it rise before baking, also, since you use a scale, you might be able to speed the process by just getting it portioned, stuffing into frig as you go, then remove how many you think you can handle, shape and let rise then bake, I read a stunningly excellent bread group where i have learned a lot, alt.bread.recipes i think, if not search for bread groups, you want the one where barry harmen and boron are posting, maybe carol will read this and confirm the name, lol, Lee Of course, I'll let it rise. I've been thinking about this plan: 1) divide the dough into two more or less equal blocks and put them both in the refrigerator to chill 2) take out one chilled block and divide it into loaf size balls 3) form the buns 4) put those back into the refrigerator repeat with the other half 5) take the buns out and put them on the pan to rise I need a good way to judge the rising. I have been thinking about putting a glob of dough into a small measuring glass I have and waiting until it reaches twice the initial volume. It would still mean guessing about the change in curvature of the top, but that's less of a problem than trying to guess in three dimensions. I'm well aware that starting with chilled dough, the recipe rising time estimates are worthless. The measuring glass has almost straight sides and is marked in 10 ml increments to 120 (15 from there to 150), tablespoons to 10, teaspoons to 30, and half ounces to 5. I haven't found any other regular use for it. -- Ted Davis ) |
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"Ted Davis" wrote
Storrmmee wrote: remember to bring the dough back to room temp and let it rise before baking, also, since you use a scale, you might be able to speed the process by just getting it portioned, stuffing into frig as you go, then remove how many you think you can handle, shape and let rise then bake, I read a stunningly excellent bread group where i have learned a lot, alt.bread.recipes i think, if not search for bread groups, you want the one where barry harmen and boron are posting, maybe carol will read this and confirm the name, lol, Lee Of course, I'll let it rise. I've been thinking about this plan: 1) divide the dough into two more or less equal blocks and put them both in the refrigerator to chill 2) take out one chilled block and divide it into loaf size balls 3) form the buns 4) put those back into the refrigerator repeat with the other half 5) take the buns out and put them on the pan to rise I need a good way to judge the rising. I have been thinking about putting a glob of dough into a small measuring glass I have and waiting until it reaches twice the initial volume. It would still mean guessing about the change in curvature of the top, but that's less of a problem than trying to guess in three dimensions. I'm well aware that starting with chilled dough, the recipe rising time estimates are worthless. The measuring glass has almost straight sides and is marked in 10 ml increments to 120 (15 from there to 150), tablespoons to 10, teaspoons to 30, and half ounces to 5. I haven't found any other regular use for it. Hi Ted, try alt.bread.recipies. We have many experts there no matter what type of breadmaking you do. They include the slow rise fridge type folks! |
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On 24/11/2010 8:32 AM, CatNipped wrote:
I absolutely *HATE* McDonalds. Of course, perversely that's the *ONLY* fast food place that DH likes. It's not just the food bad, but the service is horrendous (we sat in line at the drive-through for, I swear, *45 MINUTES! We stopped there on the way home from the doctor's office and (needing to gain weight) I ordered a bacon double cheeseburger with extra pickles. We were charged for that, it came in a "double cheeseburger" wrapping, but what was inside? A single patty, bacon that was so old it looks and tastes like leather, and not a single thing else on it except a few pickles - no tomatoes, lettuce, sauce (ketchup, mayo or muster) - that's it, dry and nasty from sitting under the heating lamps. I'm not a huge fan of McDonald's, preferring the taste of Hungry Jack's (which is approximately equivalent to Burger King in the USA). Besides having a different menu designed for local tastes, we still have the 'classic' Big Mac, Quarter Pounder and Cheeseburger at our McDonalds. None of them particularly appeal to me, but I felt I have to speak in defence of Aussie Maccas. True, only the Big Mac has lettuce. None of the above have tomato either. And for a standard non-fast-food burger, it needs to come with lettuce, tomato, pickled beetroot and onion, as well as the meat patty and sauce (standard burgers skip the pickles and mustard). But I digress. Every Maccas in Australia (AFAIK) now makes burgers to order. They don't sit under lamps, waiting, and thus are never ever dried out or old, nor the lettuce soggy from being 'warm' for too long. I do have a weakness for their bacon & egg muffins of a morning, and know the muffins are at least freshly toasted simply because of the variability of the toasting. If they were all done together and re-warmed, they'd all be the same degree of toasted, which they aren't. The quality of Maccas food has improved dramatically here in the last 10 years or so, going from disgusting burgers similar to the one you had to having both the traditional 'burger and fries' menu to 'heart smart' ticked meals (an independent body that assesses whether something is good for the heart or not) and healthy light options. The cafe options have been particular popular in recent years, although they aren't available in the drive through area. (They do a perfectly acceptable ham cheese & tomato toasted foccacia) Best of all is their espresso pronto coffee, which is a perfectly decent cappuccino, from the drive through. Whilst not the 'best' cappuccino I've ever had, its far from the worst. And I can grab one on the way to work if I drop Cary at school. I get alot of drive through coffees these days :-) Yowie |
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Oh, I take you very seriously - and, technically as you said, I do have
anorexia (just not anorexia nervosa which is, I think, the one that's more mental than physical). I have another appointment with my nutritionist and my PCP early next month and I was going to bring that up. I don't know how they treat anorexia, but that treatment may help me. Personally, though, I think it's the RSD, which scares me because all these new symptoms are signs of being in Stage Four ("End Stage"). All of these symptoms, combined, have no other explanation. Also, the edema I get in just the left foot, not the right could either have something to do with the dehydration or be the reason I can't be dehydrated. I don't know - it just seems the more I know about this the more questions I have about it. All I can do is just take things a day at a time. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i was just wondering if part of this not absorbing is from being dehydrated, so if you could get something with eltrolights, sp it might help, and also i am going to suggest something here and i want you to take it like i mean it... even though we all know you are NOT annerexic, sp, what you describe are a lot of the symptoms of that condition, so i am wondering if you could go and read up on it and see if there are any medical treatments that might assist you, again, we all know this is NOT your condition but the results, dry mouth, weight loss/hair loss, gagging starving to hurling, are symptoms, so if there is a treatment, supplement, shake or pill or even an IV that helps these people it stands to reason it would help your symptoms, Lee "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 25/11/2010 5:15 AM, CatNipped wrote: Well, the funny thing is that when they did the heart catheter they found not a single bit of plaque, strictures or and damage to my arteries, and I had too *LOW* blood pressure (they would withhold my pain meds in the hospital until my blood pressure was over 80 (the top number, I forget whether it systolic or histolic). "Normal" blood pressure for me is 90/60 and they'll often have a hard time reading that (or don't believe their eyes since they'll invariably take it two or three times before writing it down. So salt is not a factor and there is no evidence of harm from saturated fat. They think now is that it was because of the RSD and pushing myself too hard that brought about the heart attack. More damaging to my heart/health is weighing on 89.5 pounds (as of this morning). Not that I think eating healthy is *bad*, only that it doesn't matter to the doctor or nutritionist *what* I eat as long as I get a lot more protein into my body. Best I can suggest is those 'protein shakes' that body builder types use to muscle up, or even going down to the health food shop and buying those amino acid supplement thingies (probably about as good as a 'protein shake', actually) Did a bit of a search and came across this site. It might be helpful: http://www.gainingweight.info/a-samp...o-gain-weight/ Yowie |
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i know you take me seriously, i just wanted to make sure noone accused me of
saying you had nervosa, i am glad i was clear enough, and yes you can swell and b dehydrated, IIRC dehydration is define in some way by what is the balance/concentration of what is in your blood, and by the nature of your weight alone, i am willing to bet you are in a constant state of dehydration, as to the foot thing i haven't a clue about that, but i can tell you what my physical therapist had me do for lower extremity swelling, it might be hard for you since you are thin enough it might be uncomfortable,... you lay on your back on the floor, you scoot up to a couch or other surface so you can put your legs from the knee down parell to the floor, so you are in a traditional sitting position except the back of the chair is the floor, the seat is what you are scooted up next to, and the flat surface parell to the floor is supporting your legs from the knee down, as you lay there and rest, occasionally in no particular time table point your toes then relax, I am not sure how painful that would be for you, but i can gaurentee it really helped my swelling, Lee "CatNipped" wrote in message ... Oh, I take you very seriously - and, technically as you said, I do have anorexia (just not anorexia nervosa which is, I think, the one that's more mental than physical). I have another appointment with my nutritionist and my PCP early next month and I was going to bring that up. I don't know how they treat anorexia, but that treatment may help me. Personally, though, I think it's the RSD, which scares me because all these new symptoms are signs of being in Stage Four ("End Stage"). All of these symptoms, combined, have no other explanation. Also, the edema I get in just the left foot, not the right could either have something to do with the dehydration or be the reason I can't be dehydrated. I don't know - it just seems the more I know about this the more questions I have about it. All I can do is just take things a day at a time. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i was just wondering if part of this not absorbing is from being dehydrated, so if you could get something with eltrolights, sp it might help, and also i am going to suggest something here and i want you to take it like i mean it... even though we all know you are NOT annerexic, sp, what you describe are a lot of the symptoms of that condition, so i am wondering if you could go and read up on it and see if there are any medical treatments that might assist you, again, we all know this is NOT your condition but the results, dry mouth, weight loss/hair loss, gagging starving to hurling, are symptoms, so if there is a treatment, supplement, shake or pill or even an IV that helps these people it stands to reason it would help your symptoms, Lee "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 25/11/2010 5:15 AM, CatNipped wrote: Well, the funny thing is that when they did the heart catheter they found not a single bit of plaque, strictures or and damage to my arteries, and I had too *LOW* blood pressure (they would withhold my pain meds in the hospital until my blood pressure was over 80 (the top number, I forget whether it systolic or histolic). "Normal" blood pressure for me is 90/60 and they'll often have a hard time reading that (or don't believe their eyes since they'll invariably take it two or three times before writing it down. So salt is not a factor and there is no evidence of harm from saturated fat. They think now is that it was because of the RSD and pushing myself too hard that brought about the heart attack. More damaging to my heart/health is weighing on 89.5 pounds (as of this morning). Not that I think eating healthy is *bad*, only that it doesn't matter to the doctor or nutritionist *what* I eat as long as I get a lot more protein into my body. Best I can suggest is those 'protein shakes' that body builder types use to muscle up, or even going down to the health food shop and buying those amino acid supplement thingies (probably about as good as a 'protein shake', actually) Did a bit of a search and came across this site. It might be helpful: http://www.gainingweight.info/a-samp...o-gain-weight/ Yowie |
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I haven't tried that - though I will put pillows under my feet when I'm in
bed- also, I have several pair of those stocking they use in the hospital to keep you from throwing a clot (the cardiologist recommended this , but I haven't been consistent in wearing them because they *hurt*! I could definitely see being dehydrated just going by the "dry mouth" and "dry eye" I live with constantly. Also, the roller coaster weight. Not long ago I got all the way up to 98 pounds - next day 96. next day 98 then down to 94 - so yo-yo, but ultimately down to 89.3 as a new low. This morning I was 92.3 - but weight, for me now can not be depended on as a symptom of anything at all. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i know you take me seriously, i just wanted to make sure noone accused me of saying you had nervosa, i am glad i was clear enough, and yes you can swell and b dehydrated, IIRC dehydration is define in some way by what is the balance/concentration of what is in your blood, and by the nature of your weight alone, i am willing to bet you are in a constant state of dehydration, as to the foot thing i haven't a clue about that, but i can tell you what my physical therapist had me do for lower extremity swelling, it might be hard for you since you are thin enough it might be uncomfortable,... you lay on your back on the floor, you scoot up to a couch or other surface so you can put your legs from the knee down parell to the floor, so you are in a traditional sitting position except the back of the chair is the floor, the seat is what you are scooted up next to, and the flat surface parell to the floor is supporting your legs from the knee down, as you lay there and rest, occasionally in no particular time table point your toes then relax, I am not sure how painful that would be for you, but i can gaurentee it really helped my swelling, Lee "CatNipped" wrote in message ... Oh, I take you very seriously - and, technically as you said, I do have anorexia (just not anorexia nervosa which is, I think, the one that's more mental than physical). I have another appointment with my nutritionist and my PCP early next month and I was going to bring that up. I don't know how they treat anorexia, but that treatment may help me. Personally, though, I think it's the RSD, which scares me because all these new symptoms are signs of being in Stage Four ("End Stage"). All of these symptoms, combined, have no other explanation. Also, the edema I get in just the left foot, not the right could either have something to do with the dehydration or be the reason I can't be dehydrated. I don't know - it just seems the more I know about this the more questions I have about it. All I can do is just take things a day at a time. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i was just wondering if part of this not absorbing is from being dehydrated, so if you could get something with eltrolights, sp it might help, and also i am going to suggest something here and i want you to take it like i mean it... even though we all know you are NOT annerexic, sp, what you describe are a lot of the symptoms of that condition, so i am wondering if you could go and read up on it and see if there are any medical treatments that might assist you, again, we all know this is NOT your condition but the results, dry mouth, weight loss/hair loss, gagging starving to hurling, are symptoms, so if there is a treatment, supplement, shake or pill or even an IV that helps these people it stands to reason it would help your symptoms, Lee "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 25/11/2010 5:15 AM, CatNipped wrote: Well, the funny thing is that when they did the heart catheter they found not a single bit of plaque, strictures or and damage to my arteries, and I had too *LOW* blood pressure (they would withhold my pain meds in the hospital until my blood pressure was over 80 (the top number, I forget whether it systolic or histolic). "Normal" blood pressure for me is 90/60 and they'll often have a hard time reading that (or don't believe their eyes since they'll invariably take it two or three times before writing it down. So salt is not a factor and there is no evidence of harm from saturated fat. They think now is that it was because of the RSD and pushing myself too hard that brought about the heart attack. More damaging to my heart/health is weighing on 89.5 pounds (as of this morning). Not that I think eating healthy is *bad*, only that it doesn't matter to the doctor or nutritionist *what* I eat as long as I get a lot more protein into my body. Best I can suggest is those 'protein shakes' that body builder types use to muscle up, or even going down to the health food shop and buying those amino acid supplement thingies (probably about as good as a 'protein shake', actually) Did a bit of a search and came across this site. It might be helpful: http://www.gainingweight.info/a-samp...o-gain-weight/ Yowie |
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my mom had many of your symptoms, she had already been dx'd with RA but it
took three months, and 45 pounds and most of her hair for someone to think to do the blod tes for shogrum/shrogruns syndrome, can't spell it but, its in the RA lupus family but instead of inflaming joints like in ra it does that to your internal organs, and if not stopped it will simpley killy you with your own antibodies, she is on meds now, and it has slowed but it will never get better, Lee "CatNipped" wrote in message ... I haven't tried that - though I will put pillows under my feet when I'm in bed- also, I have several pair of those stocking they use in the hospital to keep you from throwing a clot (the cardiologist recommended this , but I haven't been consistent in wearing them because they *hurt*! I could definitely see being dehydrated just going by the "dry mouth" and "dry eye" I live with constantly. Also, the roller coaster weight. Not long ago I got all the way up to 98 pounds - next day 96. next day 98 then down to 94 - so yo-yo, but ultimately down to 89.3 as a new low. This morning I was 92.3 - but weight, for me now can not be depended on as a symptom of anything at all. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i know you take me seriously, i just wanted to make sure noone accused me of saying you had nervosa, i am glad i was clear enough, and yes you can swell and b dehydrated, IIRC dehydration is define in some way by what is the balance/concentration of what is in your blood, and by the nature of your weight alone, i am willing to bet you are in a constant state of dehydration, as to the foot thing i haven't a clue about that, but i can tell you what my physical therapist had me do for lower extremity swelling, it might be hard for you since you are thin enough it might be uncomfortable,... you lay on your back on the floor, you scoot up to a couch or other surface so you can put your legs from the knee down parell to the floor, so you are in a traditional sitting position except the back of the chair is the floor, the seat is what you are scooted up next to, and the flat surface parell to the floor is supporting your legs from the knee down, as you lay there and rest, occasionally in no particular time table point your toes then relax, I am not sure how painful that would be for you, but i can gaurentee it really helped my swelling, Lee "CatNipped" wrote in message ... Oh, I take you very seriously - and, technically as you said, I do have anorexia (just not anorexia nervosa which is, I think, the one that's more mental than physical). I have another appointment with my nutritionist and my PCP early next month and I was going to bring that up. I don't know how they treat anorexia, but that treatment may help me. Personally, though, I think it's the RSD, which scares me because all these new symptoms are signs of being in Stage Four ("End Stage"). All of these symptoms, combined, have no other explanation. Also, the edema I get in just the left foot, not the right could either have something to do with the dehydration or be the reason I can't be dehydrated. I don't know - it just seems the more I know about this the more questions I have about it. All I can do is just take things a day at a time. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.com/rpcablog/ "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... i was just wondering if part of this not absorbing is from being dehydrated, so if you could get something with eltrolights, sp it might help, and also i am going to suggest something here and i want you to take it like i mean it... even though we all know you are NOT annerexic, sp, what you describe are a lot of the symptoms of that condition, so i am wondering if you could go and read up on it and see if there are any medical treatments that might assist you, again, we all know this is NOT your condition but the results, dry mouth, weight loss/hair loss, gagging starving to hurling, are symptoms, so if there is a treatment, supplement, shake or pill or even an IV that helps these people it stands to reason it would help your symptoms, Lee "Yowie" wrote in message ... On 25/11/2010 5:15 AM, CatNipped wrote: Well, the funny thing is that when they did the heart catheter they found not a single bit of plaque, strictures or and damage to my arteries, and I had too *LOW* blood pressure (they would withhold my pain meds in the hospital until my blood pressure was over 80 (the top number, I forget whether it systolic or histolic). "Normal" blood pressure for me is 90/60 and they'll often have a hard time reading that (or don't believe their eyes since they'll invariably take it two or three times before writing it down. So salt is not a factor and there is no evidence of harm from saturated fat. They think now is that it was because of the RSD and pushing myself too hard that brought about the heart attack. More damaging to my heart/health is weighing on 89.5 pounds (as of this morning). Not that I think eating healthy is *bad*, only that it doesn't matter to the doctor or nutritionist *what* I eat as long as I get a lot more protein into my body. Best I can suggest is those 'protein shakes' that body builder types use to muscle up, or even going down to the health food shop and buying those amino acid supplement thingies (probably about as good as a 'protein shake', actually) Did a bit of a search and came across this site. It might be helpful: http://www.gainingweight.info/a-samp...o-gain-weight/ Yowie |
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