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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
hi carol, could you trim rpcc out of this thread? thanks, Lee
"cshenk" wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo keeper) can keep a dog from eating the cat food. I had a beagle, and there was no way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased. If it was there, he would eat it. Of course, if you don't have to work for a living, and have nothing better to do but police what your animals eat, then you could do it, but then, you would effectively be a zoo keeper. Us adults have to work for a living, and we leave our animals food while we are at work, and they will eat what they want to eat, and take it from me.....The beagles will eat the cat food, nitwit..... LOL, true. You *can't* really control most beagles around food left out. Oh, I know it isnt true of all of them (individual personality will come to play) but generally beagles will eat anything they can get at until they hurl. At least mine does and almost all other beagle owners I know say the same thing. I have a friend at work with an exception. She's got 4 beagles and one of them controls himself. He could be free-fed if it were not for the others. Grin, I work it this way. Cat eats at 0615 (same as Dog) but up on a bookshelf that she can reach and he can't. She's fed no more than we know she will eat for 'breakfast' (He's on a diet and would happily eat more). She sometimes drifts down to steal a dry kibble (oddly, he allows this with her but no one else. She can actually push his head over and grab one and she lets him). Daisy was totally kibble fed when we got her so we slowly converted her to wet. Took about 2 months as we wanted no rapid shifts while also taming down a semi-feral into a true house cat. About noon, then get a small broth with added fat (for their coats) 'noshe' delivered same way and come evening, 6pm they get fed again like for morning. This time Daisy may get a *small* sprinkle of the higher quality dry kibble (4-5 kibbles) and Cash-beagle gets wet added to his higher quality dry. The noon noshe is where the main interaction takes place. Daisy-cat may lap up all of hers and leave the meat scraps (leftover small bits of fish or chicken etc added, just a teaspoon or so for her in 3 TB broth). Cash however will fish out the meats (1 TB for him of minced meats and he happens to really like a green bean or so in there), lap up most of the broth (he gets about 1/2 cup) then eat his 'treat' green bean or 2 and wander off. Daisy comes down and laps up a bit more of his broth while he gets any meat bits left in her bowl delivered down where he can reach it. Works for us. I of course only get to to see the noon noshe only on weekends. (Don is retired but I'm still a youngun and working). Even with standard pet foods, the dog won't keel over if they get a little cat food sometimes, and the cat won't if thery get a little dog food sometimes. It's just not optimal long term. Dogs do not need added Taurine so it isnt add to commercial dog foods. Cats need it so it is added to theirs. |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
"Phil P." wrote in message news "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message news "Bill Graham" wrote in message news "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message news "cshenk" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i just never looked into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is harmless. No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough protein for cats. Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional requirements because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional requirements were met. Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why dogs get fat quickly when they eat cat food. Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they get enough of that stuff in the diet. Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat if she ate it for more than a few days. It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added thing the cats need No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats require. In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the lack of taurine, dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats cannot convert beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed vitamin-A. Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential fatty acid for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs synthesize arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from linoleic acid and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet. Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an intestinal enzyme, pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of the arginine precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein synthesis and ammonia detoxification. Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat foods contain at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog foods. Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and feed dogs dog food. http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any) cat? It's the dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat..... I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food won't hurt them either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt the dog. Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in dogs, nitwit. So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt". No- it comes down to feeding cat food to cats and dog food to dogs. That should be simple enough even for a babbling nitwit like you to understand. What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo keeper) can keep a dog from eating the cat food. You fail to understand because you're a nitwit. If you can't figure out how to feed the cats where the dog can't reach, then you're too dumb to have cats and dogs. I had a beagle, and there was no way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased. That's because the dog was smarter than you, nitwit. If you can't outsmart a dog, you'll *never* outsmart a cat! At least I know the difference..... That's a start... Now all you have to work on is which food the cat gets and which food the dog gets. |
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"cshenk" wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo keeper) can keep a dog from eating the cat food. I had a beagle, and there was no way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased. If it was there, he would eat it. Of course, if you don't have to work for a living, and have nothing better to do but police what your animals eat, then you could do it, but then, you would effectively be a zoo keeper. Us adults have to work for a living, and we leave our animals food while we are at work, and they will eat what they want to eat, and take it from me.....The beagles will eat the cat food, nitwit..... LOL, true. You *can't* really control most beagles around food left out. Oh, I know it isnt true of all of them (individual personality will come to play) but generally beagles will eat anything they can get at until they hurl. At least mine does and almost all other beagle owners I know say the same thing. I have a friend at work with an exception. She's got 4 beagles and one of them controls himself. He could be free-fed if it were not for the others. Grin, I work it this way. Cat eats at 0615 (same as Dog) but up on a bookshelf that she can reach and he can't. She's fed no more than we know she will eat for 'breakfast' (He's on a diet and would happily eat more). She sometimes drifts down to steal a dry kibble (oddly, he allows this with her but no one else. She can actually push his head over and grab one and she lets him). Daisy was totally kibble fed when we got her so we slowly converted her to wet. Took about 2 months as we wanted no rapid shifts while also taming down a semi-feral into a true house cat. About noon, then get a small broth with added fat (for their coats) 'noshe' delivered same way and come evening, 6pm they get fed again like for morning. This time Daisy may get a *small* sprinkle of the higher quality dry kibble (4-5 kibbles) and Cash-beagle gets wet added to his higher quality dry. The noon noshe is where the main interaction takes place. Daisy-cat may lap up all of hers and leave the meat scraps (leftover small bits of fish or chicken etc added, just a teaspoon or so for her in 3 TB broth). Cash however will fish out the meats (1 TB for him of minced meats and he happens to really like a green bean or so in there), lap up most of the broth (he gets about 1/2 cup) then eat his 'treat' green bean or 2 and wander off. Daisy comes down and laps up a bit more of his broth while he gets any meat bits left in her bowl delivered down where he can reach it. Works for us. I of course only get to to see the noon noshe only on weekends. (Don is retired but I'm still a youngun and working). Even with standard pet foods, the dog won't keel over if they get a little cat food sometimes, and the cat won't if thery get a little dog food sometimes. It's just not optimal long term. Dogs do not need added Taurine so it isnt add to commercial dog foods. Cats need it so it is added to theirs. Well, with 5 outside cats, I really can't ration what they eat....I leave them an effectively infinite amount of dry food all the time, and just put down a can or so of wet food every day for each one of then who wants it. I don't keep dogs, but the neighbors' dogs come by from time to time to eat whatever's available for them.....Since my wife and I feed raccoons, there is usually some cheap dog food available that they can eat.....We also find an occasional possum eating the raccoon food.....We both love animals and will feed pretty near anything we think is hungry whether it's wild or not. That's how we acquired a couple of our cats....They just turned up at the doorstep one day because they liked the taste/availability of our food...... Somebody sent me a u-tube clip of a couple who feeds wild deer every day at lunchtime.....It's a real kick....They have this huge pot of vegetable soup/stew, and they eat outside on their patio. 'they set out a dozen or so bowls on their table, and around lunchtime, the deer start showing up on their lawn.....Then they spoon out a portion of stew for each one and two for themselves, and the deer come right up to the table and eat their stew right out of their own bowls while the couple eats without paying any attention to them at all! |
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Male cat FLUTD UTI problems
Sorry for chiming in a bit late to the discussion, but I really feel like I need to add my 2 cents. Cats don't just pee on floors and beds because they're in pain - could be a multitude of other reasons! Most common is that male cats feel the need to mark their territory.
As for myself, I finally found something that works for the cat pee smell in my home! What a relief to finally have gotten rid of the horrible cat pee smell, and without any expensive sprays at that. Registered an account only to say this: One of my 2 cats (both neutered males) had taken to painting all of my walls, furniture, and anything else he could reach. I was horrified when I got a UV light. He never did that in all of the 9 years I've had him and didn't when I got him a buddy (they love each other and did so right away) but when a strange black cat started showing up outside both of my cats went nuts and the older one (9) started his wall painting, as well as the curtains out in the kitty room. I couldn't keep up with it. My cats are indoor cats so it's not like the stray is actually going to get in here but they both hate him (and he is weird...my neighbor's cats hate him too). I've tried cleaning with a pet urine enzyme and then spraying some "No More Spraying" but that hasn't worked. He's a sneaky little bugger too; he waits until he thinks I'm not looking and then does it. He's learned that the minute I see him backing his butt up to something he gets yelled at. It wasn't until I found "Cat Spraying No More" that I was able to finally get rid of this tiresome behavior. Now my house doesn't smell like a litter box anymore :smile: To be honest, I don't know too much about it so I did a quick Google search and here's a review I found: https://nomorecatpee.com/index.htm I'm based in Germany, by the way, so you should be able to get it too. Good luck! |
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