Enrofloxacin vs Orbafloxacin ?

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My cat Casper had her teeth cleaned a few weeks ago
and the vet told me that she had a high level of red
blood cell in her urine.

After 1 week of Clavamox the level was still high
and the urine culture results came back negative,
i.e. they weren't able to grow anything.

So my vet is saying that she probably has an infection
in the kidneys and wants her to take Enrofloxacin.

Today I faxed him the following article :

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00528.htm

"Enrofloxacin has recently been associated with retinal
degeneration in cats at the recommended dose rate.
Affected cats present with rapid onset of blindness
after systemic enrofloxacin administration. Affected
cats have typical lesions of retinal degeneration.
Discontinuation of enrofloxacin as soon as visual
problems are noted may result in improvement in vision
in some, but not all cases. No doubt guidelines will
be forthcoming regarding the use of enrofloxacin in
cats in view of increasing numbers of anecdotal adverse
reaction reports as well as published data or its
potential toxicity."

I asked him if Orbifloxacin (recommended by Phil) is safer
but he said that there are not enough statistics to show
that it is safer. He said there are a lot more statistics
on Enrofloxacin because it's been used on millions of cats
during the past 10 years. So I told him that I wanted to
think about it for a few days.

What would you do in this situation ?

Casper seems to be doing better and has gained back some
weight during the past week. She's recovering from IBD
and doesn't need Prednisone that much any more but this
probably has nothing to do with blood in the urine.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Chester,

I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see considerably
more animals per year than the average vet.

There's really no rational reason for using Baytril. Orbax is same-class
antibiotic, its safer, more potent, and requires a smaller dose... Its even
less expensive... which might free-up money for additional tests and
treatment, if needed, for people on a tight budget.

Remember, the extensive original efficacy testing found Baytril to be most
efficacious at 20 mg/kg... Now, after almost *5 years* of numerous reports
of blindness in cats, Bayer reduced the dosage by *75%* (5 mg/kg)... If
Baytril was *really* efficacious at *25%* of the original recommended dose,
why wasn't the *original* recommended dose 5 mg/kg??? Its the same
principal as taking 1/2 an aspirin instead of two and expecting the same
results...

So, if I were you, I would take the arguments by the Baytril proponents
with a grain a salt... Some people are awakened with a feather... Others
need to be hit with a sledgehammer before they wake up...

Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD? It contains a
single protein source. We've had *excellent* results with d/d in our IBD
cats.

Good luck.

Phil.

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

That's the smart play.



I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Just remember to make the transition to the d/d gradually - otherwise,
you'll defeat the purpose.

Best of luck.

Phil

wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

That's the smart play.



I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Just remember to make the transition to the d/d gradually - otherwise,
you'll defeat the purpose.

Best of luck.

Phil

wrote in message
nk.net...

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

That's the smart play.



I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Just remember to make the transition to the d/d gradually - otherwise,
you'll defeat the purpose.

Best of luck.

Phil

From:

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Hi Chester,
If your cat has IBD, I would highly recommend joining the Yahoo IBD group.
People there are very supportive and have first hand experiences to share about
their IBD cats and what diets have worked for them:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/

Also, here are a couple of interesting articles on feline nutrition:

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

As to the antibiotics, has the vet made a specific diagnosis where antibiotics
are clearly indicated?

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From:

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Hi Chester,
If your cat has IBD, I would highly recommend joining the Yahoo IBD group.
People there are very supportive and have first hand experiences to share about
their IBD cats and what diets have worked for them:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/

Also, here are a couple of interesting articles on feline nutrition:

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

As to the antibiotics, has the vet made a specific diagnosis where antibiotics
are clearly indicated?

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From:

"Phil P." wrote:
I would go with Orbax -- so do all four of our vets - who see
considerably more animals per year than the average vet.
...
Have you tried Hill's Prescription Diet d/d for Casper's IBD?
It contains a single protein source. We've had *excellent*
results with d/d in our IBD cats.

Thanks Phil. I'll ask my vet to write me a prescription for
Orbax or call the animal hospital to prescribe it for me.

I haven't tried Hill's d/d but I may be able to buy this from
the animal hospital too.

Hi Chester,
If your cat has IBD, I would highly recommend joining the Yahoo IBD group.
People there are very supportive and have first hand experiences to share about
their IBD cats and what diets have worked for them:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/

Also, here are a couple of interesting articles on feline nutrition:

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

As to the antibiotics, has the vet made a specific diagnosis where antibiotics
are clearly indicated?

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm