ibd + diabetes

Hi. My cat Al has had a rough go of it the last 6 months. First,
pancreatitis, which necessitated a week's stay in the hospital. Then,
hypoglycemia about 3 weeks ago---scared the sh*t out of me! It occurred
around midnight, and I was running red lights and stop signs getting Al
to the emergency vet (also happens to be my normal vet). And yesterday
Al had an endoscopy. The vet---a specialist, actually---took a biopsy.
The results will be back on Thursday. The vet doesn't think it's cancer;
he did notice that Al's intestinal lining was a bit inflamed and said
what he saw was consistent with ibd. Does anyone here have any
experience dealing with the ibd & diabetes combination? I know the
normal course of treatment for ibd is sterioids. But that interferes
with insulin. I'd very much like to hear about the experiences of other
cat owners who have had to deal with similar situations. Thanks.

Rich

From: Newsman

'd very much like to hear about the experiences of other
cat owners who have had to deal with similar situations. Thanks.


I highly recommend the IBD group on Yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: Newsman

'd very much like to hear about the experiences of other
cat owners who have had to deal with similar situations. Thanks.


I highly recommend the IBD group on Yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: (Liz)

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


Really?? It's that easy?? What nutritional basis do you have for making that
wild claim?

It was in another thread that you chastised folks for talking about things that
they weren't an expert on. Yet, here you are...doing just that!

Follow Liz's advice at your own risk!

From: (Liz)

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


Really?? It's that easy?? What nutritional basis do you have for making that
wild claim?

It was in another thread that you chastised folks for talking about things that
they weren't an expert on. Yet, here you are...doing just that!

Follow Liz's advice at your own risk!

Laura R. wrote:

circa 5 May 2004 13:57:30 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz
) said,

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement? Cripes.

Laura

Thanks to all for the suggestions. As far as the comment about raw meat
is concerned, I agree witht other posters. If raw meat was the miracle
cure for ibd and diabetes, I think my vet would have suggested that
dietary change a long time ago! It clearly isn't that simple. And
couldn't e coli be just as dangerous to a cat as it is to humans? I find
it hard to believe that the issue of food safety only concerns humans.

Also, a point of clarification. In a private email, someone suggested
that the hypoglycemic episode Al experienced occurred because his
diabetes is no longer a problem. That is NOT the case. What happened is
as follows. The vet wanted me to give Al Tylan powder mixed with canned
food to try and deal with Al's diarrhea problem (had I mentioned that?).
Al prefers dry food and didn't eat much of the canned food that I put
out for him. Nevertheless, I continued with the insulin injections. The
bottom line is that Al was receiving his normal dosage of insulin, but
not eating enough. It caught up with him on a Monday evening around
midnight. The episode was entirely my fault. Without insulin, Al drinks
like a fish. And his blood glucose level---just tested on Monday---was
quite high (he hadn't received insulin in nearly 24 hours prior to the
endoscopy). I hope this clarifies the situation for the person in question.

I get the results of Al's biopsy tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that it's not cancer. Thanks again for your comments.

Rich

Laura R. wrote:

circa 5 May 2004 13:57:30 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz
) said,

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement? Cripes.

Laura

Thanks to all for the suggestions. As far as the comment about raw meat
is concerned, I agree witht other posters. If raw meat was the miracle
cure for ibd and diabetes, I think my vet would have suggested that
dietary change a long time ago! It clearly isn't that simple. And
couldn't e coli be just as dangerous to a cat as it is to humans? I find
it hard to believe that the issue of food safety only concerns humans.

Also, a point of clarification. In a private email, someone suggested
that the hypoglycemic episode Al experienced occurred because his
diabetes is no longer a problem. That is NOT the case. What happened is
as follows. The vet wanted me to give Al Tylan powder mixed with canned
food to try and deal with Al's diarrhea problem (had I mentioned that?).
Al prefers dry food and didn't eat much of the canned food that I put
out for him. Nevertheless, I continued with the insulin injections. The
bottom line is that Al was receiving his normal dosage of insulin, but
not eating enough. It caught up with him on a Monday evening around
midnight. The episode was entirely my fault. Without insulin, Al drinks
like a fish. And his blood glucose level---just tested on Monday---was
quite high (he hadn't received insulin in nearly 24 hours prior to the
endoscopy). I hope this clarifies the situation for the person in question.

I get the results of Al's biopsy tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that it's not cancer. Thanks again for your comments.

Rich

Newsman wrote in message .. .
Laura R. wrote:

circa 5 May 2004 13:57:30 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz
) said,

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement? Cripes.

Laura

Thanks to all for the suggestions. As far as the comment about raw meat
is concerned, I agree witht other posters. If raw meat was the miracle
cure for ibd and diabetes, I think my vet would have suggested that
dietary change a long time ago! It clearly isn't that simple.

Vets do not have feline nutrition in college. They know what
manufacturers of commercial foods tell them. There´s an IBD group in
Yahoo that you can join. From what I was told, the group has over 1000
members and *all of them* got rid of IBD with a raw diet.

There are studies that show that fats or protein do not raise blood
sugar level in more than 2%. Therefore, a human or a cat would never
present hyperglicemia eating only proteins or fats. Meats are protein
and fat.

You don´t have to take my word for anything. Join that Yahoo group (I
believe Cheryl has the link) and look at some studies concerning
diabetes.

Gaubster is too lazy to read and he does nothing but repeat what his
employer tells him to say. His ignorance really gets on my nerves.

And
couldn't e coli be just as dangerous to a cat as it is to humans? I find
it hard to believe that the issue of food safety only concerns humans.

Also, a point of clarification. In a private email, someone suggested
that the hypoglycemic episode Al experienced occurred because his
diabetes is no longer a problem. That is NOT the case. What happened is
as follows. The vet wanted me to give Al Tylan powder mixed with canned
food to try and deal with Al's diarrhea problem (had I mentioned that?).
Al prefers dry food and didn't eat much of the canned food that I put
out for him. Nevertheless, I continued with the insulin injections. The
bottom line is that Al was receiving his normal dosage of insulin, but
not eating enough. It caught up with him on a Monday evening around
midnight. The episode was entirely my fault. Without insulin, Al drinks
like a fish. And his blood glucose level---just tested on Monday---was
quite high (he hadn't received insulin in nearly 24 hours prior to the
endoscopy). I hope this clarifies the situation for the person in question.

I get the results of Al's biopsy tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that it's not cancer. Thanks again for your comments.

Rich

Newsman wrote in message .. .
Laura R. wrote:

circa 5 May 2004 13:57:30 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz
) said,

If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.


How can you possibly make such a sweeping statement? Cripes.

Laura

Thanks to all for the suggestions. As far as the comment about raw meat
is concerned, I agree witht other posters. If raw meat was the miracle
cure for ibd and diabetes, I think my vet would have suggested that
dietary change a long time ago! It clearly isn't that simple.

Vets do not have feline nutrition in college. They know what
manufacturers of commercial foods tell them. There´s an IBD group in
Yahoo that you can join. From what I was told, the group has over 1000
members and *all of them* got rid of IBD with a raw diet.

There are studies that show that fats or protein do not raise blood
sugar level in more than 2%. Therefore, a human or a cat would never
present hyperglicemia eating only proteins or fats. Meats are protein
and fat.

You don´t have to take my word for anything. Join that Yahoo group (I
believe Cheryl has the link) and look at some studies concerning
diabetes.

Gaubster is too lazy to read and he does nothing but repeat what his
employer tells him to say. His ignorance really gets on my nerves.

And
couldn't e coli be just as dangerous to a cat as it is to humans? I find
it hard to believe that the issue of food safety only concerns humans.

Also, a point of clarification. In a private email, someone suggested
that the hypoglycemic episode Al experienced occurred because his
diabetes is no longer a problem. That is NOT the case. What happened is
as follows. The vet wanted me to give Al Tylan powder mixed with canned
food to try and deal with Al's diarrhea problem (had I mentioned that?).
Al prefers dry food and didn't eat much of the canned food that I put
out for him. Nevertheless, I continued with the insulin injections. The
bottom line is that Al was receiving his normal dosage of insulin, but
not eating enough. It caught up with him on a Monday evening around
midnight. The episode was entirely my fault. Without insulin, Al drinks
like a fish. And his blood glucose level---just tested on Monday---was
quite high (he hadn't received insulin in nearly 24 hours prior to the
endoscopy). I hope this clarifies the situation for the person in question.

I get the results of Al's biopsy tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that it's not cancer. Thanks again for your comments.

Rich

From: (Liz)

Vets do not have feline nutrition in college.

BALONEY! Liz, no matter how many times vets, techs, and others debunk this
myth of yours, you continue to persist. You'll never learn anything if
continue to cling to your unsubstantiated belief system. Vets deal with poor
nutrition in both dogs and cats on a DAILY basis. They have continuing
education as well that have nutritional components. You are simply wrong, once
again.

There´s an IBD group in
Yahoo that you can join. From what I was told, the group has over 1000
members and *all of them* got rid of IBD with a raw diet.

Yeah right! LOL!! Why do you open yourself up to such ridicule by making
these sweeping statements??!!

Gaubster is too lazy to read and he does nothing but repeat what his
employer tells him to say. His ignorance really gets on my nerves.


Oh boy!! Liz, you are always trying to be too smart by half. You end up being
the dumbest person in the room, instead. I'm not the only person to outright
challenge you on the dumb thing you said. Here's what you said again:
If you feed your cat raw meats you will get rid of both IBD and diabetes.

The problem with you is you can't ever back up anything you say. Instead you
give cruddy advice that will actually hurt if not outright, KILL somebody's cat
if they were to take your dangerous advice. You just try to change the subject
or impugn the person questioning you. Grow up. If Phil P saw what you posted,
he would go off on you! I'm self-employed by the way, so you can drop that
mantra of yours.