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  #11  
Old June 30th 04, 05:43 PM
Sunflower
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Sunflower wrote:
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Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter. He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.


  #12  
Old June 30th 04, 06:10 PM
Phil
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I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood. Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is in a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box.. She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted or

have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a covered

one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You may

want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W




  #13  
Old June 30th 04, 06:10 PM
Phil
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I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood. Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is in a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box.. She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted or

have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a covered

one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You may

want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W




  #14  
Old June 30th 04, 06:16 PM
Phil
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The vet said there was minor bladder infection, which has been eliminated.
More significantly, the breeder stated to us that the cat has urinated
outside the litter box on occasion during the 5 years she had her, from
kttenhood, even urinating on her directly. It was felt this would stop with
a loving home. Not so apparently. Your information on the rescue is
useful, and I will follow up on it.

- Phil

"Luvskats00" wrote in message
...

Bless you for trying to find a home for this special needs cat. Perhaps

there
is a medical problem..or it is behavioral. Can you get the vet to rule

out a
medical disability? If so, then maybe a cat behaviorist can help you work

out
this problem. A feline behaviorist is either a vet of a PHD who has

devoted a
career to cat behavior. I adopted a 6 year old spayed female last

September
(already having a then 4 year old neutered male). For 3 months, she

urinated
and deficated on the bedroom floor and on my bed. I was at my wits end. I
showered her with attention AND experimented with different litters. My

cats
had been using newspapers (not litter) for years. Since she didn't care

for
newspapers, I tried Fresh Step, store brand litter, and finally, Feline

Pine.
She loves Feline Pine (my other cat doesn't care for it) and uses the box

all
the time now.

If none of this is of interest, then please try to locate local cat rescue
groups (I live in NY and found 3-4 groups through Petco. They work with

them
and showcase adoptable cats in their retail stores.) Also, put up a flyer

with
local vets....This may be a special needs kitty..maybe not. Also, check

with
petfinder.com. I don't know if this website accepts private listings, but

if
you do a general search via location/cats, you will locate some local

rescue
groups in your area..maybe they can take your cat or post a listing while

you
play forster parent. Much good luck to you.



  #15  
Old June 30th 04, 06:16 PM
Phil
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The vet said there was minor bladder infection, which has been eliminated.
More significantly, the breeder stated to us that the cat has urinated
outside the litter box on occasion during the 5 years she had her, from
kttenhood, even urinating on her directly. It was felt this would stop with
a loving home. Not so apparently. Your information on the rescue is
useful, and I will follow up on it.

- Phil

"Luvskats00" wrote in message
...

Bless you for trying to find a home for this special needs cat. Perhaps

there
is a medical problem..or it is behavioral. Can you get the vet to rule

out a
medical disability? If so, then maybe a cat behaviorist can help you work

out
this problem. A feline behaviorist is either a vet of a PHD who has

devoted a
career to cat behavior. I adopted a 6 year old spayed female last

September
(already having a then 4 year old neutered male). For 3 months, she

urinated
and deficated on the bedroom floor and on my bed. I was at my wits end. I
showered her with attention AND experimented with different litters. My

cats
had been using newspapers (not litter) for years. Since she didn't care

for
newspapers, I tried Fresh Step, store brand litter, and finally, Feline

Pine.
She loves Feline Pine (my other cat doesn't care for it) and uses the box

all
the time now.

If none of this is of interest, then please try to locate local cat rescue
groups (I live in NY and found 3-4 groups through Petco. They work with

them
and showcase adoptable cats in their retail stores.) Also, put up a flyer

with
local vets....This may be a special needs kitty..maybe not. Also, check

with
petfinder.com. I don't know if this website accepts private listings, but

if
you do a general search via location/cats, you will locate some local

rescue
groups in your area..maybe they can take your cat or post a listing while

you
play forster parent. Much good luck to you.



  #16  
Old June 30th 04, 06:24 PM
Phil
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Well stated, however difficult it may be to accept. We, as a family, and
even the breeder, recognize what may have to be done. As you stated, we
also have to try and determine if the problem is at all fixable. If not,
then passing it along to another person is irresponsible. This is why I am
telling people exactly what they are getting. I know that makes it harder
to place the cat, but it is the right thing to do.

- Phil


"Sunflower" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Sunflower wrote:
snip
Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't

know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter.

He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane

Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it

to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all

that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a

cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the

cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.




  #17  
Old June 30th 04, 06:24 PM
Phil
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Well stated, however difficult it may be to accept. We, as a family, and
even the breeder, recognize what may have to be done. As you stated, we
also have to try and determine if the problem is at all fixable. If not,
then passing it along to another person is irresponsible. This is why I am
telling people exactly what they are getting. I know that makes it harder
to place the cat, but it is the right thing to do.

- Phil


"Sunflower" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Sunflower wrote:
snip
Recommending euthanasia without even getting details of what has been
done so far is unconscionable and reprehensible. The owner hasn't even
tried medication, which cures the majority of cats with this issue, and
it also should be noted that this behavior happens once every few weeks,
which makes the likelihood of correcting this problem even better.
Telling him to kill the cat is disgusting on your part.

Megan




No, it's reality. I'm sorry if you don't like it. THe OP wants to rehome
the cat. Period. He wasn't looking for suggestions as to try to deal with
the problem. He "says" the vet found no problems, and although I don't

know
what types of testing the OP had done, at this point, it doesn't matter.

He
wants the cat gone. And as far as "medication" to cure the anxiety
urination issues, it only works about 20% of the time. Yes, I know from
personal experience on that one, as well as working with our Humane

Society.

There isn't one single sane person on the planet who *wants* to live in a
home with a cat peeing all over it. Sure, we do sometimes when we think
it's a short term issue that can be cured, but other than making the cat
live in isolation in a room fully able to be washed down and disinfected
constantly, there has to be some sort of progress in the behavior for it

to
be at all tolerated. We share our homes with animals on the expectation
that they will modify their natural instincts somewhat to suit our human
fastidiousness. If the animal can't adapt to being in a home, then all

that
is left is being outside, euthanasia, or life in a cage. A good death is
preferable to a bad life in my opinion and I consider a life spent in a

cage
a bad life.

So the truth is, you have a unadoptible animal to anyone who knows the
story. What is going to happen to this animal? He'll dump it off at the
shelter where it'll be euthanized by strangers or someone else picks the
animal out not knowing the past behavior to give a home to and starts to
experience the same behavior, and repeats the cycle. How cruel to the

cat
is that?

Better to accept the full responsibility of pet ownership and have the
animal euthanized than to pass the problem along to strangers and totally
traumatize the cat in it's last moments.




  #18  
Old June 30th 04, 07:36 PM
Electric Nachos
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What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have
killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!!

I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would
never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What kind
of human are you!?!?

Just throw the damn thing outside. CATS LIKE TO BE OUTSIDE!!!!!!!

Sunflower wrote in message ...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil




This is not the description of a cat that is easily rehomed. I can see why
rescue hasn't gotten back to you. Most likely given her history, she will
be euthanized or cruelly spend the rest of her life in a small cage if they
even take her. If you have any affection for this animal, then take her in
to the vet yourself and have her euthanized. I understand why she can't be
a part of your family, but no other family is going to want her either.

You
owe it to her to make sure her last moments on earth are with the family

she
knows and loves now. I know it's hard for you to euthanize her, but it's
part of the bargain you made when you gave her a home in the first place.
If you cannot provide her with a good life, at least provide her with a

good
death.






  #19  
Old June 30th 04, 07:36 PM
Electric Nachos
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What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have
killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!!

I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would
never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What kind
of human are you!?!?

Just throw the damn thing outside. CATS LIKE TO BE OUTSIDE!!!!!!!

Sunflower wrote in message ...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil




This is not the description of a cat that is easily rehomed. I can see why
rescue hasn't gotten back to you. Most likely given her history, she will
be euthanized or cruelly spend the rest of her life in a small cage if they
even take her. If you have any affection for this animal, then take her in
to the vet yourself and have her euthanized. I understand why she can't be
a part of your family, but no other family is going to want her either.

You
owe it to her to make sure her last moments on earth are with the family

she
knows and loves now. I know it's hard for you to euthanize her, but it's
part of the bargain you made when you gave her a home in the first place.
If you cannot provide her with a good life, at least provide her with a

good
death.






  #20  
Old June 30th 04, 08:07 PM
Wendy
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"Electric Nachos" [email protected]****er wrote in message
...
What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have
killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!!

I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would
never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What

kind
of human are you!?!?

Just throw the damn thing outside. CATS LIKE TO BE OUTSIDE!!!!!!!

not touching the inside outside debate with a 10 ft pole

Are you suggesting this cat be left out 24/7?

If not why do you thing putting the cat outside will stop the peeing when
she's inside?

W


 




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