declawing

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Yes, they should, but a 12 to 14 month old baby is NOT old
enough to be told "no" so has to be protected from overly
aggressive cats.

I am not going to apologize for helping my sister get booger
declawed. This was an unusual case of a cat that tended to
swipe more than any cat I've ever known... It will also
protect the adults.

I had Max declawed because of aggression. But not because he
scratched me, I get scratched all the time anyway.

He was rough with the other cats. Not mean, really, he just
played hard. He tackles with such force, they make a loud
thunk when they hit the floor. Occassionally, one gets it's
nose scratched, but he's not the only one that does that.

Unfortunately, Max doesn't get along with the dog. They never
have liked each other. The dog will just be standing next to
the couch and here comes Max, slinking out from behind it.
Then he jumps on the end table and smacks the dog in the face.
He got him in the eye once and almost blinded him.

Max laughed at the Soft Paws and chewed them off in two days.
Nail trimming? Out of the question. He howls, kicks, bites,
claws...by the end of it, he's panting. To keep his nails
dull, this needed to be done once a week.

Trying to keep from declawing him caused more stress than
declawing him. So, he had the laser surgery. His paws were
never tender and he's never had any trouble. In fact, he
behaves exactly as he did before. Except now, he can't put
anybody's eye out.

Thank you. :-)

Katra

Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut
gallery?

Yes, I did notice...
I got raked over the coals for helping my sister to declaw ONE
cat, while caring for 36 others without even considering the
surgery. This post by someone else got ignored.

What's up with that?

It was my post. They must be afraid of me.

Hey, Katra, did you even THINK of trying Soft Paws?

Karen

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You have one declawed cat that has no problems? Well, I'm
convinced. Golly gee, I should have seen it. That settles that.
One cat had no problems at all. Must be safe. Thanks!

I've been around hundreds of declawed cats. Only one had a problem,
and that was with the nails trying to grow back because the surgery was
botched. I've never heard of any of them having pain or tenderness, or
limping, or walking funny.


Hundreds? I assume you work at a vet or shelter? You were around them
their whole lives to see if they had any behavioral problems that
developed, any walking problems that developed, etc...?
You should write a study. We need more.

And was that one cat worth it?

The surgery poses no benefits at all for the cat - is the risk that such
a horrible thing as regrowth can happen worth the human's mere
convenience?
Oh, I forgot, it's just a cat. Silly me.

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enlightened us with...

You have one declawed cat that has no problems? Well, I'm
convinced. Golly gee, I should have seen it. That settles that.
One cat had no problems at all. Must be safe. Thanks!

I've been around hundreds of declawed cats. Only one had a problem,
and that was with the nails trying to grow back because the surgery was
botched. I've never heard of any of them having pain or tenderness, or
limping, or walking funny.


Hundreds? I assume you work at a vet or shelter? You were around them
their whole lives to see if they had any behavioral problems that
developed, any walking problems that developed, etc...?
You should write a study. We need more.

And was that one cat worth it?

The surgery poses no benefits at all for the cat - is the risk that such
a horrible thing as regrowth can happen worth the human's mere
convenience?
Oh, I forgot, it's just a cat. Silly me.

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Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery?


Why repeat ourselves. You've heard it all and didn't give a darn anyway.


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In article ,
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Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery?


Why repeat ourselves. You've heard it all and didn't give a darn anyway.


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*~*SooZy*~* wrote:

You flung that poor little innocent WILD mouse accross
the room??? You heartless bitch! You are lucky it
survived... They are pretty delicate.

I think you are mincing her words! she did say "no
control over my reflex action"

Thank you, Soozy....I felt terrible when I did it, but it
*was* just a totally reflex reaction. And I didn't expect
the mouse to bite, because I've taken them off my cat before
and they never did. It was ironic that this one bit me just
seconds after my husband said, "You know, they do
bite,
don't you?"

Ann

yes I can imagine how it was...... it all happens so
quickly!



It does happen quickly. Just like dog bites and cat scratches.


Score... ;-)


exactly :-) that's why we should make sure young children are not
left unsupervised with pets



Even supervised, they can still get bit or scratched.

tell me something I don't know!

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"bewtifulfreak" wrote in
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*~*SooZy*~* wrote:

You flung that poor little innocent WILD mouse accross
the room??? You heartless bitch! You are lucky it
survived... They are pretty delicate.

I think you are mincing her words! she did say "no
control over my reflex action"

Thank you, Soozy....I felt terrible when I did it, but it
*was* just a totally reflex reaction. And I didn't expect
the mouse to bite, because I've taken them off my cat before
and they never did. It was ironic that this one bit me just
seconds after my husband said, "You know, they do
bite,
don't you?"

Ann

yes I can imagine how it was...... it all happens so
quickly!



It does happen quickly. Just like dog bites and cat scratches.


Score... ;-)


exactly :-) that's why we should make sure young children are not
left unsupervised with pets



Even supervised, they can still get bit or scratched.

tell me something I don't know!

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My kids would know better. I certainly did.

Kids only know what their parents bother to teach them. Small
children incapable of knowing how to treat an animal shouldn't be
around them unsupervised. I wasn't.

A kid doesn't have to be unsupervised to get bit. It only takes
seconds.


I suppose. I can't say never. I can only say in my whole life, family,
friends, and experience, I've never seen it happen. I'm talking tha
family pet, not those horrible dog attacks in the news or something.


Your pity should be reserved for your own kids if they don't have
a parent who cares enough to teach them how to respect animals. It
is for their own safety as much as for the animals. If you don't
know that by now, there's nothing I can do for you.

I never said it was ok for kids to mistreat animals. Why do you insist
on an either/or scenario? If a kid hurts an animal, they should be
corrected. But not by the animal. The animal is not the
disciplinarian. There's a whole list of other ways the animal can
react. They should never be allowed to hurt a child.


And I never said the animal was the disciplinarian. I said one should
expect to get injured if one injures the family pet. In fact, I
specifically said parents need to teach their children how to act around
pets, and as far as I'm concerned, that includes discipline for being
rough. If the kid is too rough and gets nipped or scratched, well, he
just learned a valuable lesson. Cause and effect. Has nothing to do with
discipline.

Note: I'm not talking about a pet attacking the kid, here. I'm talking
reflexive action, not deliberate malice. If I had an animal I thought
was aggressive or might hurt my child, that animal would never be near
my child.

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In article ,
enlightened us with...
My kids would know better. I certainly did.

Kids only know what their parents bother to teach them. Small
children incapable of knowing how to treat an animal shouldn't be
around them unsupervised. I wasn't.

A kid doesn't have to be unsupervised to get bit. It only takes
seconds.


I suppose. I can't say never. I can only say in my whole life, family,
friends, and experience, I've never seen it happen. I'm talking tha
family pet, not those horrible dog attacks in the news or something.


Your pity should be reserved for your own kids if they don't have
a parent who cares enough to teach them how to respect animals. It
is for their own safety as much as for the animals. If you don't
know that by now, there's nothing I can do for you.

I never said it was ok for kids to mistreat animals. Why do you insist
on an either/or scenario? If a kid hurts an animal, they should be
corrected. But not by the animal. The animal is not the
disciplinarian. There's a whole list of other ways the animal can
react. They should never be allowed to hurt a child.


And I never said the animal was the disciplinarian. I said one should
expect to get injured if one injures the family pet. In fact, I
specifically said parents need to teach their children how to act around
pets, and as far as I'm concerned, that includes discipline for being
rough. If the kid is too rough and gets nipped or scratched, well, he
just learned a valuable lesson. Cause and effect. Has nothing to do with
discipline.

Note: I'm not talking about a pet attacking the kid, here. I'm talking
reflexive action, not deliberate malice. If I had an animal I thought
was aggressive or might hurt my child, that animal would never be near
my child.

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Funny how you missed the entire point below. The post had nothing
to do with why people give up cats - I said there are already
declawed cats at shelters if you want one. You don't need to
mutilate one that has its claws.

Then why is the number of declawed cats at the shelter "funny"?


If you have such comprehension problems, I give up.

If you disagree with a point, do try to counter-point with
something relevant, eh?

I did. You might want to try paying closer attention.


You might try actually making one.

Forget it.
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