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  #21  
Old April 5th 05, 03:14 AM
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"Ashley" wrote in message
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And you prove exactly my point. You are extraordinarily risk averse. You
impose that risk aversion on your cats. I choose not to live in fear.


Well, congratulations Ashley. You win. You win the right to remain
ignorant, you win the right to put your cats at risk. I'll only beat my
head against a brick wall until it hurts. You, obviously, are willing to be
bloodied. So, go ahead, bang away, I'm outta here - I have to go apologize
profusely to my cats for making their lives so miserable.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old April 5th 05, 03:26 AM
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"Diane L. Schirf" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

ROTFLMAOWTIME!! OK folks, hang it up, the ultimate argument on this

issue
has been made. Ashley's vet said cats should go outside, so now all of

you
go open your doors and let your cats outside (be sure to take the balls

and
chains off first!).

Hugs,

CatNipped


I opened my door, and Hodge ran into the hall. Now if only the elevator
door would open. And if only he could hit the 1 button. And then if the
desk attendant would be so kind as to open the two doors downstairs.

Or I could leave the window and screens open, but 12 floors might be a
bit much for his 9 lives.


I once opened the door inadvertantly (failed to close it, more like)
and Cheeks ran right out front. She came back inside within three seconds,
I think because I shrieked and cried and called her name. There is a busy
street out front. The funny thing is, she has not tried this again. Now she
runs when anyone opens the door.


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Old April 5th 05, 03:27 AM
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"Ashley" wrote in message
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
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Ashley, I don't need to read anything on this subject. Unlike some I

have
two assets which tell me what to do about my cats regarding keeping them
in
or letting them out, they're called common sense and observational

skills.


You still don't get it, do you? I am not in the United States. My cats do
not face the dangers cats in the United States face. The world outside

your
borders is different.


There are cars in your urban neighborhood, therefore your cats are in
danger.


  #24  
Old April 5th 05, 04:01 AM
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OK, this little debate has become a little too nasty. I respect both
opinions, indoor & outdoor... Both have strong reasons behind them &
basically it comes down to personal choice.

My own choice is to let the cats outdoors... Only in the daytime. They both
got gentle introductions to the outside world, short 10 min sessions with me
a few times a week, building up to a leashed walk (much of which each of
them spent inside my vest) to TED.

Meghan: NZ does exist in an enviornmental bubble, it's an isolated set of
Islands... Almost all large mamals are imported & considered 'Noxious'. The
population is low & even an 'urban' enviornment in NZ would be considered
'large town' to 'Small City' in the USA.

Catnipped: Relax darling.... I know your indoor cats will live forever &
you can say 'I told you so' when either Chablis or Muscat turn up dead of a
car hit or a bear attack (although, Chablis has befreinded the local skunks
& that makes it an even match in my book)... But some people are just not
going to agree with you. Think back to your 'American Bashing' thread....

As I've been typing this, Chablis has just come in from her sunset stroll,
she's fine. I mean, aside from the missing paw, chewed up tail, facial
lacerations & the jug of antifreeze she's sipping on, she's fine. Have some
catnip & shake it off little girl.

Toung still firmly in cheek...

--
Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas


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Old April 5th 05, 04:06 AM
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"Mathew Kagis" wrote in message
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OK, this little debate has become a little too nasty. I respect both
opinions, indoor & outdoor... Both have strong reasons behind them &
basically it comes down to personal choice.

My own choice is to let the cats outdoors... Only in the daytime. They

both
got gentle introductions to the outside world, short 10 min sessions with

me
a few times a week, building up to a leashed walk (much of which each of
them spent inside my vest) to TED.

Meghan: NZ does exist in an enviornmental bubble, it's an isolated set of
Islands... Almost all large mamals are imported & considered 'Noxious'.

The
population is low & even an 'urban' enviornment in NZ would be considered
'large town' to 'Small City' in the USA.

Catnipped: Relax darling.... I know your indoor cats will live forever &
you can say 'I told you so' when either Chablis or Muscat turn up dead of

a
car hit or a bear attack (although, Chablis has befreinded the local

skunks
& that makes it an even match in my book)... But some people are just not
going to agree with you. Think back to your 'American Bashing' thread....

As I've been typing this, Chablis has just come in from her sunset stroll,
she's fine. I mean, aside from the missing paw, chewed up tail, facial
lacerations & the jug of antifreeze she's sipping on, she's fine. Have

some
catnip & shake it off little girl.

Toung still firmly in cheek...


Some of us get upset even at the thought of others endangering
cats. I am one of them. It upsets me that you endanger your cats.
In addition I resent your condescending tone. I may lighten up about
lots of things but not the safety of cats. It's like telling someone who
wants you to give them your keys when you're drunk, "Hey, haha
why are your knickers in a knot, lighten up! Maybe I'll hit something
or someone or maybe I won't, but I don't want to deprive myself
of the fun so I will take that chance."

Be an irresponsible asshole if you want, but do not try to dictate
to those of us who care more than you do and take our responsibility
toward these domesticated animals more seriously than you do.


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Old April 5th 05, 04:13 AM
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SNIP

Some of us get upset even at the thought of others endangering
cats. I am one of them. It upsets me that you endanger your cats.
In addition I resent your condescending tone. I may lighten up about
lots of things but not the safety of cats. It's like telling someone who
wants you to give them your keys when you're drunk, "Hey, haha
why are your knickers in a knot, lighten up! Maybe I'll hit something
or someone or maybe I won't, but I don't want to deprive myself
of the fun so I will take that chance."

Be an irresponsible asshole if you want, but do not try to dictate
to those of us who care more than you do and take our responsibility
toward these domesticated animals more seriously than you do.


......And it continues to be nasty. And I will continue to condecend as long
as people are calling me names like 'Irresponsible' and 'Asshole'.
Comparing letting cats outside to letting someone drive drunk is BLOODY
REDICULOUS!!!! And as a lounge/restaraunt manager, certified by the
government in responsible liquor service, I know of what I speak.

CHILL OUT!

--

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas


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Old April 5th 05, 04:20 AM
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"Mathew Kagis" wrote in message
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SNIP

Some of us get upset even at the thought of others endangering
cats. I am one of them. It upsets me that you endanger your cats.
In addition I resent your condescending tone. I may lighten up about
lots of things but not the safety of cats. It's like telling someone who
wants you to give them your keys when you're drunk, "Hey, haha
why are your knickers in a knot, lighten up! Maybe I'll hit something
or someone or maybe I won't, but I don't want to deprive myself
of the fun so I will take that chance."

Be an irresponsible asshole if you want, but do not try to dictate
to those of us who care more than you do and take our responsibility
toward these domesticated animals more seriously than you do.


.....And it continues to be nasty. And I will continue to condecend as

long
as people are calling me names like 'Irresponsible' and 'Asshole'.
Comparing letting cats outside to letting someone drive drunk is BLOODY
REDICULOUS!!!!


In what way? In both situations you are intentionally allowing an
activity that could maim or kill.


And as a lounge/restaraunt manager, certified by the
government in responsible liquor service, I know of what I speak.

CHILL OUT!


Oh, now that always works to get people to NOT care about things
they care about. Oh, no, that's right--it never works.

For you, cats are replaceable. Expendable. Some of us treasure
ours as family members. That is the difference. And, some of us
get upset even about others endangering these trusting creatures.
You are mistaken to think that you can or should tell others how
much to care about these matters. You're happy to take your
chances with your cats' safety. I think that's sad--for your cats,
mostly. Many of us are not, and are not happy that you are.
So---no. No chilling on this topic. And I don't want to hear
about it when your cats get hurt or go missing.




--

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas




  #28  
Old April 5th 05, 04:37 AM
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"Mary" wrote in message
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SNIP
.....And it continues to be nasty. And I will continue to condecend as

long
as people are calling me names like 'Irresponsible' and 'Asshole'.
Comparing letting cats outside to letting someone drive drunk is BLOODY
REDICULOUS!!!!


In what way? In both situations you are intentionally allowing an
activity that could maim or kill.


..... As I do whenever I step out the door, or go on a ski run or allow
anyone I know to do anything other than stay housebound...OOPS!!! But the
house might burn down so they should'nt do that either.

SNIP

For you, cats are replaceable. Expendable. Some of us treasure
ours as family members. That is the difference. And, some of us
get upset even about others endangering these trusting creatures.
You are mistaken to think that you can or should tell others how
much to care about these matters. You're happy to take your
chances with your cats' safety. I think that's sad--for your cats,
mostly. Many of us are not, and are not happy that you are.
So---no. No chilling on this topic. And I don't want to hear
about it when your cats get hurt or go missing.


My cat's are replaceable? You don't know anything about me, and your
judging of me is an even larger incentive to be condecending. You don't
have to hear about when my cats get hurt, just killfile me...

If your still reading... I'm continually amazed at how many folks think
letting a meat eating predator (ie. cats) outside is a HORRIBLE thing. The
VENOM released by militant indoor cat owners is even more shocking. I
respect your choice to keep your cats confined in an artificial enviornment,
I choose different. I would suggest that your anger, venom & fear has
little to do with your desire to see your cats happy... and alot to do with
YOUR FEAR!!! Don't let your cats out, terrorists will get them.....

--

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas






  #29  
Old April 5th 05, 04:45 AM
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"Mathew Kagis" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
...

SNIP
.....And it continues to be nasty. And I will continue to condecend

as
long
as people are calling me names like 'Irresponsible' and 'Asshole'.
Comparing letting cats outside to letting someone drive drunk is

BLOODY
REDICULOUS!!!!


In what way? In both situations you are intentionally allowing an
activity that could maim or kill.


.... As I do whenever I step out the door, or go on a ski run or allow
anyone I know to do anything other than stay housebound...OOPS!!! But the
house might burn down so they should'nt do that either.

SNIP

For you, cats are replaceable. Expendable. Some of us treasure
ours as family members. That is the difference. And, some of us
get upset even about others endangering these trusting creatures.
You are mistaken to think that you can or should tell others how
much to care about these matters. You're happy to take your
chances with your cats' safety. I think that's sad--for your cats,
mostly. Many of us are not, and are not happy that you are.
So---no. No chilling on this topic. And I don't want to hear
about it when your cats get hurt or go missing.


My cat's are replaceable? You don't know anything about me, and your
judging of me is an even larger incentive to be condecending. You don't
have to hear about when my cats get hurt, just killfile me...

If your still reading... I'm continually amazed at how many folks think
letting a meat eating predator (ie. cats) outside is a HORRIBLE thing.


Oh please. What chance has a cat got against a car? Or a dog?
Be honest.

The
VENOM released by militant indoor cat owners is even more shocking. I
respect your choice to keep your cats confined in an artificial

enviornment,
I choose different. I would suggest that your anger, venom & fear has
little to do with your desire to see your cats happy... and alot to do

with
YOUR FEAR!!! Don't let your cats out, terrorists will get them.....


Nonsense. You are neglecting your responsibilities to your pets.
Those of us who keep them indoors are not. It's very simple.
Having seen many animals maimed and killed by cars etc., I
and others feel strongly about this. You are wrong for endangering
the animals that trust you. If you felt your cats were irreplaceable
you would not endanger them. No venom in that. What you hate,
and others who are equally irresponsible hate, is being reminded
of what you are really doing when you let them out unattended.
For your cats' sakes, you should be reminded. The "venom" as
you put it, is on your side.


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Old April 5th 05, 04:51 AM
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SNIP

Nonsense. You are neglecting your responsibilities to your pets.
Those of us who keep them indoors are not. It's very simple.
Having seen many animals maimed and killed by cars etc., I
and others feel strongly about this. You are wrong for endangering
the animals that trust you. If you felt your cats were irreplaceable
you would not endanger them. No venom in that. What you hate,
and others who are equally irresponsible hate, is being reminded
of what you are really doing when you let them out unattended.
For your cats' sakes, you should be reminded. The "venom" as
you put it, is on your side.


Sure, whatever you say.... You are now on my 'militant, angry, needs to get
laid' KILLFILE LIST. Have an angry life, oh, I foregot, you allready are.

--

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas


 




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