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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational
table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely naïve. I regularly post questions to electronics groups here on USENET. I'll be happy to further discuss the issue in any such electronics group. Fifteen amps is more than enough to burn a hole through your cat's mouth. And yet it does not exceed a typical outlet's current sourcing ability. And that current can be sourced indefinitely. Just like running a 15 amp vacuum cleaner. When you cut through a wire that's plugged into the wall, the current is going from one wire to the other. And it goes BOOM! And part of your tool is gone. That's because a certain amount of time is required to trip a circuit breaker. In that extremely short time time, hundreds (a rough estimate) of amps flow from one wire to the other. Again... I'm not talking about current going someplace else. I'm talking about current flowing through your cat's mouth as if it's an electrical circuit, or as if you have accidentally cut through a wire with a conductive device. If you don't believe me, again, do it yourself. Remove the cord from some electrical device. Make sure that the wires are not touching each other at the severed end. Plug the wire into the wall. Put on some rubber gloves or find some other way to insulate yourself. Cut the wire with diagonal cutting pliers. It will freak you out, guaranteed. And be sure your circuit breakers are working properly before you do so. And be sure to make the video... -- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.bbs-scene.org!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com! Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com !nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!ne ws.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:11:50 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:11:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 101 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-mfp+wPmqB1e21MfBSAfsUSsbI4OTPQgygzDQC/NltwidnNycKzn76ZDvTQVsVB7Rx4FwkJ/DUKtIY9R!NQpmE635/hIs3dH8o4etZG6eITisFhwg5mOaLmiKSXQoOQQg0KZ8SU6U27V MJCp3kEws4e2ZBVOp X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6254 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11367 free.usenet:4635430 free.spirit:1104 John Doe wrote: Anybody who knows anything about electricity would know what I am talking about. I'm talking about current flowing from one wire to the other through your cat's mouth. It has nothing to do with current flowing through your cat to a tub of water or whatever. There is no abnormal current flow, your cat's mouth acts like a circuit. I don't need to ask an electrician, I know plenty about electricity and electronics. Besides, I've experienced the thing. Again... All you have to do is test your theory. And please record the video... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giga news.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:15:25 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:15:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 31 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-CSnPIBcLEn6273xLElN0XFzNNwuSA5fyTvF34V8OdorrILGVOl 0Kf5/8KRva0NTxxqrb11l7wGSA1U1!Ah17ogBWBSfTEE6+HjdIfXxxi 91NK07voWx3+G45CGSD5753LcybmsWKS+F+9Mp5qUkxPuyOQjB G X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3267 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11359 free.usenet:4630323 free.spirit:1100 John Doe wrote: Circuit breakers have been used for ages (here in the United States). They are used on every circuit in a house. Problem is, in order to detect a short circuit, current must be extremely high (at least over the outlet's rated current). If you think it's not going to hurt your cats, test your theory by cutting through a wire that's plugged into the wall. Be sure to make a video. In case it kills you, leave a note for somebody else to upload the video. What you will probably experience is a "BOOM" followed by the circuit breaker tripping. And you will notice a piece of your diagonal cutting pliers is missing. It would be like setting off a firecracker in your cat's mouth. You either didn't read my post, or don't understand it. I am talking about a special kind of circuit breaker, called, "Ground Fault Interrupter" Circuit breakers. These detect very small amounts of current leaking to ground, and pull the breaker immediately when they do. Current drawn between one side of the line and the other doesn't count. Its current drawn to the ground on grounded devices that trips the breaker when it is less than 10 milliaMPS. they use them maiunly in baths and kitchens where there is water, but there is no reason why they can't be usede anywhere in the house, as long as there exists a ground to draw the current. Most electrical cords arent shielded, so the GFI wouldn;t work. But you casn get shielded cords for anything, and as long ss the shield is grounded at the Circuit Breaker end, it will trip the breaker as soon as 10 milliamps of ground current is detected. When a cat chews through the shield and hits a live wire, the ground current through the shield will trip the breaker. Ask an elecftrician about them.... He wiull be able to install them anywhere in your home that you please. GFI's have been around for many years. They automatically pull the breaker before any high current gets into your cat's mouth. If you, "know all about electricity" then you should know about GFI's. I sent you a link. If you donl;t want to read it or learn anything, that's your business. I have completed my obligation. You can lead someone to knowlkege, but you can't make him learn... |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote: If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely naïve. FWIW, I've seen video demonstrations several times over the past few years, though to be fair the tests are conducted with raw hot dogs and not human fingers. Don't ask me to explain the electronics of it. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
Full of **** up to its eyebrows...
-- infodex mindspring.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:44:14 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sIctFERd0MvkmEDUhyMkBQq1qcKnOWMxG2WxyCbk0HdkD5lQlO Cancel-Lock: sha1:YKOvFr1qeu1j82ye1XRT7FJnn30= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11369 free.usenet:4635455 free.spirit:1106 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely na‹ve. FWIW, I've seen video demonstrations several times over the past few years, though to be fair the tests are conducted with raw hot dogs and not human fingers. Don't ask me to explain the electronics of it. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
Firstly... This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of
kittens chewing on electrical cords. Secondly... Nobody in any video on YouTube intentionally sticks their hand into a saw blade. That's so ridiculous, it's funny. Even if the claim of stopping the blade in 1/8 second is true, those blades spin at 10 revolutions per 1/10 second. That means you get cut over 600 times using a 60-tooth blade. The saw stop thing should be taken to a group like (alt.home.repair) or (rec.woodworking). Currently I'm in both of those groups. Tell them about sticking your hand into a saw blade... -- infodex mindspring.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:47:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net V7ig75SBGTId60lVg9rrLADnvGQCGCeI/2w+JD4RPSUqSM8jSp Cancel-Lock: sha1:OAk0z2k4j41tcdK9UGOZ9qLuwuk= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11371 free.usenet:4635498 free.spirit:1109 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
On 9/9/2013 1:16 AM, Bill Graham wrote:
John Doe wrote: My first critical application of upside down packaging tape was to keep my cat off of the windowsill in a cat-hostile apartment complex. Now that I'm temporarily fostering three kittens... They start chewing on a group of electrical cords in a very small area on the floor. Put two pieces of 4 inch long packaging tape among the electrical cords. Reapplied as necessary. I just love it when they start whining about having the tape stuck to them, and I get to come to their rescue It's like cat correction heaven. One half hour to one hour later, no more chewing on the electrical cords. BOOM. If you've ever seen what household current can do to tool-steel in an instant (like when you accidentally cut through it), you will freak out at the thought of your cats accidentally chewing through an electrical cord. It just can't happen. It helps to put ground fault protectors on all your circuits. that way, as soon as some groung current is drawn, the breaker trips and the cat probably won't feel a thing. This is especially true if your electricasl wires are swhielded by grounded woven steel cables, The cats will have to chew through those first, and then as soon as it bites into the hot wire, the ground current will trip the breaker off and it won't come back on until/unless you reset it. Most new houses have these in the bathrooms and kitchens, but there is no reason why you couldn't put them throughout your house. They are great for young pets and children who are likely to mess with the wiring. I don't like to get involved in a private fight but when the stakes are life and death, I'll say something. Bill, first you need the short for the GFI to trip and when the short's through the mouth, the damage has already been done. LNC |
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John Doe wrote:
Full of **** up to its eyebrows... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:44:14 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sIctFERd0MvkmEDUhyMkBQq1qcKnOWMxG2WxyCbk0HdkD5lQlO Cancel-Lock: sha1:YKOvFr1qeu1j82ye1XRT7FJnn30= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11369 free.usenet:4635455 free.spirit:1106 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely na‹ve. FWIW, I've seen video demonstrations several times over the past few years, though to be fair the tests are conducted with raw hot dogs and not human fingers. Don't ask me to explain the electronics of it. The saw blade is isolated from ground. The operator is not. When the operator touches the saw blade some ground current is drawn. Even if a very small amount of this current is detected, it is amplified and used to open the breaker to the saw, and energise the device that stops the blade. This happens so fast that the blade is stopped in less than 1/10 of a tooth distance, so the operator's fingers aren't harmed. But the main point of this discuwsion concerned opening the breaker so fast thqt the cat (or chilod) isn't harmed. this part is easy compared with mechanically stopping the saw blade. These GFI's really work well, and are very useful. The breaker opens so fast that you don't even feel any slight shock. |
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John Doe wrote:
Firstly... This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of kittens chewing on electrical cords. Secondly... Nobody in any video on YouTube intentionally sticks their hand into a saw blade. That's so ridiculous, it's funny. Even if the claim of stopping the blade in 1/8 second is true, those blades spin at 10 revolutions per 1/10 second. That means you get cut over 600 times using a 60-tooth blade. The saw stop thing should be taken to a group like (alt.home.repair) or (rec.woodworking). Currently I'm in both of those groups. Tell them about sticking your hand into a saw blade... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:47:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net V7ig75SBGTId60lVg9rrLADnvGQCGCeI/2w+JD4RPSUqSM8jSp Cancel-Lock: sha1:OAk0z2k4j41tcdK9UGOZ9qLuwuk= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11371 free.usenet:4635498 free.spirit:1109 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Hey! It was just a suggestion to keep your cats from getting their mouths blown apart. If you don't want to take it, then don't, but don't blame me for suggesting it. (and don't say that you didn't learn anything by reading my posts, either) |
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