Cat not drinking water

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Professor wrote:
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Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
miserable one.
But that's me.

Ivor


Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy
when nothing could be further from the truth.

Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed
outside.

Ivor

I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to
them they way I would have to were they inside cats.....And therein lies the
answer. If you want to go to the trouble of making sure your inside cats are
happy, then have at it. - I certainly wouldn't try to stop you. But, by the
same token, have the courtesy to understand that I know what is best for my
cats too. - I have neither the time nor energy to keep them happy if they
were trapped inside, so they are better off outside.

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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Professor wrote:
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Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
miserable one.
But that's me.
Ivor

Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy
when nothing could be further from the truth.

Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed
outside.
Ivor


I don't want to continue this argument beyond this post. Most people live
in places where the potential for a cat getting severely injured or killed
outside is very great. Cats have been living with people in houses for
thousands of years. They're not mountain lions, they're housecats.

The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the
street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe indoors
and live a long life is utterly ridiculous. I could possibly understand
it if someone lived far from civilization but that would probably present
threats from wild animals. Perhaps it is just that cats have been
miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after reading his posts I can
understand.

You should speak for your own street.....And let me speak for mine.....

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Upscale wrote:
"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had
over the last 30 years, all of whom have been allowed out and all of
whom have lived for 16+ years. Please don't make assumptions.

Actually, you're the one making assumptions by thinking that indoor
only cats are miserable or even remotely unhappy. By your statement
"Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
miserable one" can we believe that you'd be perfectly happy to spend
all your time eating, drinking and screwing around and then dying by
the age of thirty from a combination of AIDS, diabetes and cirrhosis
of the liver?

You can believe whatever you like.

FWIW I never once said indoor only cats are miserable. I merely said I
believe they would be *happier* if allowed out.

And you still don't know me or any of my cats.


I know that you are willing to endanger the animals who trust you to protect
them because you're too lazy to clean a litter box. Couch it in all the
noble "be fwee wild thing" philosophy you want, and there it still is.

"Ivor Jones" spoke.....

And you still don't know me or any of my cats.


Ivor

Exactly........It is the unmistakable mark of the liberal to presume he/she
knows what is best for the rest of us, and is quite willing to make a law
that forces his decision on the rest of society, to boot.....We are today
looking at what is probably going to be the most important election of my 72
year lifetime. We are essentially going to choose between socialism and
democracy. I hope we make the right choice.......

"William Graham" wrote
Me too, and I wouldn't impose anything else on my cats, either. When you
compare a hundred year lifespan to the infinity of time that is implied in
the universe, it just doesn't make sense to compromise on your enjoyment
in the interest of saving a few years, and anyone who really understands
cats would know that they think the same way, or, at least, would think
that way were they philosophers......:^)

Nonsense. Anyone willing to expose domesticated animals to anything outside
that happens by is an irresponsible person. Period. As for what cats "would
think"
if they were philosophers, we're the ones with the overdeveloped forebrains
and thumbs. Decent pet owners take care of their animals and protect them
from things they have no way of understanding. Like dogs, disease, cars, and
my
personal favorite, humans who love to torture animals.

It's honest of you to admit that you are willing to endanger your cats in
the name
of this asinine 19th-century "be fwee" "philosophy," but the fact that you
actually
congratulate yourself for it is nauseating.

"Matthew" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
one.


That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.



But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of you
can resist to keep going

It may be stupid to you, but to me it is a lot deeper than most people
really understand. - It has philosophical implications that are tremendous,
and not just for the cats. The whole world today is divided between giving
up their freedoms to the government and letting society make their decisions
for them, and standing on their own feet and going with their own decisions
for better or worse. Please choose wisely.......

"William Graham" wrote:

I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to
them they way I would have to were they inside cats.....

Therein lies the truth. Take your cats to a shelter where they might find
a home with someone who can be bothered to take care of them.

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"Professor" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Professor wrote:
"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
miserable one.
But that's me.
Ivor

Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy
when nothing could be further from the truth.

Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed
outside.
Ivor


I don't want to continue this argument beyond this post. Most people
live in places where the potential for a cat getting severely injured or
killed outside is very great. Cats have been living with people in
houses for thousands of years. They're not mountain lions, they're
housecats.

The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the
street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe indoors
and live a long life is utterly ridiculous. I could possibly understand
it if someone lived far from civilization but that would probably present
threats from wild animals. Perhaps it is just that cats have been
miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after reading his posts I can
understand.

You should speak for your own street.....And let me speak for mine.....
It only takes one car, asshole. One sadistic kid. One dog that's faster than
your cat.

"Matthew" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Matthew wrote:
"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
miserable one.


That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

The most ignorant thing *I've* ever heard is that it's ok to keep a cat
indoors just because you *want* to and not because it's *necessary* to do
so.

There *are* circumstances where cats should be kept indoors (FIV+ etc)
but
they are in the minority.

But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of
you can resist to keep going

You already did.

No I did not.
Ivor

I am not going to debate this STUPID ARGUMENT with you or anyone else.
Everyone of you that keeps coming back to this freaking argument and keep
it going. You only coming back because all of you are playing who can
pound their chest harder and louder. I think it is called quién es más
macho in Spanish.

Everyone one of you have made your point to each other multiple times in
multiple post. And Guess what you still are doing it over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It gets
BORING

Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours, Baldoni
has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a few. And
guess what you all will never change each others minds you will never
agree with one another on the opposite side. A debate can be interesting
but the same debate over and over and over and over and over and over gets
annoying after awhile. You all seem desperate to jump on the band wagon
when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it is more interesting than having
to see the same thing almost every week.

When they usher you into your own private padded cell, designed so you can't
hurt yourself by making any stupid decisions, then we will see whether or
not you can recognize the value of the thing called, "freedom", for either
cats or human beings.......

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On Apr 13, 11:12 am, "Ivor Jones" wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"William Graham" wrote in message
Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)

Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.

Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
one.

But that's me.

Ivor

I have 2 cats, 13 and 15 and they are outside all summer and always
have been......they are in all winter. Spring and summer they are
outside, hanging out in the barn or on the front porch.

Yes, and mine will kill to go out should I trap them in the house, and when
they do finally escape, they only go 10 feet from the front door to sit in
the sun on the porch......It isn't the fact that appeals to them, but only
the idea. (Just like Patrick Henry) One can learn a lot from cats.......