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No One But Me wrote:
You seem not to understand the ramifications when you say the surgery will not matter to a cat kept indoors and you got your medical degree from where? There are articles by vets all over the 'Net stating these facts, which are most likely in other publications as well. And vets are indeed experts on the issue. I'm not an expert, but I do listen to them. discipline is what children need not tree hugging. Yes, children need discipline, but they also need understanding to grow up without a bunch of emotional problems. Then again, I'm sure you feel a quick clip around the head and a stern word solves everything, eh? Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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No One But Me wrote:
You seem not to understand the ramifications when you say the surgery will not matter to a cat kept indoors and you got your medical degree from where? There are articles by vets all over the 'Net stating these facts, which are most likely in other publications as well. And vets are indeed experts on the issue. I'm not an expert, but I do listen to them. discipline is what children need not tree hugging. Yes, children need discipline, but they also need understanding to grow up without a bunch of emotional problems. Then again, I'm sure you feel a quick clip around the head and a stern word solves everything, eh? Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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Cathouse wrote:
"bewtifulfreak" wrote in Thank you, Soozy....I felt terrible when I did it, but it *was* just a totally reflex reaction. And I didn't expect the mouse to bite, because I've taken them off my cat before and they never did. It was ironic that this one bit me just seconds after my husband said, "You know, they do bite, don't you?" You can learn not to react like that. Just like dogs can learn to not bite kids. Yes, you can learn, if you're expecting it, not to react like that. The first time, if something like that takes you by surprise, you may very well experience a reflex reaction, as I did, just as you would jerk your hand away if you accidentally touched something hot. If an animal is not familiar with how children behave, and is grabbed by one, it is very possible they might do the same and react reflexively. That doesn't mean they can't learn, but it is possible that they could do something like that initially without being malicious. My totally loving cat who never bit me before or since got injured, and had to be anesthetised for x-ray, and was wobbling about at home. When I picked him up to try and get him to lie down and relax and get his bearings, he freaked out and bit my finger. It wasn't out of malice, but he was disoriented and scared, and it was a reflex reaction. Sometimes even the most gentle animal will snap out of reflex. Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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Cathouse wrote:
"bewtifulfreak" wrote in Thank you, Soozy....I felt terrible when I did it, but it *was* just a totally reflex reaction. And I didn't expect the mouse to bite, because I've taken them off my cat before and they never did. It was ironic that this one bit me just seconds after my husband said, "You know, they do bite, don't you?" You can learn not to react like that. Just like dogs can learn to not bite kids. Yes, you can learn, if you're expecting it, not to react like that. The first time, if something like that takes you by surprise, you may very well experience a reflex reaction, as I did, just as you would jerk your hand away if you accidentally touched something hot. If an animal is not familiar with how children behave, and is grabbed by one, it is very possible they might do the same and react reflexively. That doesn't mean they can't learn, but it is possible that they could do something like that initially without being malicious. My totally loving cat who never bit me before or since got injured, and had to be anesthetised for x-ray, and was wobbling about at home. When I picked him up to try and get him to lie down and relax and get his bearings, he freaked out and bit my finger. It wasn't out of malice, but he was disoriented and scared, and it was a reflex reaction. Sometimes even the most gentle animal will snap out of reflex. Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak |
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![]() "Katra" wrote in message ... Karen Chuplis wrote: in article , Cathouse at wrote on 8/19/03 6:38 AM: ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... Katra wrote in Yes, they should, but a 12 to 14 month old baby is NOT old enough to be told "no" so has to be protected from overly aggressive cats. I am not going to apologize for helping my sister get booger declawed. This was an unusual case of a cat that tended to swipe more than any cat I've ever known... It will also protect the adults. I had Max declawed because of aggression. But not because he scratched me, I get scratched all the time anyway. He was rough with the other cats. Not mean, really, he just played hard. He tackles with such force, they make a loud thunk when they hit the floor. Occassionally, one gets it's nose scratched, but he's not the only one that does that. Unfortunately, Max doesn't get along with the dog. They never have liked each other. The dog will just be standing next to the couch and here comes Max, slinking out from behind it. Then he jumps on the end table and smacks the dog in the face. He got him in the eye once and almost blinded him. Max laughed at the Soft Paws and chewed them off in two days. Nail trimming? Out of the question. He howls, kicks, bites, claws...by the end of it, he's panting. To keep his nails dull, this needed to be done once a week. Trying to keep from declawing him caused more stress than declawing him. So, he had the laser surgery. His paws were never tender and he's never had any trouble. In fact, he behaves exactly as he did before. Except now, he can't put anybody's eye out. Thank you. :-) Katra Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery? Yes, I did notice... I got raked over the coals for helping my sister to declaw ONE cat, while caring for 36 others without even considering the surgery. This post by someone else got ignored. What's up with that? It was my post. They must be afraid of me. Hey, Katra, did you even THINK of trying Soft Paws? Karen He chewed them off... K. Is that riiiight. I'll bet. Sure took you a long time to come up with that gem. Karen |
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![]() "Katra" wrote in message ... Karen Chuplis wrote: in article , Cathouse at wrote on 8/19/03 6:38 AM: ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... Katra wrote in Yes, they should, but a 12 to 14 month old baby is NOT old enough to be told "no" so has to be protected from overly aggressive cats. I am not going to apologize for helping my sister get booger declawed. This was an unusual case of a cat that tended to swipe more than any cat I've ever known... It will also protect the adults. I had Max declawed because of aggression. But not because he scratched me, I get scratched all the time anyway. He was rough with the other cats. Not mean, really, he just played hard. He tackles with such force, they make a loud thunk when they hit the floor. Occassionally, one gets it's nose scratched, but he's not the only one that does that. Unfortunately, Max doesn't get along with the dog. They never have liked each other. The dog will just be standing next to the couch and here comes Max, slinking out from behind it. Then he jumps on the end table and smacks the dog in the face. He got him in the eye once and almost blinded him. Max laughed at the Soft Paws and chewed them off in two days. Nail trimming? Out of the question. He howls, kicks, bites, claws...by the end of it, he's panting. To keep his nails dull, this needed to be done once a week. Trying to keep from declawing him caused more stress than declawing him. So, he had the laser surgery. His paws were never tender and he's never had any trouble. In fact, he behaves exactly as he did before. Except now, he can't put anybody's eye out. Thank you. :-) Katra Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery? Yes, I did notice... I got raked over the coals for helping my sister to declaw ONE cat, while caring for 36 others without even considering the surgery. This post by someone else got ignored. What's up with that? It was my post. They must be afraid of me. Hey, Katra, did you even THINK of trying Soft Paws? Karen He chewed them off... K. Is that riiiight. I'll bet. Sure took you a long time to come up with that gem. Karen |
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![]() Karen Chuplis wrote: "Katra" wrote in message ... Karen Chuplis wrote: in article , Cathouse at wrote on 8/19/03 6:38 AM: ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... Katra wrote in Yes, they should, but a 12 to 14 month old baby is NOT old enough to be told "no" so has to be protected from overly aggressive cats. I am not going to apologize for helping my sister get booger declawed. This was an unusual case of a cat that tended to swipe more than any cat I've ever known... It will also protect the adults. I had Max declawed because of aggression. But not because he scratched me, I get scratched all the time anyway. He was rough with the other cats. Not mean, really, he just played hard. He tackles with such force, they make a loud thunk when they hit the floor. Occassionally, one gets it's nose scratched, but he's not the only one that does that. Unfortunately, Max doesn't get along with the dog. They never have liked each other. The dog will just be standing next to the couch and here comes Max, slinking out from behind it. Then he jumps on the end table and smacks the dog in the face. He got him in the eye once and almost blinded him. Max laughed at the Soft Paws and chewed them off in two days. Nail trimming? Out of the question. He howls, kicks, bites, claws...by the end of it, he's panting. To keep his nails dull, this needed to be done once a week. Trying to keep from declawing him caused more stress than declawing him. So, he had the laser surgery. His paws were never tender and he's never had any trouble. In fact, he behaves exactly as he did before. Except now, he can't put anybody's eye out. Thank you. :-) Katra Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery? Yes, I did notice... I got raked over the coals for helping my sister to declaw ONE cat, while caring for 36 others without even considering the surgery. This post by someone else got ignored. What's up with that? It was my post. They must be afraid of me. Hey, Katra, did you even THINK of trying Soft Paws? Karen He chewed them off... K. Is that riiiight. I'll bet. Sure took you a long time to come up with that gem. Karen Sometimes the truth is pretty lame. That's why I ignored it for so long. Your reply was predictable.... K. -- ^,,^ Cats-haven Hobby Farm ^,,^ ^,,^ Breast Implants are the Stupidest idea ever. If I wanted to fondle $10,000.oo worth of Silicon, I'd buy a new computer! --Anon. Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...s&userid=katra |
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![]() Karen Chuplis wrote: "Katra" wrote in message ... Karen Chuplis wrote: in article , Cathouse at wrote on 8/19/03 6:38 AM: ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... ) wrote in om Cathouse wrote in message ... Katra wrote in Yes, they should, but a 12 to 14 month old baby is NOT old enough to be told "no" so has to be protected from overly aggressive cats. I am not going to apologize for helping my sister get booger declawed. This was an unusual case of a cat that tended to swipe more than any cat I've ever known... It will also protect the adults. I had Max declawed because of aggression. But not because he scratched me, I get scratched all the time anyway. He was rough with the other cats. Not mean, really, he just played hard. He tackles with such force, they make a loud thunk when they hit the floor. Occassionally, one gets it's nose scratched, but he's not the only one that does that. Unfortunately, Max doesn't get along with the dog. They never have liked each other. The dog will just be standing next to the couch and here comes Max, slinking out from behind it. Then he jumps on the end table and smacks the dog in the face. He got him in the eye once and almost blinded him. Max laughed at the Soft Paws and chewed them off in two days. Nail trimming? Out of the question. He howls, kicks, bites, claws...by the end of it, he's panting. To keep his nails dull, this needed to be done once a week. Trying to keep from declawing him caused more stress than declawing him. So, he had the laser surgery. His paws were never tender and he's never had any trouble. In fact, he behaves exactly as he did before. Except now, he can't put anybody's eye out. Thank you. :-) Katra Did you notice that there were no comments from the peanut gallery? Yes, I did notice... I got raked over the coals for helping my sister to declaw ONE cat, while caring for 36 others without even considering the surgery. This post by someone else got ignored. What's up with that? It was my post. They must be afraid of me. Hey, Katra, did you even THINK of trying Soft Paws? Karen He chewed them off... K. Is that riiiight. I'll bet. Sure took you a long time to come up with that gem. Karen Sometimes the truth is pretty lame. That's why I ignored it for so long. Your reply was predictable.... K. -- ^,,^ Cats-haven Hobby Farm ^,,^ ^,,^ Breast Implants are the Stupidest idea ever. If I wanted to fondle $10,000.oo worth of Silicon, I'd buy a new computer! --Anon. Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...s&userid=katra |
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Cathouse composed with style: ) wrote in om "Cheryl" wrote in message ... In om, composed with style: Katra does not have the software/hardware to be a sockpuppet yet... When she does have the money to do so, (and have not spent it on the cats), watch out. ;-) Damn that sounds like a threat. FTR, it isn't like it costs money to sock it up. Actually, it does, if you don't want to mess with a remailer... Sometimes it is useful to be able to change identities. It does not work just changing the ID in your browser. People will still know it's just a sock puppet as the IP address is the same. I'm really glad you believe that. I found a new group for these people to post in. Pretty funny, at least you have a sense of humor amidst all the anger you've been spewing in this thread. The truth still is that you, Catbox, have no posting history and some of these silly flame wars usually end up with one of them creating new personas that agree with their warped ideas. It's very amusing and predictable. |
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