"The Russian Blue" book, anyone?

Bob Brenchley. wrote in
:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:02:36 GMT, "kilikini"
wrote:

"Tropical Tim" wrote in message
. com...
Hey Kilikini,
What a drag having to move like that. I've always heard that Hawaii
is costly to live in, but the rent your paying is awesome.

Lots of luck with you cats. All of my cats always live indoors. They
love it. Don't ever listen to that weird dude Bob Brenchley. The
dude is a mess. He's about 5 cans short of a sixpack.

By the way, what does your name mean?

Tim


"kilikini" wrote in message
. ..
I've had one of my cats for 8 years and the other for 7 years and
since
I
live in Hawaii it's not a big deal to leave a door open -
literally. I
just
moved to an apartment and I don't have the liberty of allowing my
cats
the
freedeom to go in and out. Now they have to use a litterbox and
the
outside
is a vague memory to them. In all honesty, they are flourishing!
My
cats
used to be feral; I rescued them when each one was about 10 weeks
old.
For
never being cooped up before, I think they love it. They seek out
more attention, they're more loving, they purr more loudly, they
are eating better and their personalities are really coming out.
I think they feel more secure. They're even learning to get along
with the dog.......but that's another story. g

kilikini

Moronic posting style corrected. You have been charged $25 for this
service, please remit by international money order as a donation to
Cats Protection (cats.org.uk) within the next 7 days. Be warned that
repeated use of this service will incur a escalating rate of charges.


Aloha Tim (and for all of you NG people - I'm only top-posting because
the thread will make more sense this way now it's been started.)

You show both your stupidity and selfishness.

Thanks for the encouraging words. My cats are still doing well and
are now even sleeping with me at night, which they've NEVER done
before. I think they are going to be permanent indoor cats from now
on.

That shows you as an animal abuser, not a fit owner for cats.

Well, at least one
of them will be. If I ever get the chance to buy my own property and
build a house I think I'll let my female orange-striped cat out. My
black and white is just loving being indoors.

Sadly there are too many animal abusers who delude themselves as you
are.



I got fairly angry at Mr. Bob Brenchley.

There is no full-stop after Mr in the english language.

I don't usually do that. The
point I was trying to make was that I was forced to move out of my
house that I'd been in for almost 8 years because the landlady wanted
it back for her son who was getting married. When I took on pets I
made a *lifetime* decision. They're like kids, you don't get rid of
them when life becomes *inconvenient*.

Then it was YOUR responsibility to find a place to live where your
cats would get a proper life. You being to lazy to do that now causes
suffering for your cats.

It took me a month and a half to even find a place that
would let me take my animals and I'm paying over $500 more a month to
do so for less than half the space I had before. Yes, it's an
apartment setting and my cats aren't free to go out.

Then you should either find proper accommodation for you and the cats,
or find new homes for the cats. Why should they suffer because of you?

I could let them out on the lanai, but
if they decide to jump over, well, bye-bye. It's a long drop down.
NO thank you.

There are over 80,000 feral cats on Maui alone. The humane society
just recently built a $250,000 cat house to house all the
caught/dropped off, unwanted cats on the island. Unfortunately, the
new cat house along with the old house, can only hold so many and at
least 20 cats are put down daily.

That is unacceptable and show how lazy your local shelters are being.
Only one of our major animal rescue organizations (none of which
receive a penny of government money) still puts animals to sleep. For
2002, the latest year that figures are currently available for, the
RSPCA put down less that 1,200 nation-wide in the whole year. That
works out a just over 3 per day - for a country the size of the UK.
And believe me, we find even that 1,200 a totally unacceptable figure.

And remember, none of our shelters will normally home a healthy cat
indoors only.

To have Bob make such a suggestion that I should give my cats up
because I can no longer let them outside is ludicrous!

Your cats have rights. You have the responsibility to make sure they
get a proper life.

They'd most likely
be put down! Is having them put down a better thing for them than
being inside where they're loved and cared for?

In my opinion - yes. The systematic cruelty you inflict of your cats
by depriving them of a proper life is not acceptable.

Sorry...........I'm getting
worked up again. Jeesh!

I didn't mean to rant on because of some trolling, closed-minded
person and I appreciate all the kind words everyone gave me regarding
my situation. Point is, I love my animals and where I go, for better
or worse, they go with me.

kilikini

P.S. Kilikini means Christine in Hawaiian - well it's a diminutive
term. Kilikina technically means Christine. Kilikini is almost like
Christy.

It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Ya know Bob, I agree that some cats need an outdoor life, but you are an
idiot

--
StocksRus®

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "StocksRus®"
wrote:

Bob Brenchley. wrote in
:
It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Ya know Bob, I agree that some cats need an outdoor life, but you are an
idiot

lol! Indeed. Most cats *should* have an outdoor life if they're safe
from unnatural danger. Unfortuately we've made an environment for them
that isn't safe and so we have to deal with it the best we can.

Bob thinks people with indoor cats are abusers, I think people who let
their cats roam around are either incredibly irresponsible or just
naive. We're all entitiled to our opinion but I find his obnoxious,
petty name-calling style pretty offensive. For someone who moans about
top-posters, he's not very au fait with the other rules of netiquette.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "StocksRus®"
wrote:

Bob Brenchley. wrote in
:
It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Ya know Bob, I agree that some cats need an outdoor life, but you are an
idiot

lol! Indeed. Most cats *should* have an outdoor life if they're safe
from unnatural danger. Unfortuately we've made an environment for them
that isn't safe and so we have to deal with it the best we can.

Bob thinks people with indoor cats are abusers, I think people who let
their cats roam around are either incredibly irresponsible or just
naive. We're all entitiled to our opinion but I find his obnoxious,
petty name-calling style pretty offensive. For someone who moans about
top-posters, he's not very au fait with the other rules of netiquette.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:06:25 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "StocksRus®"
wrote:

Bob Brenchley. wrote in
m:
It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Ya know Bob, I agree that some cats need an outdoor life, but you are an
idiot

lol! Indeed. Most cats *should* have an outdoor life if they're safe
from unnatural danger. Unfortuately we've made an environment for them
that isn't safe and so we have to deal with it the best we can.

If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to
allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each
day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have
a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being
cruel, selfish, or both.

Bob thinks people with indoor cats are abusers, I think people who let
their cats roam around are either incredibly irresponsible or just
naive. We're all entitiled to our opinion but I find his obnoxious,
petty name-calling style pretty offensive. For someone who moans about
top-posters, he's not very au fait with the other rules of netiquette.

Animal abusers put themselves outside the rules.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:06:25 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "StocksRus®"
wrote:

Bob Brenchley. wrote in
m:
It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Ya know Bob, I agree that some cats need an outdoor life, but you are an
idiot

lol! Indeed. Most cats *should* have an outdoor life if they're safe
from unnatural danger. Unfortuately we've made an environment for them
that isn't safe and so we have to deal with it the best we can.

If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to
allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each
day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have
a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being
cruel, selfish, or both.

Bob thinks people with indoor cats are abusers, I think people who let
their cats roam around are either incredibly irresponsible or just
naive. We're all entitiled to our opinion but I find his obnoxious,
petty name-calling style pretty offensive. For someone who moans about
top-posters, he's not very au fait with the other rules of netiquette.

Animal abusers put themselves outside the rules.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

"Bob Brenchley." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:02:36 GMT, "kilikini"
wrote:

"Tropical Tim" wrote in message
om...
Hey Kilikini,
What a drag having to move like that. I've always heard that Hawaii is
costly to live in, but the rent your paying is awesome.

Lots of luck with you cats. All of my cats always live indoors. They
love it. Don't ever listen to that weird dude Bob Brenchley. The dude
is a mess. He's about 5 cans short of a sixpack.

By the way, what does your name mean?

Tim


"kilikini" wrote in message
.. .
I've had one of my cats for 8 years and the other for 7 years and
since
I
live in Hawaii it's not a big deal to leave a door open - literally.
I
just
moved to an apartment and I don't have the liberty of allowing my
cats
the
freedeom to go in and out. Now they have to use a litterbox and the
outside
is a vague memory to them. In all honesty, they are flourishing! My
cats
used to be feral; I rescued them when each one was about 10 weeks
old.
For
never being cooped up before, I think they love it. They seek out
more
attention, they're more loving, they purr more loudly, they are
eating
better and their personalities are really coming out. I think they
feel
more secure. They're even learning to get along with the
dog.......but
that's another story. g

kilikini

Moronic posting style corrected. You have been charged $25 for this
service, please remit by international money order as a donation to
Cats Protection (cats.org.uk) within the next 7 days. Be warned that
repeated use of this service will incur a escalating rate of charges.


Aloha Tim (and for all of you NG people - I'm only top-posting because
the
thread will make more sense this way now it's been started.)

You show both your stupidity and selfishness.

Thanks for the encouraging words. My cats are still doing well and are
now
even sleeping with me at night, which they've NEVER done before. I think
they are going to be permanent indoor cats from now on.

That shows you as an animal abuser, not a fit owner for cats.

Well, at least one
of them will be. If I ever get the chance to buy my own property and
build
a house I think I'll let my female orange-striped cat out. My black and
white is just loving being indoors.

Sadly there are too many animal abusers who delude themselves as you
are.



I got fairly angry at Mr. Bob Brenchley.

There is no full-stop after Mr in the english language.

I don't usually do that. The
point I was trying to make was that I was forced to move out of my house
that I'd been in for almost 8 years because the landlady wanted it back
for
her son who was getting married. When I took on pets I made a *lifetime*
decision. They're like kids, you don't get rid of them when life becomes
*inconvenient*.

Then it was YOUR responsibility to find a place to live where your
cats would get a proper life. You being to lazy to do that now causes
suffering for your cats.

It took me a month and a half to even find a place that
would let me take my animals and I'm paying over $500 more a month to do
so
for less than half the space I had before. Yes, it's an apartment
setting
and my cats aren't free to go out.

Then you should either find proper accommodation for you and the cats,
or find new homes for the cats. Why should they suffer because of you?

I could let them out on the lanai, but
if they decide to jump over, well, bye-bye. It's a long drop down. NO
thank you.

There are over 80,000 feral cats on Maui alone. The humane society just
recently built a $250,000 cat house to house all the caught/dropped off,
unwanted cats on the island. Unfortunately, the new cat house along with
the old house, can only hold so many and at least 20 cats are put down
daily.

That is unacceptable and show how lazy your local shelters are being.
Only one of our major animal rescue organizations (none of which
receive a penny of government money) still puts animals to sleep. For
2002, the latest year that figures are currently available for, the
RSPCA put down less that 1,200 nation-wide in the whole year. That
works out a just over 3 per day - for a country the size of the UK.
And believe me, we find even that 1,200 a totally unacceptable figure.

And remember, none of our shelters will normally home a healthy cat
indoors only.

To have Bob make such a suggestion that I should give my cats up
because I can no longer let them outside is ludicrous!

Your cats have rights. You have the responsibility to make sure they
get a proper life.

They'd most likely
be put down! Is having them put down a better thing for them than being
inside where they're loved and cared for?

In my opinion - yes. The systematic cruelty you inflict of your cats
by depriving them of a proper life is not acceptable.

Sorry...........I'm getting
worked up again. Jeesh!

I didn't mean to rant on because of some trolling, closed-minded person
and
I appreciate all the kind words everyone gave me regarding my situation.
Point is, I love my animals and where I go, for better or worse, they go
with me.

kilikini

P.S. Kilikini means Christine in Hawaiian - well it's a diminutive term.
Kilikina technically means Christine. Kilikini is almost like Christy.

It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

--
Bob.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.

Oh, Bob............................... g
kili

"Bob Brenchley." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:02:36 GMT, "kilikini"
wrote:

"Tropical Tim" wrote in message
om...
Hey Kilikini,
What a drag having to move like that. I've always heard that Hawaii is
costly to live in, but the rent your paying is awesome.

Lots of luck with you cats. All of my cats always live indoors. They
love it. Don't ever listen to that weird dude Bob Brenchley. The dude
is a mess. He's about 5 cans short of a sixpack.

By the way, what does your name mean?

Tim


"kilikini" wrote in message
.. .
I've had one of my cats for 8 years and the other for 7 years and
since
I
live in Hawaii it's not a big deal to leave a door open - literally.
I
just
moved to an apartment and I don't have the liberty of allowing my
cats
the
freedeom to go in and out. Now they have to use a litterbox and the
outside
is a vague memory to them. In all honesty, they are flourishing! My
cats
used to be feral; I rescued them when each one was about 10 weeks
old.
For
never being cooped up before, I think they love it. They seek out
more
attention, they're more loving, they purr more loudly, they are
eating
better and their personalities are really coming out. I think they
feel
more secure. They're even learning to get along with the
dog.......but
that's another story. g

kilikini

Moronic posting style corrected. You have been charged $25 for this
service, please remit by international money order as a donation to
Cats Protection (cats.org.uk) within the next 7 days. Be warned that
repeated use of this service will incur a escalating rate of charges.


Aloha Tim (and for all of you NG people - I'm only top-posting because
the
thread will make more sense this way now it's been started.)

You show both your stupidity and selfishness.

Thanks for the encouraging words. My cats are still doing well and are
now
even sleeping with me at night, which they've NEVER done before. I think
they are going to be permanent indoor cats from now on.

That shows you as an animal abuser, not a fit owner for cats.

Well, at least one
of them will be. If I ever get the chance to buy my own property and
build
a house I think I'll let my female orange-striped cat out. My black and
white is just loving being indoors.

Sadly there are too many animal abusers who delude themselves as you
are.



I got fairly angry at Mr. Bob Brenchley.

There is no full-stop after Mr in the english language.

I don't usually do that. The
point I was trying to make was that I was forced to move out of my house
that I'd been in for almost 8 years because the landlady wanted it back
for
her son who was getting married. When I took on pets I made a *lifetime*
decision. They're like kids, you don't get rid of them when life becomes
*inconvenient*.

Then it was YOUR responsibility to find a place to live where your
cats would get a proper life. You being to lazy to do that now causes
suffering for your cats.

It took me a month and a half to even find a place that
would let me take my animals and I'm paying over $500 more a month to do
so
for less than half the space I had before. Yes, it's an apartment
setting
and my cats aren't free to go out.

Then you should either find proper accommodation for you and the cats,
or find new homes for the cats. Why should they suffer because of you?

I could let them out on the lanai, but
if they decide to jump over, well, bye-bye. It's a long drop down. NO
thank you.

There are over 80,000 feral cats on Maui alone. The humane society just
recently built a $250,000 cat house to house all the caught/dropped off,
unwanted cats on the island. Unfortunately, the new cat house along with
the old house, can only hold so many and at least 20 cats are put down
daily.

That is unacceptable and show how lazy your local shelters are being.
Only one of our major animal rescue organizations (none of which
receive a penny of government money) still puts animals to sleep. For
2002, the latest year that figures are currently available for, the
RSPCA put down less that 1,200 nation-wide in the whole year. That
works out a just over 3 per day - for a country the size of the UK.
And believe me, we find even that 1,200 a totally unacceptable figure.

And remember, none of our shelters will normally home a healthy cat
indoors only.

To have Bob make such a suggestion that I should give my cats up
because I can no longer let them outside is ludicrous!

Your cats have rights. You have the responsibility to make sure they
get a proper life.

They'd most likely
be put down! Is having them put down a better thing for them than being
inside where they're loved and cared for?

In my opinion - yes. The systematic cruelty you inflict of your cats
by depriving them of a proper life is not acceptable.

Sorry...........I'm getting
worked up again. Jeesh!

I didn't mean to rant on because of some trolling, closed-minded person
and
I appreciate all the kind words everyone gave me regarding my situation.
Point is, I love my animals and where I go, for better or worse, they go
with me.

kilikini

P.S. Kilikini means Christine in Hawaiian - well it's a diminutive term.
Kilikina technically means Christine. Kilikini is almost like Christy.

It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

--
Bob.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.

Oh, Bob............................... g
kili

Yo Bob,
You are such a complete asshole. You are not anything but a slob and a
self proclaimed authority. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CATS.

Anyone out there in this group needs to just ignore Bob Brenchley and
realize that he is an insane idiot.

People like him always get there just reward. Someone will beat the
crap out of him for us as soon as he opens that big mouth to the wrong
person.

Bob is a TOTAL cat abuser who should himself be put to sleep. Maybe
someone will do that for us too.

*******************************

Everything below this line is bull****.

Bob Brenchley. wrote in message . ..

Moronic posting style corrected. You have been charged $25 for this
service, please remit by international money order as a donation to
Cats Protection (cats.org.uk) within the next 7 days. Be warned that
repeated use of this service will incur a escalating rate of charges.

You show both your stupidity and selfishness.

That shows you as an animal abuser, not a fit owner for cats.

Sadly there are too many animal abusers who delude themselves as you
are.

There is no full-stop after Mr in the english language.

Then it was YOUR responsibility to find a place to live where your
cats would get a proper life. You being to lazy to do that now causes
suffering for your cats.

Then you should either find proper accommodation for you and the cats,
or find new homes for the cats. Why should they suffer because of you?

That is unacceptable and show how lazy your local shelters are being.
Only one of our major animal rescue organizations (none of which
receive a penny of government money) still puts animals to sleep. For
2002, the latest year that figures are currently available for, the
RSPCA put down less that 1,200 nation-wide in the whole year. That
works out a just over 3 per day - for a country the size of the UK.
And believe me, we find even that 1,200 a totally unacceptable figure.

And remember, none of our shelters will normally home a healthy cat
indoors only.

To have Bob make such a suggestion that I should give my cats up
because I can no longer let them outside is ludicrous!

Your cats have rights. You have the responsibility to make sure they
get a proper life.

In my opinion - yes. The systematic cruelty you inflict of your cats
by depriving them of a proper life is not acceptable.

It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Yo Bob,
You are such a complete asshole. You are not anything but a slob and a
self proclaimed authority. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CATS.

Anyone out there in this group needs to just ignore Bob Brenchley and
realize that he is an insane idiot.

People like him always get there just reward. Someone will beat the
crap out of him for us as soon as he opens that big mouth to the wrong
person.

Bob is a TOTAL cat abuser who should himself be put to sleep. Maybe
someone will do that for us too.

*******************************

Everything below this line is bull****.

Bob Brenchley. wrote in message . ..

Moronic posting style corrected. You have been charged $25 for this
service, please remit by international money order as a donation to
Cats Protection (cats.org.uk) within the next 7 days. Be warned that
repeated use of this service will incur a escalating rate of charges.

You show both your stupidity and selfishness.

That shows you as an animal abuser, not a fit owner for cats.

Sadly there are too many animal abusers who delude themselves as you
are.

There is no full-stop after Mr in the english language.

Then it was YOUR responsibility to find a place to live where your
cats would get a proper life. You being to lazy to do that now causes
suffering for your cats.

Then you should either find proper accommodation for you and the cats,
or find new homes for the cats. Why should they suffer because of you?

That is unacceptable and show how lazy your local shelters are being.
Only one of our major animal rescue organizations (none of which
receive a penny of government money) still puts animals to sleep. For
2002, the latest year that figures are currently available for, the
RSPCA put down less that 1,200 nation-wide in the whole year. That
works out a just over 3 per day - for a country the size of the UK.
And believe me, we find even that 1,200 a totally unacceptable figure.

And remember, none of our shelters will normally home a healthy cat
indoors only.

To have Bob make such a suggestion that I should give my cats up
because I can no longer let them outside is ludicrous!

Your cats have rights. You have the responsibility to make sure they
get a proper life.

In my opinion - yes. The systematic cruelty you inflict of your cats
by depriving them of a proper life is not acceptable.

It has now taken on a new meaning - animal abuser.

Oh boo hoo Bob. I hardly think posting style is the issue here, but
since you are blindly groping for anything to criticize that would
allow you to insult me, then I guess my posting style is as good as
anything to attack. I top post because I prefer to read messages that
way. I don't need a line by line of everything that I have just
gotten through reading. Your posting style of replying at the end
irritates me. I spoke rashly when I called you an idiot. What I
actually believe is that you are ignorant. Ignorant people hold
tenaciously to their beliefs regardless of any logical persuasive
argument, and even in the face of compelling evidence that they are
wrong, will continue to defend their erroneous beliefs.



The idiot is you - and a top-posting one at that, how much lower on
the intelligence scale can you get.