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How do other People Feel about the subject of cat enclosures.
For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the
USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted via http://www.catkb.com |
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"sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote in message news:7709f626f2119@uwe... For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. ---------- Very few people in the USA have cat enclosures. We either keep the cats inside or let the cats out. None of the cat rescue groups will adopt out a cat unless the wannabe slave first signs an agreement to keep the cat inside at all times (and not to declaw). As time goes on, more and more people belong to the "inside only" mindset. However, I doubt any of the rescue groups would object to an enclosure. The only reason I don't let my older cats out into our fenced yard (these are senior cats who could never jump the fence) is that outside = fleas. In all the years I have had cats, the only times I have ever had problems with fleas was when we were living in an apartment building and someone else's cat went outside and brought them into the building and on two other occasions when we brought in foster cats from the rescue agency. And I have never treated my cats for fleas as a precaution. I have done so only on the couple of occasions where there was a bonafide flea problem. In the first situation, once the fleas were in the building, we could not get rid of them. This was in the days before Revolution et al and our cats were forced to endure several flea "dips" only to have fleas again within the week. The apartment was flea-bombed and the carpets and furniture were treated by an exterminator every six weeks! And to no avail. After a year and a half of this, the only way we escaped the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the apartment. I had the new house pre-exterminated (before we moved in), and I also had the exterminator treat the furniture one last time. I never want to endure that ordeal again. All of my five current cats seem perfectly content inside the house, and for me, it's just not worth the flea risk to let them go out, and while I think Revolution is generally safe, it does still have a potential for toxicity, so I would prefer to avoid it if I can, particularly for the senior cats. Aside from the flea issue, I think the enclosure is a fantastic idea, and if I weren't so worried about fleas, I would have one in a heartbeat! Best regards, ---Cindy S. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted via http://www.catkb.com |
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On Aug 22, 12:03 pm, "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote:
For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com This may not answer your question, but I think it's interesting. I have two cats, one in-door only, the other goes outdoors as much as possible. However, the outdoor cat never goes off the portico. He just sits there all day, and comes in to eat, then out again. I started using an enclosure, because the neighbors said there as a fox in the neighborhood. The enclosure was bigger than the portico. But guess what happened. The cat wanted to go outside the enclosure and just sit in front of it!! So no, I don't use enclosures anymore. |
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On 22 Aug, 18:51, Dom wrote:
On Aug 22, 12:03 pm, "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote: For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com This may not answer your question, but I think it's interesting. I have two cats, one in-door only, the other goes outdoors as much as possible. However, the outdoor cat never goes off the portico. He just sits there all day, and comes in to eat, then out again. I started using an enclosure, because the neighbors said there as a fox in the neighborhood. The enclosure was bigger than the portico. But guess what happened. The cat wanted to go outside the enclosure and just sit in front of it!! So no, I don't use enclosures anymore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good story though, Lol ) Thank you Sheelagh"o" |
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On 22 Aug, 17:34, "cindys" wrote:
"sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote in messagenews:7709f626f2119@uwe... For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. ---------- Very few people in the USA have cat enclosures. We either keep the cats inside or let the cats out. None of the cat rescue groups will adopt out a cat unless the wannabe slave first signs an agreement to keep the cat inside at all times (and not to declaw). As time goes on, more and more people belong to the "inside only" mindset. However, I doubt any of the rescue groups would object to an enclosure. The only reason I don't let my older cats out into our fenced yard (these are senior cats who could never jump the fence) is that outside = fleas. In all the years I have had cats, the only times I have ever had problems with fleas was when we were living in an apartment building and someone else's cat went outside and brought them into the building and on two other occasions when we brought in foster cats from the rescue agency. And I have never treated my cats for fleas as a precaution. I have done so only on the couple of occasions where there was a bonafide flea problem. In the first situation, once the fleas were in the building, we could not get rid of them. This was in the days before Revolution et al and our cats were forced to endure several flea "dips" only to have fleas again within the week. The apartment was flea-bombed and the carpets and furniture were treated by an exterminator every six weeks! And to no avail. After a year and a half of this, the only way we escaped the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the apartment. I had the new house pre-exterminated (before we moved in), and I also had the exterminator treat the furniture one last time. I never want to endure that ordeal again. All of my five current cats seem perfectly content inside the house, and for me, it's just not worth the flea risk to let them go out, and while I think Revolution is generally safe, it does still have a potential for toxicity, so I would prefer to avoid it if I can, particularly for the senior cats. Aside from the flea issue, I think the enclosure is a fantastic idea, and if I weren't so worried about fleas, I would have one in a heartbeat! Best regards, ---Cindy S. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can understand that, it is a very valid reason. Thank you for the explanation as well. It helps us to understand how each other feel, & their reasons for feeling so passionately about why we do things the way we do. I hope that you don't think that I was criticizing the indoor outdoor debate? That is not the case at all! This is entirely different. I think we have started to think the way we do about enclosures, because of incidents such as Ringo being shot @. I think we do it to ease our conscience about taking an already outdoor cat's liberty away. It's a conscience thing I suppose. However, as you rightly point out, most cats that live indoors, are perfectly happy they way life is. I just noticed that not many of our american correspondents ever talk about cat enclosures, & I wondered why that was. Thank you for indulging me Cindy Sheelagh"o" |
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On Aug 22, 3:18 pm, "Sheelagh o"
wrote: On 22 Aug, 17:34, "cindys" wrote: "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote in messagenews:7709f626f2119@uwe... For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. ---------- Very few people in the USA have cat enclosures. We either keep the cats inside or let the cats out. None of the cat rescue groups will adopt out a cat unless the wannabe slave first signs an agreement to keep the cat inside at all times (and not to declaw). As time goes on, more and more people belong to the "inside only" mindset. However, I doubt any of the rescue groups would object to an enclosure. The only reason I don't let my older cats out into our fenced yard (these are senior cats who could never jump the fence) is that outside = fleas. In all the years I have had cats, the only times I have ever had problems with fleas was when we were living in an apartment building and someone else's cat went outside and brought them into the building and on two other occasions when we brought in foster cats from the rescue agency. And I have never treated my cats for fleas as a precaution. I have done so only on the couple of occasions where there was a bonafide flea problem. In the first situation, once the fleas were in the building, we could not get rid of them. This was in the days before Revolution et al and our cats were forced to endure several flea "dips" only to have fleas again within the week. The apartment was flea-bombed and the carpets and furniture were treated by an exterminator every six weeks! And to no avail. After a year and a half of this, the only way we escaped the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the apartment. I had the new house pre-exterminated (before we moved in), and I also had the exterminator treat the furniture one last time. I never want to endure that ordeal again. All of my five current cats seem perfectly content inside the house, and for me, it's just not worth the flea risk to let them go out, and while I think Revolution is generally safe, it does still have a potential for toxicity, so I would prefer to avoid it if I can, particularly for the senior cats. Aside from the flea issue, I think the enclosure is a fantastic idea, and if I weren't so worried about fleas, I would have one in a heartbeat! Best regards, ---Cindy S. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can understand that, it is a very valid reason. Thank you for the explanation as well. It helps us to understand how each other feel, & their reasons for feeling so passionately about why we do things the way we do. I hope that you don't think that I was criticizing the indoor outdoor debate? That is not the case at all! This is entirely different. I think we have started to think the way we do about enclosures, because of incidents such as Ringo being shot @. I think we do it to ease our conscience about taking an already outdoor cat's liberty away. It's a conscience thing I suppose. However, as you rightly point out, most cats that live indoors, are perfectly happy they way life is. I just noticed that not many of our american correspondents ever talk about cat enclosures, & I wondered why that was. Thank you for indulging me Cindy Sheelagh"o" Your cat was shot at? Really? Someone actually used a gun on your cat? Why, for heaven's sake? |
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On 22 Aug, 20:22, Dom wrote:
On Aug 22, 3:18 pm, "Sheelagh o" wrote: On 22 Aug, 17:34, "cindys" wrote: "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote in messagenews:7709f626f2119@uwe... For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. ---------- Very few people in the USA have cat enclosures. We either keep the cats inside or let the cats out. None of the cat rescue groups will adopt out a cat unless the wannabe slave first signs an agreement to keep the cat inside at all times (and not to declaw). As time goes on, more and more people belong to the "inside only" mindset. However, I doubt any of the rescue groups would object to an enclosure. The only reason I don't let my older cats out into our fenced yard (these are senior cats who could never jump the fence) is that outside = fleas. In all the years I have had cats, the only times I have ever had problems with fleas was when we were living in an apartment building and someone else's cat went outside and brought them into the building and on two other occasions when we brought in foster cats from the rescue agency. And I have never treated my cats for fleas as a precaution. I have done so only on the couple of occasions where there was a bonafide flea problem. In the first situation, once the fleas were in the building, we could not get rid of them. This was in the days before Revolution et al and our cats were forced to endure several flea "dips" only to have fleas again within the week. The apartment was flea-bombed and the carpets and furniture were treated by an exterminator every six weeks! And to no avail. After a year and a half of this, the only way we escaped the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the apartment. I had the new house pre-exterminated (before we moved in), and I also had the exterminator treat the furniture one last time. I never want to endure that ordeal again. All of my five current cats seem perfectly content inside the house, and for me, it's just not worth the flea risk to let them go out, and while I think Revolution is generally safe, it does still have a potential for toxicity, so I would prefer to avoid it if I can, particularly for the senior cats. Aside from the flea issue, I think the enclosure is a fantastic idea, and if I weren't so worried about fleas, I would have one in a heartbeat! Best regards, ---Cindy S. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I can understand that, it is a very valid reason. Thank you for the explanation as well. It helps us to understand how each other feel, & their reasons for feeling so passionately about why we do things the way we do. I hope that you don't think that I was criticizing the indoor outdoor debate? That is not the case at all! This is entirely different. I think we have started to think the way we do about enclosures, because of incidents such as Ringo being shot @. I think we do it to ease our conscience about taking an already outdoor cat's liberty away. It's a conscience thing I suppose. However, as you rightly point out, most cats that live indoors, are perfectly happy they way life is. I just noticed that not many of our american correspondents ever talk about cat enclosures, & I wondered why that was. Thank you for indulging me Cindy Sheelagh"o" Your cat was shot at? Really? Someone actually used a gun on your cat? Why, for heaven's sake?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Long story, but we live in the UK , where it is perfectly normal to allow your cat outside; In fact it is considered unusual not to allow them to roam. But, yes, he was shot @ but not with a firearm as such, it was a BB gun, but it still made a mess of the poor old fellow, & he suffered terribly. As to why? Why do teenagers think it is funny to use live animals as target practise? I don't suppose I will ever get the answer to that question, because I simply don't understand either. The cat enclosure has allowed us to offer a bit more freedom to the inside cats we already had, & a safe environment for an old outside cat to enjoy, without the fear of being shot again.. He will only go outside in human or feline company now. What do we expect though.. it must have been really traumatic for him. Thanks for asking though... Sheelagh "o" |
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On Aug 22, 3:30 pm, "Sheelagh o"
wrote: On 22 Aug, 20:22, Dom wrote: On Aug 22, 3:18 pm, "Sheelagh o" wrote: On 22 Aug, 17:34, "cindys" wrote: "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote in messagenews:7709f626f2119@uwe... For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. ---------- Very few people in the USA have cat enclosures. We either keep the cats inside or let the cats out. None of the cat rescue groups will adopt out a cat unless the wannabe slave first signs an agreement to keep the cat inside at all times (and not to declaw). As time goes on, more and more people belong to the "inside only" mindset. However, I doubt any of the rescue groups would object to an enclosure. The only reason I don't let my older cats out into our fenced yard (these are senior cats who could never jump the fence) is that outside = fleas. In all the years I have had cats, the only times I have ever had problems with fleas was when we were living in an apartment building and someone else's cat went outside and brought them into the building and on two other occasions when we brought in foster cats from the rescue agency. And I have never treated my cats for fleas as a precaution. I have done so only on the couple of occasions where there was a bonafide flea problem. In the first situation, once the fleas were in the building, we could not get rid of them. This was in the days before Revolution et al and our cats were forced to endure several flea "dips" only to have fleas again within the week. The apartment was flea-bombed and the carpets and furniture were treated by an exterminator every six weeks! And to no avail. After a year and a half of this, the only way we escaped the fleas was to buy a house and move out of the apartment. I had the new house pre-exterminated (before we moved in), and I also had the exterminator treat the furniture one last time. I never want to endure that ordeal again. All of my five current cats seem perfectly content inside the house, and for me, it's just not worth the flea risk to let them go out, and while I think Revolution is generally safe, it does still have a potential for toxicity, so I would prefer to avoid it if I can, particularly for the senior cats. Aside from the flea issue, I think the enclosure is a fantastic idea, and if I weren't so worried about fleas, I would have one in a heartbeat! Best regards, ---Cindy S. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - I can understand that, it is a very valid reason. Thank you for the explanation as well. It helps us to understand how each other feel, & their reasons for feeling so passionately about why we do things the way we do. I hope that you don't think that I was criticizing the indoor outdoor debate? That is not the case at all! This is entirely different. I think we have started to think the way we do about enclosures, because of incidents such as Ringo being shot @. I think we do it to ease our conscience about taking an already outdoor cat's liberty away. It's a conscience thing I suppose. However, as you rightly point out, most cats that live indoors, are perfectly happy they way life is. I just noticed that not many of our american correspondents ever talk about cat enclosures, & I wondered why that was. Thank you for indulging me Cindy Sheelagh"o" Your cat was shot at? Really? Someone actually used a gun on your cat? Why, for heaven's sake?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Long story, but we live in the UK , where it is perfectly normal to allow your cat outside; In fact it is considered unusual not to allow them to roam. But, yes, he was shot @ but not with a firearm as such, it was a BB gun, but it still made a mess of the poor old fellow, & he suffered terribly. As to why? Why do teenagers think it is funny to use live animals as target practise? I don't suppose I will ever get the answer to that question, because I simply don't understand either. The cat enclosure has allowed us to offer a bit more freedom to the inside cats we already had, & a safe environment for an old outside cat to enjoy, without the fear of being shot again.. He will only go outside in human or feline company now. What do we expect though.. it must have been really traumatic for him. Thanks for asking though... Sheelagh "o" We have examples of this kind of horrible animal cruelty also. I don't know if you heard about it in the UK, but here in the US, a football player (wealthy beyond belief) was running a dog-fighting ring on the side. He was even training the dogs for fighting. Others said he would often kill a dog that didn't perform up to expectations. Here are two comments on this hideous oaf that I think are priceless; http://www.newstalk 650.com/loucks/ index.php? itemid=231 http://www.vickdogc hewtoy.com/ |
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How do other People Feel about the subject of cat enclosures.
On 22 Aug, 17:03, "sheelagh" u33188@uwe wrote:
For some weeks I have been pondering the subject of how our friends in the USA view Cat enclosures. Whether the vast majority use them? Or do most people not use them? I don't really know because the subject has never really arisen. As most of you know, I decided that the time had come for me to choose to contain my cat's after Ringo was left for dead. I don't regret it, in fact, I have become a great advocate for them. I just wondered how most other people view cat enclosures in other places in the world. Not just the USA, also, Canada, Australia, Europe, everywhere really. I said USA, because the vast majority in this group are from the USA. I think the reason that we are starting to use them, is because we feel guilty about the fact that we have taken a part of their liberty has been taken from them, so I feel guilty, & allowing my cats out in an enclosure eases that guilt somewhat. When I tell you that people look @ you like you have lemon lip's, & you lost the plot when you tell them about it. Sometimes it is simply easier to tell people that we have them because we have rescue cat's, & pedigree cat's, it seems to mind set better with them. It is something they can almost guarantee will explain "why" I use one. If I were to say because it is for the protection of my cats, they simply wouldn't understand; what protection? Personally, I take some of my older masters & mistress's out on leads and harness, but the younger one's and the none-fulltimers I only allow only out into the cat pen, in case I loose them. with the older one's, I know that I only have to call them & they will bound back to me. but, I wouldn't like to take that risk. I would be interested to know how you think of them & whether they are something that you would consider... or not, as the case may be? I wonder if you feel it would confuse the cat, or frighten them, or whether you simply don't think it is safe for you to do- And why, as long as you don't mind sharing it. It's not just the cats behaviour here that interests me- It is how we as people view the subject, & why if no one minds sharing what they feel about them please? TIA, Sheelagh "o" -- Sheelagh "o" Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com can't afford to build one right now, but when mr mcgregor starts thinking abuot giong out into the garden we will ahve to get some big fencing panels and block off the gate at the end of the garden and the 'tunnel under the fence at the end (where jessie built her escape route into next doors garden) as apparantly he is a bit of a wanderer. He aparantly tends to wander off, forgets where he is and how he got there and doesn't come back for days, so we are goign to have tomake the back garden secure. he is VERY unlikely to be able to jump over anything (his ample girth is the limiting factor here) so it won't be too hard, just have to block off any ground level escape routes. we are probably going to get him a harness and take him out for walks around the cul de sac anyway as he is a bit of a couch potato and he really does need to lose some weight, not so much to keep a tight rein on him but more to 'encourage' him into going out for a walk. Jessie doesn't need a harness and lead as she sticks close to me on our little walks, she won't go far away from me at all. right now though, all 3 seem to gone into early hibernation with all the **** weather we are having right now, it really does feel like november this evening, very windy, no fun at all on the river. There seems to be a snoring ball of fur somewhere in each room right now, on a sofa, on a bed, on a beanbag, and they dont't seem to be too bothered about going for excursions right now, they are not stupid, they know where it is warm dry and close to copious amounts of food and human slaves. gettign mr mcgregor with his 'wandering' habit has made me think about gettign the backl garden more enclosed and secure and I know i will have to do that before he goes out into it, but i am not keen on building a massive enclosure over the whole thing. for a start i have no money to do so, and also this house is rendted and I doubt that the landlord will take too kindly to us dong weird stuff in his back garden, not that he would ever come round to check, but i don't want to push it. any decisions on the case with the negligent vet, re-lilly? any fuirther thoughts on what you will do? bookie |
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Why do teenagers think it is funny to use live animals as target
practise? because they're ****s and need a good kicking, as do their parents for not bringing them up properly to be able to respect all life and behave in a decent manner thought we'd been through all this? |
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