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OT Right not to life!!
You know when someone reaches that certain point in their life where their quality of life just is not what it should be we should have the right to end it if that is what we want without anyone telling us what we should do!!! Right now it takes more then I have to go day after day and for what?!?!? I messed up the first time but not again!!! Life is not worth it after a certain point!!! |
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kraut / larry stark wrote:
You know when someone reaches that certain point in their life where their quality of life just is not what it should be we should have the right to end it if that is what we want without anyone telling us what we should do!!! Right now it takes more then I have to go day after day and for what?!?!? I messed up the first time but not again!!! Life is not worth it after a certain point!!! ++++++ I have a plaque in my bathroom which reads: "Start each day as though your life has just begun" Best wishes. MLB |
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On May 1, 10:00*am, MLB wrote:
I have a plaque in my bathroom which reads: "Start each day as though your life has just begun" You have words of true wisdom pinned to your bathroom wall Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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kraut / larry stark wrote: You know when someone reaches that certain point in their life where their quality of life just is not what it should be we should have the right to end it if that is what we want without anyone telling us what we should do!!! Right now it takes more then I have to go day after day and for what?!?!? I messed up the first time but not again!!! Life is not worth it after a certain point!!! I'd say that would depend upon your reason for ending it all. Revenge? "I'll show them all"? "They'll be sorry when I'm dead"? Consider the guilt many people feel when a loved once commits suicide, and spare THEM the pain (however great your own may be). |
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On May 1, 12:58*pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: *Consider the guilt many people feel when a loved once commits suicide, and spare THEM * the pain (however great your own may be). My good friend Tel is a suicide survivor- his younger brother hung himself almost 15 years ago. He;s been treated for depression multiple times himself since then and every weekend takes flowers to his brothers grave and sits there asking himself if he could have stopped it, why didn't he recognise the signs? Would you really want to do that to anyone who gives a damn about you? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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Lesley Madigan wrote:
My good friend Tel is a suicide survivor- his younger brother hung himself almost 15 years ago. He;s been treated for depression multiple times himself since then and every weekend takes flowers to his brothers grave and sits there asking himself if he could have stopped it, why didn't he recognise the signs? Would you really want to do that to anyone who gives a damn about you? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I don't think anyone who's lost someone to suicide ever gets over it. My younger brother took his life 12 years ago, sometimes it feels like it was only yesterday and hurts just as much. -- Adrian |
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"Adrian" wrote in message ... Lesley Madigan wrote: My good friend Tel is a suicide survivor- his younger brother hung himself almost 15 years ago. He;s been treated for depression multiple times himself since then and every weekend takes flowers to his brothers grave and sits there asking himself if he could have stopped it, why didn't he recognise the signs? Would you really want to do that to anyone who gives a damn about you? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I don't think anyone who's lost someone to suicide ever gets over it. My younger brother took his life 12 years ago, sometimes it feels like it was only yesterday and hurts just as much. -- Adrian I'm sorry to hear that, Adrian. John's father took his own life. He's never gotten over it. He wonders about it all the time - is there something he could have done? What was it that pushed him over the edge? 35 years later he's still agonizing over it. Suicide is selfish. There are always people left who feel the repercussions for the rest of their lives. The person ending theirs doesn't think about the ripples in the water. Jill |
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jmcquown wrote:
John's father took his own life. He's never gotten over it. He wonders about it all the time - is there something he could have done? What was it that pushed him over the edge? 35 years later he's still agonizing over it. Suicide is selfish. There are always people left who feel the repercussions for the rest of their lives. The person ending theirs doesn't think about the ripples in the water. There are probably many reasons why people commit suicide, but if someone is mentally ill, you really have no idea how much pain they might be in. Maybe every moment of their life is complete agony. They might not feel anything for the people in their life because their brain chemistry is so screwed up they've lost the ability. Maybe they feel like they're surrounded by aliens, or imposters. Maybe they feel like *they* are the imposter. Maybe they believe they're being hunted by conspirators, and when they're caught, they're going to be tortured endlessly. Maybe their mind is a jumble of incoherent thoughts and they're not able to formulate a rational plan for getting help - all they know is they have to escape this horrifying existence. For someone in that state of mind, being called "selfish" - if it's even meaningful at all - is laughable. It's a mere drop in the bucket of misery. If someone can't stand being alive, I can't expect them to continue living just for my sake, or anyone's sake. If knowing that other people need you is enough - maybe just barely, but enough - to keep you from ending your life, then you still have one foot in the land of the living. That's not the case with everyone. That doesn't mean I wouldn't do everything in my power to prevent it. I know this about myself because I've lived it. Years ago, someone very close to me struggled daily with the desire to commit suicide. She was in the kind of pain I described above. I comforted, reassured, begged and pleaded, called the police on her. I told her therapist, her friends, her AA sponsor - whoever would listen - what was going on. Lots of people kept an eye on her. I knew that if she was really serious about dying (most people are at least a little ambivalent), she would find a way, no matter how many people were watching out for her. But if I could help it, she'd never get the chance. But it would never have occurred to me to *judge* her for it. It's easy to judge - it's a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't take much thought. I think for a lot of people, pointing fingers and making judgements is a way of coping with the total loss of control you feel when someone you love wants to die. And I felt a lot of things - sadness, anger, constant anxiety, guilt, protectiveness, hopelessness, exhaustion. But after witnessing up close what she went through, and the courage it often took for her to get through another day, I don't believe it is my place to tell anyone else what their priorities should be about such basic existential decisions. Joyce -- A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere. -- Groucho Marx |
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On May 1, 12:58*pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: *"They'll be sorry when I'm dead"? * A long time ago when I was the ugly fat teenage girl- some so called friends used to tell me so and so wanted to dance with me then have a game where they'd bring some guy forward who'd take one look at me then run off screaming- I had minus zero confidence, a mother (who although I feel guilty about saying it because I did love her or at least wanted her to love me as much as she did my brothers although to be realistic I would have had to grow a penis) who on a daily basis kept that confidence level at minus zero One night I actually picked up a bottle of aspirin from the kitchen, went to the bathroom, opened the bottle looked at it and thought "They'll be sorry when I'm dead" At this point my rather more prosaic personality kicked in and suddenly I screamed (mum yelled at me to shut up) "THEY WON'T BE SORRY THEY'LL BE GLAD! WHY SHOULD I MAKE THEM GLAD? AM I SO DESPERATE FOR THEIR APPROVAL THAT I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HAPPY IF I AM DEAD?! SOD THEM I AM GOING TO LIVE AND ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF THEM FOR JUST BEING AROUND?!" And that's been my motto ever since-I ain;t gonna kill myself just because someone doesn't like me, because like when I had this thing at work recently the manager involved would have loved to have the drama of me topping myself so she could look good and add "crisis management" to her CV- why should I do what she wants and give her the pleasure? Still around and still annoying people ain;t gonna top myself just cos someone does not like ,me/approve of me or whatever- no one has ever had that power over me and as I get older I get harder- guess what- the fat ugly teenage girl who didn't bow down is now quite starting to like herself.....And I have just today booked in for the deep purple lowlights I have always ....I am goin' purple next Friday! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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"Lesley Madigan" wrote in message ... On May 1, 12:58 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: "They'll be sorry when I'm dead"? A long time ago when I was the ugly fat teenage girl- some so called friends used to tell me so and so wanted to dance with me then have a game where they'd bring some guy forward who'd take one look at me then run off screaming- I had minus zero confidence, a mother (who although I feel guilty about saying it because I did love her or at least wanted her to love me as much as she did my brothers although to be realistic I would have had to grow a penis) who on a daily basis kept that confidence level at minus zero One night I actually picked up a bottle of aspirin from the kitchen, went to the bathroom, opened the bottle looked at it and thought "They'll be sorry when I'm dead" At this point my rather more prosaic personality kicked in and suddenly I screamed (mum yelled at me to shut up) "THEY WON'T BE SORRY THEY'LL BE GLAD! WHY SHOULD I MAKE THEM GLAD? AM I SO DESPERATE FOR THEIR APPROVAL THAT I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HAPPY IF I AM DEAD?! SOD THEM I AM GOING TO LIVE AND ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF THEM FOR JUST BEING AROUND?!" And that's been my motto ever since-I ain;t gonna kill myself just because someone doesn't like me, because like when I had this thing at work recently the manager involved would have loved to have the drama of me topping myself so she could look good and add "crisis management" to her CV- why should I do what she wants and give her the pleasure? Still around and still annoying people ain;t gonna top myself just cos someone does not like ,me/approve of me or whatever- no one has ever had that power over me and as I get older I get harder- guess what- the fat ugly teenage girl who didn't bow down is now quite starting to like herself.....And I have just today booked in for the deep purple lowlights I have always ....I am goin' purple next Friday! -------- you go, girl. i am so proud of you. |
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