A question about feeding canned food...

From: (jamie)

LOL! Megan, where do you get your nutritional knowledge? The analogy you
gave
is like telling somebody that there is no harm in eating a diet high in
sodium
until after they suffer a heart attack!

LOL! Gaub, where do you get your nutritional knowledge?
While it was once believed that eating high sodium caused high blood
pressure, it was proven years ago that only a small percentage of
hypertensives are adversely affected by sodium, and that eating a
lot of sodium doesn't cause high blood pressure in most people.


It's a risk factor, plain and simple. Would you drive around at night without
your headlights on--even though there is no guarantee that you'll crash in the
dark? The subject here is cats. Kidney disease (for example) is a leading
killer of cats. The problem is that we can't diagnose it until it's too late.
We don't know which cats will ultimately suffer from renal failure. Why would
you recommend a high sodium diet to *any* cat, not knowing if a cat's kidneys
are compromised or not? There is a lot of research showing that high levels of
sodium can exacerbate kidney disease.

And I believe that my analogy still stands. If a person is prone to a heart
attack, they probably should cut back on their sodium intake. I'm not a
cardiologist, however.

From:

Steve wrote:
snip typcal Hills rhetoric and data that does nothing to prove
phosphorus *causes* renal failure


Steve has NEVER said before on these ngs that phosphorus CAUSES kidney disease.
Why you're spinning it like that, I don't know?

Not ONE WORD you posted shows that phosphorus "causes" renal failure n
healthy cats and, since I said that it would be contraindicated in cats
with kidney issues, how could you disagree?

He never said that it does. But if one is concerned with managing risk
factors, then that should be taken into consideration. Why *anybody* would
actively recommend feeding a food high in phosphorus or salt as being a good
idea, is just being careless!

And while you're
at it, explain how the perfect food for the cat (a mouse) is higher in
phosphorus than commercial cat foods yet is the optimal diet.

Who says that a mouse is a "perfect food for the cat"?? As for cats (in the
wild) who have to live off of mice, I wonder what their life expectancy is??

From:

Steve wrote:
snip typcal Hills rhetoric and data that does nothing to prove
phosphorus *causes* renal failure


Steve has NEVER said before on these ngs that phosphorus CAUSES kidney disease.
Why you're spinning it like that, I don't know?

Not ONE WORD you posted shows that phosphorus "causes" renal failure n
healthy cats and, since I said that it would be contraindicated in cats
with kidney issues, how could you disagree?

He never said that it does. But if one is concerned with managing risk
factors, then that should be taken into consideration. Why *anybody* would
actively recommend feeding a food high in phosphorus or salt as being a good
idea, is just being careless!

And while you're
at it, explain how the perfect food for the cat (a mouse) is higher in
phosphorus than commercial cat foods yet is the optimal diet.

Who says that a mouse is a "perfect food for the cat"?? As for cats (in the
wild) who have to live off of mice, I wonder what their life expectancy is??

From:
Date: 9/14/04 10:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Oh, and Kaeli,
It's best to just ignore Steve Crane and Gaubster. They both lie and
post deceitful innuendo to promote their Hills agenda, and Gobby scans
the newsgroup wth bated breath looking for any post that resembles a
food discussion so he can jump in, post lies, spout rhetoric, attack,
namecall and make accusations while expecting everyone else to do his
research for him. My guess is you already know this, as do most members
of this group, but it is always worthwhile to mention it for new readers
that haven't figured it out yet.

Megan.

LOL! You're absolutely crazy, you know that?? I find it quite telling that
you find it neccessary to try and get people to discount what either one of
says. You can't tolerate dissenting opinions. And I've seen Steve back you
into a corner with FACTS on more than one occasion, so it's no suprise, really,
that you would like others to ignore either one of us! As for your
characterization of me--you're reaaalllllly far off!

From:
Date: 9/14/04 10:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Oh, and Kaeli,
It's best to just ignore Steve Crane and Gaubster. They both lie and
post deceitful innuendo to promote their Hills agenda, and Gobby scans
the newsgroup wth bated breath looking for any post that resembles a
food discussion so he can jump in, post lies, spout rhetoric, attack,
namecall and make accusations while expecting everyone else to do his
research for him. My guess is you already know this, as do most members
of this group, but it is always worthwhile to mention it for new readers
that haven't figured it out yet.

Megan.

LOL! You're absolutely crazy, you know that?? I find it quite telling that
you find it neccessary to try and get people to discount what either one of
says. You can't tolerate dissenting opinions. And I've seen Steve back you
into a corner with FACTS on more than one occasion, so it's no suprise, really,
that you would like others to ignore either one of us! As for your
characterization of me--you're reaaalllllly far off!

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

I'm really glad to hear how Wellness has helped your kitties. Yours is not
the
first post I've read where after switching to Wellness food, the cats do
better. I had fed my previous cats Science Diet and they did poorly on it
too.
IMO there are better foods out there.

LOL! "me, too Lauren" strikes again! You're becoming a parody of yourself!
I've had nothing but good experiences with Science Diet (both dog and cat), so
I suppose your mileage may vary!

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

I'm really glad to hear how Wellness has helped your kitties. Yours is not
the
first post I've read where after switching to Wellness food, the cats do
better. I had fed my previous cats Science Diet and they did poorly on it
too.
IMO there are better foods out there.

LOL! "me, too Lauren" strikes again! You're becoming a parody of yourself!
I've had nothing but good experiences with Science Diet (both dog and cat), so
I suppose your mileage may vary!

From: kaeli

You know, why is it the higher-quality wet looks like paste and the lower-
quality wet is all full of gravy and looks almost good enough for me to eat?

Well, not really, but you know what I mean. *heh*

If you get the canned Wellness, you will see it doesn't have that icky cat
food
smell like Fancy Feast or Scie Die. It doesn't look bad either.

Lauren

I still have not ordered any Wellness. Thanks for bringing this up again and
putting it forefront on my mind. I've noticed the same thing Kaeli has. FF
looks yummy, and the chicken ones smell pretty good. When I would try to switch
them to SD, or Iams, that mushy stuff looks like compacted vomit and smells
likewise.We've made the step to Pro Plan. Nutro they're so-so about.
I am guilty of buying anything that I think Bootsie might actually eat; a can
of something new here and there. She is so petite and tiny and doesn't eat well
when it's hot. She likes fish. I actually bought a packet of the Meow Mix wet
food. She sniffed it and RAN away from the bowl, clear to the back of the
house. It was hysterical. Somehow I don't think she'd make a good
commercial-cat for MM.

Sherry

From: kaeli

You know, why is it the higher-quality wet looks like paste and the lower-
quality wet is all full of gravy and looks almost good enough for me to eat?

Well, not really, but you know what I mean. *heh*

If you get the canned Wellness, you will see it doesn't have that icky cat
food
smell like Fancy Feast or Scie Die. It doesn't look bad either.

Lauren

I still have not ordered any Wellness. Thanks for bringing this up again and
putting it forefront on my mind. I've noticed the same thing Kaeli has. FF
looks yummy, and the chicken ones smell pretty good. When I would try to switch
them to SD, or Iams, that mushy stuff looks like compacted vomit and smells
likewise.We've made the step to Pro Plan. Nutro they're so-so about.
I am guilty of buying anything that I think Bootsie might actually eat; a can
of something new here and there. She is so petite and tiny and doesn't eat well
when it's hot. She likes fish. I actually bought a packet of the Meow Mix wet
food. She sniffed it and RAN away from the bowl, clear to the back of the
house. It was hysterical. Somehow I don't think she'd make a good
commercial-cat for MM.

Sherry

In article , zuzu22
@webtv.net enlightened us with...
We got a can of anything Whole Foods
had.

Whole Foods doesn't carry Wellness, so it's likely you haven't tried it.

Megan


Yeah, you're right - I went to that site and looked at the cans, and it
didn't look at all familiar. I also found a place kinda sorta nearby that
carries it, so I'm going to pop over this weekend and check it out.

Thanks for the help!

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