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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
"bookie" wrote in message ups.com... sooooooooooooo sorry you americans take yourselves so bloody seriously, were you not aware that pretty much the rest of the world think you as a nation are a bunch of inbred, ignorant warmongerers? were you not aware of how much the rest of the world laughs at you all and think you're all morons? ignorance is bliss isn't it? at least we brits can laugh at ourselves when required, we can take a bit of a dig at the way we live and admit that some aspects of our society as far from perfect, can't say teh same about you yanks. anyway, no law against hating americans and considering them to be not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on? what do you expect when you reply to people in the tones you have been above dear oh dear oh dear Wow! You certainly are good at overgeneralizations. You're right, there's no law against hating Americans and considerting them to be not even worthy enough for you to wipe your feet on. On the other hand, there's also no law that would prohibit you (and some others on the newsgroup) from using a little courtesy. MaryL |
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On Jun 2, 11:37 pm, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER
Wow! You certainly are good at overgeneralizations. You're right, there's no law against hating Americans and considerting them to be not even worthy enough for you to wipe your feet on. On the other hand, there's also no law that would prohibit you (and some others on the newsgroup) from using a little courtesy. courtesy and common sense it takes an ignorant so an so to mistreat a stranger IOW's you ain't lost nothin MaryL ok, so we lost the adoration of one constipated pale writer |
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My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!
On Jun 1, 7:23 pm, bookie wrote:
On 2 Jun, 00:05, wrote: On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:13:44 GMT, "Lilah Morgan" wrote: I thought the lady who sued McDonald's for getting her fat was bad, but my mom heard about this one gal who was driving down the road in her RV, and she had to go to the bathroom, so she puts the RV in cruise control, LEAVES THE WHEEL, and gets up to go to the bathroom. Of course the RV crashes. She's not seriously hurt, but she sues the RV manufacturer because they didn't say in the manual you can't leave the wheel unattended when it's in cruise control. If that's not bad enough, she WON the lawsuit. Snopes! http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp There are many version of that story to be found. i heard the one about the woman who bought a coffee from a McDonalds drive-thru, wedged it in between her legs to hold it as she drove off, and when she inevitably spilt it over her ample thighs she sued McDonalds for persoanl injury or something because of the massive scalding and burns to her legs and general 'lady area' she suffered as a result of her own stupidity. I think the lawyers claimed that she had no idea that the coffee was going to be so hot or something incredibly stupid like that. If someone tried that in this country it woudl be laughed out of court, if it even got that fair in the first place, any judge woudl just tell the silly old mare that she should not have been so damn stupid and what she did was her own damn fault. That's the popular version of the story, promoted by the "tort reform" crowd who want to make it prohibitively hard for individuals to sue corporations, ever. The reality was rather different. A) She wasn't the driver; she was a passenger. B)The car was parked, not moving. PARKED, in the designated area of the McDonald's lot for drive-up customers. C) McDonald's served its coffee 40F hotter than any other major chain. People expect coffee to be hot; they don't expect it to be 40F hotter than anyone else serves it. McD's had been warned repeatedly that it was a problem--including previous lawsuits settled for lower amounts. D) The coffee spilled because the cup lid was defective. McDonald's was ALSO on notice that the lids were defective, and had chosen not to replace them before that supply ran out--to save money, you see. McDonald's lost that case in court because the jury was prevented with overwhelming evidence that the stupidity and carelessness in the case was McDonald's, not the woman's. They did, however, win in the arena of public opinion, where trivial things like facts don't matter.' is it correct that you have the right to have any case heard in a court of law inthe US? regardless of how outlandish it actually is? something in your constitution or something, not sure about the veracity of that statement.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone can sue anyone about anything. That doesn't mean it won't get thrown out as frivolous, or malicious, and lawyers who cooperate in friviolous or malicious lawsuits can be disbarred, which is a pretty strong disincentive to bringing cases you can't win anyway. Lis |
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On Jun 3, 3:02 am, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER
wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message hlink.net... "sheelagh" wrote in message oups.com... Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. I know the UK is more considerate when it comes to animals than the US is. A friend of mine in Liverpool adopted a kitten last year, and here in the States, at animal shelters you basically just pay like $50 and you get to take the animal home. snip This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. Mary, when i made this post, I had just read a post called "Lots of pets in need of homes, the shelters are full". Next to this was a link provided. I quickly skimmed through it & "assumed" it was a shelter advertising pets that needed re homing. http://www.tradeurban.com/?action=search&cat=6 Lis has since explained that it is simply an advertising link for kitten mill & dog millers too. Had I realised this then, I would never have have posted anything regarding this issue. Since then, lis has responded to me, explaining that it wasn't a genuine shelter post... It was never my intention to enrage, upset or otherwise annoy people who genuinely work very hard to ensure that they cats get the very best that volunteers & key workers do, day in & out. I fully appreciate how hard they work & I commend & thank them for it too. if anyone was offended by anything I wrote in that post, then I apologise. I wasn't talking about shelters in that post. It was more to do with the welfare of pets that people/owners couldn't afford to take to the vets. Again, since then, I have done a bit of homework of my own. Take -L's post a few days ago? On 2 Jun, 04:23, sheelagh wrote: On Jun 2, 3:55 am, "-L." wrote: An acquaintance has a number of intact stray cats and no funds - does anyone know of a TTVNR or low-cost S/N clinic in mid-Michigan? Please reply here and/or send an email. Address is good. Thanks! -L. I wonder if this might be some help to you L? I hope it is what you were looking for? http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html#mi S;o) Going by your own experiences, crossed with what I have found personally, alone, It is quite clear to me that if you really want your cat seen by a vet, then it is possible, if only you will seek far enough. It is clear that it is more a question of whether people we see post here, can be bothers to look for it, not the other way around @ all!! I am sorry if you were offended, genuinely so too! S. |
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"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
... I wasn't questioning a statement that *some* shelters may follow that policy, and I wasn't concentrating on citizenship (although I assumed that you are a US citizen or at least live here). My concern is that you have taken your experience and seem to assum that *all* shelters operate that way. My experience has been exactly the opposite -- but that does not mean that all shelters are well run, it only means that my experience has not been the same as yours. Moreover, ten years would not make the difference. What makes the difference is that there are many thousands of shelters in the US, and there are many variations among them. MaryL I would hope that not all shelters are run that way, but given that you said your local shelter(I think it was your local one?) gets criticized seriously for not just handing the pet over after the adoption fee is paid, I'd say that people think that's how it done given their experiences. I'd actually prefer it if your shelter was the rule, not the apparent exception. Pets are people too. There's no reason they(shelters) couldn't take more time to make sure the pets are going to a good stable home. Lack of funds is not an excuse. Shelters who just take the fee and then give the pets over, they've been in big cities(not just small rural towns) where they can get donations to cover the cost of making sure they're doing the right thing. If we didn't live an hour away from the shelter here, I'd probably be volunteering at the shelter in my spare time, and doing what I can to make them more than just basically a pet store. I've never adopted from them, but we did look into the shelter when we moved here, and they actually want you to pay to drop an animal off. |
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Lis wrote:
On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote: No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said: "anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it (and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different ways in which we look at our animasl for me" You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied that all our cats are unhappy, too. A hateful attitude towards the US is not uncommon among Brits. My theory on this is they're upset about the loss of their empire, of which the US would have been the "crown jewel" had they been able to hang onto it. You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats, because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with; they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked furniture, either. Lis |
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"sheelagh" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 3, 3:02 am, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message hlink.net... "sheelagh" wrote in message oups.com... Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. I know the UK is more considerate when it comes to animals than the US is. A friend of mine in Liverpool adopted a kitten last year, and here in the States, at animal shelters you basically just pay like $50 and you get to take the animal home. snip This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL Bookie isn't the only one who thinks this way. I find it rather hard to understand as well, but then again, I live in the UK too.. Mary, when i made this post, I had just read a post called "Lots of pets in need of homes, the shelters are full". Next to this was a link provided. I quickly skimmed through it & "assumed" it was a shelter advertising pets that needed re homing. http://www.tradeurban.com/?action=search&cat=6 Lis has since explained that it is simply an advertising link for kitten mill & dog millers too. Had I realised this then, I would never have have posted anything regarding this issue. Since then, lis has responded to me, explaining that it wasn't a genuine shelter post... It was never my intention to enrage, upset or otherwise annoy people who genuinely work very hard to ensure that they cats get the very best that volunteers & key workers do, day in & out. I fully appreciate how hard they work & I commend & thank them for it too. if anyone was offended by anything I wrote in that post, then I apologise. I wasn't talking about shelters in that post. It was more to do with the welfare of pets that people/owners couldn't afford to take to the vets. Again, since then, I have done a bit of homework of my own. Take -L's post a few days ago? On 2 Jun, 04:23, sheelagh wrote: On Jun 2, 3:55 am, "-L." wrote: An acquaintance has a number of intact stray cats and no funds - does anyone know of a TTVNR or low-cost S/N clinic in mid-Michigan? Please reply here and/or send an email. Address is good. Thanks! -L. I wonder if this might be some help to you L? I hope it is what you were looking for? http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html#mi S;o) Going by your own experiences, crossed with what I have found personally, alone, It is quite clear to me that if you really want your cat seen by a vet, then it is possible, if only you will seek far enough. It is clear that it is more a question of whether people we see post here, can be bothers to look for it, not the other way around @ all!! I am sorry if you were offended, genuinely so too! S. Thanks, Sheelagh. No, you didn't offend me. I just wanted to make a correction because there are actually a wide variety of levels of shelters in the US (and probably in other countries as well). One problem that is tragically similar for all shelters except for the no-kill shelters (which are distinctly in the minority and often have to turn away cats and dogs because they are filled) is that far too many animals have to be euthanized because there are no homes for them. We have spay/neuter programs, but there are still far too many people who fail to have that done and far too many where animals are simply abandoned or neglected. So, it really is a big problem. On the positive side, we have a great many people who genuinely love their pets and will do their utmost to see that their cats or dogs (or horses or...) are happy and well-cared-for. MaryL |
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bookie wrote:
On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote: On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote: and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked You're the one who said it was all scratched up and "ancient". |
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On Jun 3, 3:40 am, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER
wrote: "Lilah Morgan" wrote in message link.net... "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message ... This is absolutely *not true.* There are some shelters that do that, but there are many more that have policies designed to protect the welfare of pets that are adopted. Please check for my message in this thread where I described the process when I adopted Duffy -- definitely *not* what you described! I adopted Duffy from a shelter about 30-35 miles from my home. Our local shelter is often criticized (almost to the point of abuse) because they will *not* do as you claimed. Many people are almost enraged because they have fairly stringent adoption policies and some people seem to think that "any home is better than euthanasia" (where clearly that is often not the case). So, it's true that some shelters are not worthy of the name "shelter," but you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). MaryL For the record, I am American citizen. And I have lived in 3 different states where that's how we adopted our pets. Granted it's been well over 10 years since we've adopted a pet from a shelter(all our dogs now have come to us because people we knew wouldn't fix their pets and had litters as a result), so the rules indeed may have changed, but I am speaking from legitimate experience. I wasn't questioning a statement that *some* shelters may follow that policy, and I wasn't concentrating on citizenship (although I assumed that you are a US citizen or at least live here). My concern is that you have taken your experience and seem to assum that *all* shelters operate that way. My experience has been exactly the opposite -- but that does not mean that all shelters are well run, it only means that my experience has not been the same as yours. Moreover, ten years would not make the difference. What makes the difference is that there are many thousands of shelters in the US, and there are many variations among them. MaryL- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wasn't questioning a statement that *some* shelters may follow that policy, and I wasn't concentrating on citizenship (although I assumed that you are a US citizen or at least live here). My concern is that you have taken your experience and seem to assum that *all* shelters operate that way. My experience has been exactly the opposite -- but that does not mean that all shelters are well run, it only means that my experience has not been the same as yours. Moreover, ten years would not make the difference. What makes the difference is that there are many thousands of shelters in the US, and there are many variations among them. It is the same in the UK as well. There are plenty well meaning people who take it upon themselves to rescue cats for whatever thier reasons are, then find it all a bit too much to cope with, & of course it is the animals that suffer in the end... you simply cannot lump all US facilities together into one bundle (and I would expect that's true of most countries). We do have badly run shelters. Generally they don't get very far, because as I am sure you would all do, we report anything that we feel might be amiss to the RSPCA & they check them out. I'm certain it must be the same for you too? It's only the odd bad egg that gives the others a bad name..... And the RSPCA has the added burden of having to try & clean them all up, feed them, socialise them, then find new homes!! A lot of work for all concerned & sad when you see it happening. It's a global problem- not simply in one country or another.... I think it is in human nature to categorize certain races with habits and behaviour that we "see as wrong" when it comes to our pets..( I must stress @ this point, that I don't think it is correct- merely human nature, I think) the other day, I was watching a program on TV, where the host of the show was offered fried Dog in China. Personally, I think this is slightly different when it comes to not understanding the other nations habits & what they consider as "normal".. I find this very distasteful & also very hard to accept as normal. I wonder if I had come from there, whether I would see it in the same light as they seemed to? And, would I take offense if someone questioned that practise? This has nothing to do with this topic, I am merely questioning whether I would see it in the same light? S;o) |
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bookie wrote:
On 2 Jun, 04:27, Lis wrote: sooooooooooooo sorry you americans take yourselves so bloody seriously, were you not aware that pretty much the rest of the world think you as a nation are a bunch of inbred, ignorant warmongerers? LOL - Say what you want. You're just jealous. And besides Vietnam, I cannot think of any war in recent memory in which the Brits weren't fighting alongside the US - unless you include the Falklands War which was just another desperate attempt by the UK to hold onto the remains of their once mighty and vast empire. In this case, they were defending an island populated mainly by sheep. were you not aware of how much the rest of the world laughs at you all and think you're all morons? We laugh at you and statements like yours prove you're morons. ignorance is bliss isn't it? at least we brits can laugh at ourselves when required, we can take a bit of a dig at the way we live and admit that some aspects of our society as far from perfect, can't say teh same about you yanks. That's because you're ignorant - Is it as blissful as you say? anyway, no law against hating americans and considering them to be not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on? what do you expect when you reply to people in the tones you have been above Heh - you should take a good look in the mirror. dear oh dear oh dear |
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