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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" wrote in message
... On Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:59:52 PM UTC-6, Bastette wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Thanks for the ideas though. A friend suggested getting everyone in town to dress up and do our own rain dance, but the "suits" said that would be insulting to certain peoples (um, hello? I *am* one of those certain peoples, and I think it's a great idea). The suit's comment also assumes that none of those certain peoples would be participating, so "we" are going to insult "them." As though "they" are not even part of the proceedings. Exactly my point. It was actually humorous, if it hadn't been so stupid. I mean, why not get the whole town together, we can chant, sing, praise [whomever], and be a *community*. Oops, can't do that. Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect! Yes, but only by people who don't think about the issues very deeply. I hate the melting pot idea - let's all become one big blob of non-culture! Usually what that means (in the US) is that anyone who isn't anglo should give up their own culture and assimilate into the dominant (anglo) culture. Often when people say, "Really, we're all the same," they usually mean "Everyone is like me." Oh heavens, I hope everyone isn't like me! That'd be pretty awful (lol). It would definitely be boring if we were all alike. I love learning about different cultures, and even different backgrounds within the same culture. Joy (Arizona's population was hispanic before the anglos took over, yet our schools are now forbidden to include hispanic culture in their curriculum!) I wouldn't consider that to be ""PC in any way, unless PC means "suppress anything except white American culture." In which case, the term has become completely meaningless. |
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"Judith Latham" wrote in message ... In article , Joy wrote: "Pat" wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect! de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very existence is now threatened. How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves? The tactic which has brought us to this state of affairs is called "divide and conquer" and has been promulgated by those who already have more financial assets than they or their descendents will ever need and whose principal drive is to gain more and more power and control. Control over you and me. Some of us can discuss such things rationally, but we have to be very careful who we discuss them with. Too many people become angry and resort to name-calling and insults. I must admit, there are very few people I dare discuss politics with. When my husband was alive, he was not one of them. We belonged to different parties, and learned early in our marriage that we could not discuss partisan politics without becoming angry. Within a month or so, we agreed never to discuss such things. That saved us a lot of arguments. Joy On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful, we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree on some. Judith -- Judith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion and they are always wrong :-) |
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Judith Latham wrote:
On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful, we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree on some. I wouldn't want to be close to someone whose views offended me. I can't separate someone's beliefs from who they are as people. Beliefs express important things about people. But there are a lot of people whose beliefs I can respect, even if I don't share them 100%. Maybe the areas of disagreement aren't as central to either of us. And there are lots of controversial issues where I can see both sides, even when my personal opinion is firmly on one side. But to be partnered with someone, I need to feel like there's enough basic common ground, like we have compatible underlying perspectives on things. We might disagree on details, but we share the important parts of our vision of how things are and how they should be. That's part of what partnership is about to me. All of this is to say that I think you did a wise thing. Yeah, most people wouldn't have that conversation on their first date, but so what? If he had turned out to be, say, an unrepentant racist, it would certainly have been good to know that right from the start, right? Sounds like you and I are pretty close in age. I turned 17 in the fall of '71, graduated HS in '72. -- Joyce I prefer to live with Feline Sapiens, thank you very much. |
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"Matthew" wrote in message
ng.com... ... Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion and they are always wrong :-) "Opinions are like backsides. Everyone has one, but it's unwise to air them in public." - Winston Churchill. -- MatSav |
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"Joy" wrote in message . .. "Pat" wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect! de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very existence is now threatened. How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves? (snippage) Joy My father taught me never to discuss politics or religion. It's too contentious. Those are subjects no one will ever agree about. OB Cats: Persia is losing weight. She's been "fluffy" for years. Losing weight was the goal, but now I think she needs to maintain her present weight. A change of food may be in order. Jill |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message .com... On 6/27/2012 8:32 PM, Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: She posted about the fires around Denver and Colorado Springs (and that the local teamGO BRONCOS) have donated money to assist, today, actually. I cry when I see the evacuation of the horses most of all. A reminder that the wildlife can't be escorted to safety, and how scared the horses must be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My greatest fear in the event of a fire has always been that I could not get to Holly and Duffy (and earlier cats, before them). MaryL |
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"MaryL" wrote in message ... "Cheryl" wrote in message .com... On 6/27/2012 8:32 PM, Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: She posted about the fires around Denver and Colorado Springs (and that the local teamGO BRONCOS) have donated money to assist, today, actually. I cry when I see the evacuation of the horses most of all. A reminder that the wildlife can't be escorted to safety, and how scared the horses must be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My greatest fear in the event of a fire has always been that I could not get to Holly and Duffy (and earlier cats, before them). MaryL Same here right now I know I could grab Jammer anything goes wrong he comes right to me Rumble and ka'shay would run and hide |
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Matthew wrote: "Judith Latham" wrote in message ... On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful, we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree on some. Judith -- Judith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion and they are always wrong :-) W-e-l-l - up to a point, that's a good rule, but when you are considering a permanent relationship..... I was always taught not to ask "personal" questions about people's income, etc., because it was none of my business. I would certainly have saved myself a lot of grief if I had realized that does not apply when you are considering marriage! I knew my ex had a job delivering flowers (not quite as flaky as it sounds, since we were both hoping to sing professionally). What I DIDN'T know (because I didn't ask) was that he was only paid about $1.50 per delivery, and seldom got to work before noon, by which time most floral deliveries are well on their way to their destinations! Even back in the 1960's, that was a pretty low income. (He wasn't a DELIBERATE leech, just a little boy who never grew up, and since he was nearly forty when we married, there wasn't much hope he ever would.) |
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Judith Latham wrote:
Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion and they are always wrong :-) Sometimes other people's ideas are interesting food for thought. However, if they push them in my face, I can't be bothered to listen. That's how I feel. I really enjoy talking about politics. But not when people get totally obnoxious. There are a lot of newsgroups where some truly psychotic ultra-right racists have taken over. Some of them, such as rec.arts.tv, have actual content I'm interested in, but you have to wade through hundreds of posts where people just rant about... things not worthy of mention. Of course I use my killfile, but they're even there in the legit posts. I don't think this group will ever be like that because even when we do talk about politics, it doesn't take over the whole group. And we don't have people whose views are totally extreme. I'm not crazy about rabid leftists, either - even when I more or less agree with what they're saying. It's like, "Alright, alright, preaching to the choir here! Shut up and play some music." But you don't see much of that on Usenet. I've certainly heard it elsewhere, though. -- Joyce "Riveting reading that keeps readers reading." -- The Midwest Book Review |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Joy" wrote in message . .. "Pat" wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect! de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very existence is now threatened. How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves? (snippage) Joy My father taught me never to discuss politics or religion. It's too contentious. Those are subjects no one will ever agree about. OB Cats: Persia is losing weight. She's been "fluffy" for years. Losing weight was the goal, but now I think she needs to maintain her present weight. A change of food may be in order. Jill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I had to increase Holly and Duffy's food (Wellness canned) some time ago. It seems to be "normal" (but not desirable) for cats to gradually lose weight as they age. My vet told me that weight loss usually begins at about age 13. So far, I have been successful in stopping the weight loss but not in increasing their weight. Of course, it's better for them to be slightly underweight rather than overweight. MaryL |
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