My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!

In article 42,
says...
on Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:23:03 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:

My cat is slowly destroying my green leather barca loungers, which cost
about $800 apiece... the most expensive furniture I own.

I may declaw him myself, with angle cutters.

you'll post photos, right?


Sure. I actually have some experience in this area. A few years ago, I
found myself nursing a rooster who had a terrible infection on his legs
and feet. Scaly leg mites, it turned out to be. One of his toes was
beyond saving, and it was curled around under the ball of his foot,
causing him great pain every time he tried to put pressure on that foot.
It was mostly bone with a thin covering of skin, so I lopped it off with
a pair of angle cutters, and I posted a photo of the severed digit lying
next to the cutters.

It didn't seem to bother the bird at all, and it hardly bled, but I
caught hell from a couple of people in sci.ag.poultry for not using an
anesthetic. But I have run this by a couple of vets, and they both said
that injecting the anesthetic would have caused more stress and
discomfort than a quick, decisive amputation.

As for Tweaker, my cat... I suppose I'd have to give him a shot of
whisky at least. Another option would be to fit him out with a shock
collar and zap him whenever he claws the barca lounger.

BUT, I do think I have discouraged this behavior somewhat by simply
clapping my hands and crying "NO!" when I see him do it. Also, the
polished leather is not his favorite type of scratching material. He
prefers the canvas on my futon-factory sofa, and that is a good piece of
furniture for him to slowly destroy.

Charlie

On Jun 1, 2:06 am, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:

It didn't seem to bother the bird at all, and it hardly bled, but I
caught hell from a couple of people in sci.ag.poultry for not using an
anesthetic.
Charlie


I see, the toe was dead and had no feeling (specially with no blood)
like cutting a callous off the foot.

I am sure if you had cut him too deep he would have pecked your eyes

On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote:
On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote:





On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote:

snip

anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me

Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's
controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane
societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat
only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase
contracts.

I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged
furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching
surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are.

As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what
you're talking about.

Lis

i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all.

so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that
when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that
I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat
declawed?- Hide quoted text -

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No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said:

"anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me"

You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who
all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the
Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied
that all our cats are unhappy, too.

You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats,
because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them
to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with;
they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to
do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked
furniture, either.

Lis

On 1 Jun, 03:27, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
In article , says...

"Matthew" wrote
How does it feel bookie ;-) You are stepping up in the world

I am not going to snip your response I really interested in the response.
Can you tell I am bored ;-)

You may be, but you cannot force me to read bookie.

Killfiling Bookie & Sheelagh means passing up a lot of opportunities to
stir the ****.

Charlie

He He He, that works both ways of course though, doesn't it Charlie?

Far be it from me to mince my words.....

I only ever **** stir on well ****ed off mode
Well worth knowing mind you!
S;o)

On 1 Jun, 06:50, "Lilah Morgan" wrote:
Dammit accidentally hit send before I added that if there is another post
where you did say some(for some reason sometimes posts don't show up.
Usually mine, but they show the replies to it), then I apologize.

"Lilah Morgan" wrote in message

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"bookie" wrote in message
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so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that
when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that
I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat
declawed?

You didn't say 'some' though, this was what you said:

"anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

when i put 'you' i meant 'you the country' not 'you personally' I am
not daft enough to say that you the indivdiual has declawed their cat
cos I dontl knwo whether you have or not, i cannot remember whether
certain individuals have or not, i dontl take that much notice
bookie

On 1 Jun, 07:06, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
In article 42,
says... on Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:23:03 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:

My cat is slowly destroying my green leather barca loungers, which cost
about $800 apiece... the most expensive furniture I own.

I may declaw him myself, with angle cutters.

you'll post photos, right?

Sure. I actually have some experience in this area. A few years ago, I
found myself nursing a rooster who had a terrible infection on his legs
and feet. Scaly leg mites, it turned out to be. One of his toes was
beyond saving, and it was curled around under the ball of his foot,
causing him great pain every time he tried to put pressure on that foot.
It was mostly bone with a thin covering of skin, so I lopped it off with
a pair of angle cutters, and I posted a photo of the severed digit lying
next to the cutters.

It didn't seem to bother the bird at all, and it hardly bled, but I
caught hell from a couple of people in sci.ag.poultry for not using an
anesthetic. But I have run this by a couple of vets, and they both said
that injecting the anesthetic would have caused more stress and
discomfort than a quick, decisive amputation.

As for Tweaker, my cat... I suppose I'd have to give him a shot of
whisky at least. Another option would be to fit him out with a shock
collar and zap him whenever he claws the barca lounger.

BUT, I do think I have discouraged this behavior somewhat by simply
clapping my hands and crying "NO!" when I see him do it. Also, the
polished leather is not his favorite type of scratching material. He
prefers the canvas on my futon-factory sofa, and that is a good piece of
furniture for him to slowly destroy.

Charlie

you could always practise on yourself first to maek sure you get it
right, you don't want damage your tools on the cat do you?

On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote:
On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote:





On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote:

On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote:

snip

anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me

Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's
controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane
societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat
only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase
contracts.

I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged
furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching
surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are.

As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what
you're talking about.

Lis

i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all.

so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that
when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that
I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat
declawed?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said:

"anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me"

You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who
all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the
Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied
that all our cats are unhappy, too.

You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats,
because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them
to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with;
they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to
do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked
furniture, either.

Lis- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am
not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or
climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their
minds and so wreck my furniture.

considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much
accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be
careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of
character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally
is not true (but why let that small detail stop you)

sure you want to go down that route?

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:13:44 GMT, "Lilah Morgan"
wrote:

I thought the lady who sued McDonald's for getting her fat was
bad, but my mom heard about this one gal who was driving down the road in
her RV, and she had to go to the bathroom, so she puts the RV in cruise
control, LEAVES THE WHEEL, and gets up to go to the bathroom. Of course the
RV crashes. She's not seriously hurt, but she sues the RV manufacturer
because they didn't say in the manual you can't leave the wheel unattended
when it's in cruise control. If that's not bad enough, she WON the lawsuit.


Snopes!

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp

There are many version of that story to be found.

On 2 Jun, 00:05, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:13:44 GMT, "Lilah Morgan"

wrote:
I thought the lady who sued McDonald's for getting her fat was
bad, but my mom heard about this one gal who was driving down the road in
her RV, and she had to go to the bathroom, so she puts the RV in cruise
control, LEAVES THE WHEEL, and gets up to go to the bathroom. Of course the
RV crashes. She's not seriously hurt, but she sues the RV manufacturer
because they didn't say in the manual you can't leave the wheel unattended
when it's in cruise control. If that's not bad enough, she WON the lawsuit.

Snopes!

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp

There are many version of that story to be found.

i heard the one about the woman who bought a coffee from a McDonalds
drive-thru, wedged it in between her legs to hold it as she drove off,
and when she inevitably spilt it over her ample thighs she sued
McDonalds for persoanl injury or something because of the massive
scalding and burns to her legs and general 'lady area' she suffered as
a result of her own stupidity.

I think the lawyers claimed that she had no idea that the coffee was
going to be so hot or something incredibly stupid like that. If
someone tried that in this country it woudl be laughed out of court,
if it even got that fair in the first place, any judge woudl just tell
the silly old mare that she should not have been so damn stupid and
what she did was her own damn fault.

is it correct that you have the right to have any case heard in a
court of law inthe US? regardless of how outlandish it actually is?
something in your constitution or something, not sure about the
veracity of that statement.

On 1 Jun, 19:03, bookie wrote:
On 1 Jun, 15:54, Lis wrote:





On May 31, 6:32 pm, bookie wrote:

On 31 May, 19:35, Lis wrote:

On May 30, 9:14 pm, bookie wrote:

snip

anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me

Sweetie-pie, _some_ people have their cats declawed. It's
controversial, most vets refuse to do it in most circumstances, humane
societies and breeders generally include BOTH "must be an indoor cat
only" and "must not be declawed" clauses in all adoption/purchase
contracts.

I have happy cats, that have all their claws, AND mostly undamaged
furniture, because I've always provided appropriate scratching
surfaces for my cats, and taught them where they are.

As usual, when blathering on about the USA, you have no idea what
you're talking about.

Lis

i said 'some' people, i didn't mean all.

so i have no idea what I am talking about eh? so you are sayign that
when i state that some people in the US have their cats declawed that
I am wrong ? are you sayign that noone in the states gets their cat
declawed?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, Bookie, you didn't say "some." You said:

"anyway think about the differences in attitudes between us; you have
your cats declawed and have pristine furniture, we have lots of
scratch marks all over our ancient tables and chairs and deal with it
(and have happy cats as a result), says somethign about the different
ways in which we look at our animasl for me"

You presented Americans as callous, furniture-obsessed monsters who
all declaw our cats, in contrast to those decent human beings, the
Brits, who would rather have their furniture wrecked. And you implied
that all our cats are unhappy, too.

You have wrecked furniture. I have intact furniture, AND happy cats,
because I've provided appropriate, attractive-to-them places for them
to climb and scratch and hide. Also toys for them to play with;
they're not bored out of their minds with nothing better for them to
do than wreck my furniture. I bet Sheelagh doesn't have wrecked
furniture, either.

Lis- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and you have just implied that all my furniture is wrecked and I am
not providing my cats with adequate means to sharpen their claws on or
climb and hide and suchlike, and that they are both bored out of their
minds and so wreck my furniture.

considering that with our animal welfare law now you are pretty much
accusing me of breaking the law and of being a criminal, I would be
careful what you say now as it could well amount to defamation of
character. Especially as what you may be implying about me personally
is not true (but why let that small detail stop you)

sure you want to go down that route?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is all going a little bit toooo Far.

If you think I like the sound of my own voice-then you do. Who gives a
monkeys?

If the comment was intended to slight me, then it failed. I don't
feel the need to do the same to you right now......

Just for the record, I could do with a new 3 piece because the cats
have ravaged it in the side and on the arm too. I would love to say
that was the cats wouldn't damage it, but it is not true. They have
also scratched the hell out of my coffee table legs as well, but so
what, I can replace them, where I can't replace them.

To me, if you declaw your cat, it is cruel. I couldn't consider doing
it, & that is the end of the matter. I don't care if they are chinese,
Canadian or Brits, it is wrong-end of.

OTOH, I do actively discourage it where possible, & I get quite peeved
when they climb on the top in the kitchen;only one particular top, but
It's a no no here. My plate & their feet don't mix...marlbes & jars
work well here.....

I don't think for one moment Bookie"intended" to slight anyone here,
sometimes things just come across the wrong way, & I can see where it
did here. Lis, I "know" she certainly didn't intend to provoke you.(or
anyone else). It is out of hand, & we should know better than to
attack one another in here.

There are far more important things we could be talking about without
giving in to what is clearly exactly what the trolls want. We are
creating 7th heaven. how about we stop what we are doing & take a long
hard think about what "could" happen here. I'm done with name
calling.
I'd much rather hear Matthews house Rules over again.. they were
hilarious & I hope he shares them with us all. They were ever so good,
but more to the point, so true, that you had to laugh when you got
through them;o)
I think we can do better than this...don't you?

S;o)