My cat had an accident - I'm sick with worry!

On 5 Jun, 20:30, Lis wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:40 am, sheelagh wrote:





On 5 Jun, 00:15, "Matthew" wrote:

"bookie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On 4 Jun, 17:46, "Matthew" wrote:
"sheelagh" wrote in message

On 3 Jun, 19:06, sheelagh wrote:
On Jun 3, 6:35 pm, "Fred G. Mackey" wrote:
dear oh dear oh dear- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fred...!
Don't ruin my pixel picture of you....

1.If I had said it, does that make Bookie as bad as me?
2.Do you think we all hold the same views?
3.Does that mean if Bookie said so, It is so?
4.we all laugh about each other..Fact!
5.I would like to think that not all Americans are like one of
"our"
more tasteless posters from the USA....?
6.Does that mean if A USA troll posts something rude about me,
that
is
ok, because I am not a USA citizen?

7.We could all learn something from this...

How can you call Bookie for what she has to say when you are
doing
exactly the same thing? Personally, I don't care if you think we
are
all like that, because I know better. I don't "hate you" because
you
come from somewhere different than I do - & nor do I tar you
with
the
same brush as someone who has made very disparaging remarks
about
me,
or the country I live in, simply because that someone comes from
the
USA either......

My point here is that we are all different & most of us have
differing
views on things, but that is not a good reason to class everyone
as
the same as the person who might have offended you.

Mary just has a better way of saying it than I do)
S;o)- Hide quoted text -
Take a Midol or something would you and get over it. It is getting
boring
already- Hide quoted text -

No it is a pill to get over your PMS that you seem to be having for
the
last
week

-

I have a feeling that it is nothing to do with PMs.
It's more to do with berating everyone who acts that way, rather than
just the British ones Matthew, my friend...

Do you think I might be right?
S.

Might be but no reason to take it out on all of us and group us in a hate
mongrel group

But since it has been going on for less than a week I am leaning towards
the
needing of Midol- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i don't get PMS, just irked by cretinous yanks who can't admit to the
flaws in their own country

You are acting like it

Yes every country is screwed up specially this one but ain't that the pot
calling the kettle black for the rest of it

You are old enough to know better to know that sex, politics and religion
should never even be discussed among friends unless you want to make enemies
with every word that is typed or spoken

Now get over it and move on for your country is just f@cked up as the one I
live in as everyone else's is.

Lets every one end this BS and get over it for the trolls are circling and
enjoying the spectacle- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yes every country is screwed up specially this one but ain't that the pot
calling the kettle black for the rest of it

You are old enough to know better to know that sex, politics and religion
should never even be discussed among friends unless you want to make enemies
with every word that is typed or spoken

Now get over it and move on for your country is just f@cked up as the one I
live in as everyone Else's is.

Lets every one end this BS and get over it for the trolls are circling and
enjoying the spectacle-

Matthew, I can't remember saying anything offensive to anyone
here...yet which ever post I go to, I find what I have said typed
there. I have sniped the quotes to show you exactly what I said, &
who to as well......

Sheelagh, the irritation that Matthew, I, and others have been
expressing has been pretty explicitly directed at Bookie and her
periodic, unprompted anti-American rants. Not at you.





( the only bit I didn't snip was the conversation between yourself &
Bookie, because that was relevant to this post, because you both
contributed to it in this particular post).......

The words Pot calling the kettle black is one of my most often stated
comments, because quite often I don't feel that I do have the right to
call anyone else names, because I am guilty of it myself...Yet, as I
read through most peoples posts, I am finding myself quoted in almost
every post about this issue. I don't recall bringing politics,
religion, or sex into this issue. The only recollection I have, was a
comment I made about our own leader, Tony Blair in the UK..(who I
didn't vote for & dislike him for who he is & his values... nothing
else!!).....

I have read & re read everything I typed again & again, but I still
can't find anything that I consider derogatory in my post, to warrant
quoting me as doing any of the activities to which I seem to be
accused of.

I have already apologized to MaryL, for not clarifying what I meant
when I said that I was shocked that there was no help for any pets in
need of emergency care, & explained exactly what I meant through my
own research.( I will go back and number the posts that I mean after
this post, so that you can check for yourself mate)....

The only thing that I can think of is that I am in hot water for
trying to diffuse the bad feeling between Fred & Bookie..I have
inspected it again & all I can see are a few questions that were aimed
at trying to say, we all have differing opinions, & that you can't
blame someone else for what someone else thinks & feels....(ie: if
that is how Bookie feels, then it is- there is nothing I can do to
change her mind..) We all have our own values, & I believe that we
have differing opinions on certain subjects. If I have a problem then
it is "my" problem to sort out with the person concerned..Not Bookie's
if you see what I mean? I also stated that I didn't think PMS was
Bookies problem in this instance. Rather it was more to do with
personal values. If you wish to contact me personally, I would be only
too happy to explain it to you. I have no intention of dragging the
group down any further!!
I very much hope that this explains some of the questions left
hanging, & would much prefer that we get away from this subject
ASAP......

No, Bookie's problem is that she's a bigot, that's all. PMS may or may
not be a factor in particular irruptions of it.

Please read my words carefully, because they were not said to offend
anyone..Far from it..I was trying to point out that I don't judge
everyone by the worst person I know from the same country, as someone
who might have offended me. It is ludicrous to think I would, & is not
the case at all.....& I would hope & like to think the same would
apply were the roles reversed

Um. Sheelagh. You don't. Bookie does.

Lis- Hide quoted text -

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I am not a bigot, how can I be when I am not american?

On 5 Jun, 19:34, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:47:05 -0700, bookie
wrote:



do you know anything about the falklands war? or the people who live
there? no , thought not, typical yank ignorance again

Oh Christ! I remember the Falklands War. It prompted Maggie Thatcher
to say "Great Britain is Great Again." That line was good for some
laughs here in the U.S., where we have a _real_ navy to talk about.

Charlie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there? find
out then get back to us when you actually know what you are talking
about.

clue: it is called 'defending your people'

On Jun 5, 10:12 pm, bookie wrote:
On 5 Jun, 20:30, Lis wrote:





On Jun 5, 6:40 am, sheelagh wrote:

On 5 Jun, 00:15, "Matthew" wrote:

"bookie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On 4 Jun, 17:46, "Matthew" wrote:
"sheelagh" wrote in message

On 3 Jun, 19:06, sheelagh wrote:
On Jun 3, 6:35 pm, "Fred G. Mackey" wrote:
dear oh dear oh dear- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fred...!
Don't ruin my pixel picture of you....

1.If I had said it, does that make Bookie as bad as me?
2.Do you think we all hold the same views?
3.Does that mean if Bookie said so, It is so?
4.we all laugh about each other..Fact!
5.I would like to think that not all Americans are like one of
"our"
more tasteless posters from the USA....?
6.Does that mean if A USA troll posts something rude about me,
that
is
ok, because I am not a USA citizen?

7.We could all learn something from this...

How can you call Bookie for what she has to say when you are
doing
exactly the same thing? Personally, I don't care if you think we
are
all like that, because I know better. I don't "hate you" because
you
come from somewhere different than I do - & nor do I tar you
with
the
same brush as someone who has made very disparaging remarks
about
me,
or the country I live in, simply because that someone comes from
the
USA either......

My point here is that we are all different & most of us have
differing
views on things, but that is not a good reason to class everyone
as
the same as the person who might have offended you.

Mary just has a better way of saying it than I do)
S;o)- Hide quoted text -
Take a Midol or something would you and get over it. It is getting
boring
already- Hide quoted text -

No it is a pill to get over your PMS that you seem to be having for
the
last
week

-

I have a feeling that it is nothing to do with PMs.
It's more to do with berating everyone who acts that way, rather than
just the British ones Matthew, my friend...

Do you think I might be right?
S.

Might be but no reason to take it out on all of us and group us in a hate
mongrel group

But since it has been going on for less than a week I am leaning towards
the
needing of Midol- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i don't get PMS, just irked by cretinous yanks who can't admit to the
flaws in their own country

You are acting like it

Yes every country is screwed up specially this one but ain't that the pot
calling the kettle black for the rest of it

You are old enough to know better to know that sex, politics and religion
should never even be discussed among friends unless you want to make enemies
with every word that is typed or spoken

Now get over it and move on for your country is just f@cked up as the one I
live in as everyone else's is.

Lets every one end this BS and get over it for the trolls are circling and
enjoying the spectacle- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yes every country is screwed up specially this one but ain't that the pot
calling the kettle black for the rest of it

You are old enough to know better to know that sex, politics and religion
should never even be discussed among friends unless you want to make enemies
with every word that is typed or spoken

Now get over it and move on for your country is just f@cked up as the one I
live in as everyone Else's is.

Lets every one end this BS and get over it for the trolls are circling and
enjoying the spectacle-

Matthew, I can't remember saying anything offensive to anyone
here...yet which ever post I go to, I find what I have said typed
there. I have sniped the quotes to show you exactly what I said, &
who to as well......

Sheelagh, the irritation that Matthew, I, and others have been
expressing has been pretty explicitly directed at Bookie and her
periodic, unprompted anti-American rants. Not at you.

( the only bit I didn't snip was the conversation between yourself &
Bookie, because that was relevant to this post, because you both
contributed to it in this particular post).......

The words Pot calling the kettle black is one of my most often stated
comments, because quite often I don't feel that I do have the right to
call anyone else names, because I am guilty of it myself...Yet, as I
read through most peoples posts, I am finding myself quoted in almost
every post about this issue. I don't recall bringing politics,
religion, or sex into this issue. The only recollection I have, was a
comment I made about our own leader, Tony Blair in the UK..(who I
didn't vote for & dislike him for who he is & his values... nothing
else!!).....

I have read & re read everything I typed again & again, but I still
can't find anything that I consider derogatory in my post, to warrant
quoting me as doing any of the activities to which I seem to be
accused of.

I have already apologized to MaryL, for not clarifying what I meant
when I said that I was shocked that there was no help for any pets in
need of emergency care, & explained exactly what I meant through my
own research.( I will go back and number the posts that I mean after
this post, so that you can check for yourself mate)....

The only thing that I can think of is that I am in hot water for
trying to diffuse the bad feeling between Fred & Bookie..I have
inspected it again & all I can see are a few questions that were aimed
at trying to say, we all have differing opinions, & that you can't
blame someone else for what someone else thinks & feels....(ie: if
that is how Bookie feels, then it is- there is nothing I can do to
change her mind..) We all have our own values, & I believe that we
have differing opinions on certain subjects. If I have a problem then
it is "my" problem to sort out with the person concerned..Not Bookie's
if you see what I mean? I also stated that I didn't think PMS was
Bookies problem in this instance. Rather it was more to do with
personal values. If you wish to contact me personally, I would be only
too happy to explain it to you. I have no intention of dragging the
group down any further!!
I very much hope that this explains some of the questions left
hanging, & would much prefer that we get away from this subject
ASAP......

No, Bookie's problem is that she's a bigot, that's all. PMS may or may
not be a factor in particular irruptions of it.

Please read my words carefully, because they were not said to offend
anyone..Far from it..I was trying to point out that I don't judge
everyone by the worst person I know from the same country, as someone
who might have offended me. It is ludicrous to think I would, & is not
the case at all.....& I would hope & like to think the same would
apply were the roles reversed

Um. Sheelagh. You don't. Bookie does.

Lis- Hide quoted text -

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I am not a bigot, how can I be when I am not american?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thus beautifully demonstrating my point; thank you.

Lis

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:14:49 -0700, bookie
wrote:

On 5 Jun, 19:34, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:47:05 -0700, bookie
wrote:



do you know anything about the falklands war? or the people who live
there? no , thought not, typical yank ignorance again

Oh Christ! I remember the Falklands War. It prompted Maggie Thatcher
to say "Great Britain is Great Again." That line was good for some
laughs here in the U.S., where we have a _real_ navy to talk about.

Charlie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there? find
out then get back to us when you actually know what you are talking
about.

clue: it is called 'defending your people'

This is too easy in the age of Google, dear. It's impossible to catch
anyone with their pants down.

But I pretty much know the story anyway, because I am a history buff.
Back in the 19th Century, a U.S. gunboat demolished an Argentine
colony on the islands because of a commercial dispute. This paved the
way for the British to establish a colony which served as a relief
station for whalers and naval vessels rounding the horn. It was naked
anglo imperialism, but on such a small scale no one cared... except
the Argentines, who bided their time until 1982.

Interesting that the top officers who led the 1982 expeditionary
force were all from your region... along with Francis Drake, John
Hawkins, Captain Bligh of the Bounty, and lots of other swashbuckling
characters who have sailed through the pages of British nautical
history. There must be something in the west country water that makes
people ****y and ornery.

Charlie

On 6 Jun, 05:50, Nomen Nescio wrote:
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From: bookie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there?

I heard it was because sheep are a better f**k than British women.

Must have been a "morale" thing.

JOIN THE BRITISH ARMY
INVADE UNPOPULATED ISLANDS
F**K THE SHEEP OF YOUR DREAMS
SIGN UP TODAY

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No, you heard wrong..we blame the welsh for that practise....
LOL
S;o)

On 5 Jun, 19:15, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:15 -0500, "MaryL"





-OUT-THE-LITTER wrote:

"sheelagh" wrote in message
oups.com...

snip

Please read my words carefully, because they were not said to offend
anyone..Far from it..I was trying to point out that I don't judge
everyone by the worst person I know from the same country, as someone
who might have offended me. It is ludicrous to think I would, & is not
the case at all.....& I would hope & like to think the same would
apply were the roles reversed
S.

One of the problems with a thread like this one is that it has become so
entangled that it is often difficult to know who actually what wrote which
words.

Bah! I have completely run out of sympathy for Sheelagh on this
issue. She seems to run into this problem almost on a daily basis.
Above, she is responding to comments directed not toward her, but
toward her fellow babbling Brit, Ms. Bookie.

The solution is to GET A DECENT NEWSREADER. I am trying out the
newest version of Forte Agent, which will cost US$29 if I decide to
keep it past the trial period. Another option is Gravity, which
doesn't cut the mustard for binary groups but is good enough for
general use in discussion groups, and is free to download and use
forever. Either would be a huge improvement compared with Google's
web interface.

Charlie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wasn't looking for sympathy Charlie- merely pointing out that I
didn't understand why my posts were associated with this problem,
given that I had said nothing to warrant this.

OTOH, thanks for the news regarding Gravity. I will try that. To be
utterly honest, the only reason that I haven't got one so far is
because I don't have a credit card @ all. I don't use them, I have to
deal in cash only.. I did try using outlook express in the days when
Barry was helpful and accommodating. He took me through it step by
step, only to find out in the end that I couldn't even use that,
because if you have hotmail, you have to pay a fee to use outlook
express as my news reader.(back to square one again!!)

If I want to order off the Internet, I have to get someone to order/
pay on my behalf & I give them the cash required to do this for me.

I didn't particularly want to tell the world about this, but after
this, I don't think it really matters to me anymore. It's not the
amount of money that it costs really, it is the embarrassment of
having to ask! I hope this explains why I haven't done so, so far?
However, should I get to a point where I can get gravity on this heap
of Cr@p Pc, would you still be willing to take me through downloading
Gravity & using it too please?

S;o)

On 6 Jun, 15:07, sheelagh wrote:
On 6 Jun, 05:50, Nomen Nescio wrote:





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From: bookie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there?

I heard it was because sheep are a better f**k than British women.

Must have been a "morale" thing.

JOIN THE BRITISH ARMY
INVADE UNPOPULATED ISLANDS
F**K THE SHEEP OF YOUR DREAMS
SIGN UP TODAY

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No, you heard wrong..we blame the welsh for that practise....
LOL
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Sh@t, forgot forgot to say this before pressing send...(your right
MaryL!!)

Not intended to piddle the Welsh off..... just a way of showing you
that I can laugh about what people think about Brits)

We can laugh about this ourselves. You are not the first to come out
with that one Nomen...I don't see the point in arguing with you about
it @ all?!!!

Nevertheless, I really have had enough of this thread, mostly because
I haven't argued from the first. All I wanted to know was why I was
being quoted when I wasn't part of the thread @ that point..
I'm done.. I have better things to talk about,
Later,
S;o)

On 6 Jun, 06:20, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:14:49 -0700, bookie
wrote:





On 5 Jun, 19:34, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:47:05 -0700, bookie
wrote:

do you know anything about the falklands war? or the people who live
there? no , thought not, typical yank ignorance again

Oh Christ! I remember the Falklands War. It prompted Maggie Thatcher
to say "Great Britain is Great Again." That line was good for some
laughs here in the U.S., where we have a _real_ navy to talk about.

Charlie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there? find
out then get back to us when you actually know what you are talking
about.

clue: it is called 'defending your people'

This is too easy in the age of Google, dear. It's impossible to catch
anyone with their pants down.

But I pretty much know the story anyway, because I am a history buff.
Back in the 19th Century, a U.S. gunboat demolished an Argentine
colony on the islands because of a commercial dispute. This paved the
way for the British to establish a colony which served as a relief
station for whalers and naval vessels rounding the horn. It was naked
anglo imperialism, but on such a small scale no one cared... except
the Argentines, who bided their time until 1982.

Interesting that the top officers who led the 1982 expeditionary
force were all from your region... along with Francis Drake, John
Hawkins, Captain Bligh of the Bounty, and lots of other swashbuckling
characters who have sailed through the pages of British nautical
history. There must be something in the west country water that makes
people ****y and ornery.

Charlie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not from the west country and neither is sheelagh, couldn't be
further from the truth (check out where cambridgeshire is on googke
maps or something)and since despite the clues given i will have to
tell you that the armed forces were sent down there not to reclaim the
islands but to protect the islanders who were british citizens and so
obviously eligible and requiring some protection. They were the ones
living there at the time, it was their home, they did not want be
taken over by the argentine forces, so something was done about it.
you can go on about maggie thatcher (milk snatcher) sending forces
down there to enhance her appeal inthe opinion polls etc and I am sure
you are correct about that (same as bush has tried to do with the Iraq
situation, but failed badly, cos everyone thinks he is a tit whatever
he does), but the simple fact of the matter is that there were british
citizens down there who needed the protection of the armed forces,
simple.

btw there are still many unexploded landmines is parts of the
falklands, so hasn't actually all been sorted out, but if course you
already know all that don't you? you have probably met simon weston
and other vets of the conflict.

anyway what the f*ck has this got to do with cats? apart from that
there may be some cats on the island

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:15:48 -0700, bookie
wrote:

On 6 Jun, 06:20, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:14:49 -0700, bookie
wrote:





On 5 Jun, 19:34, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:47:05 -0700, bookie
wrote:

do you know anything about the falklands war? or the people who live
there? no , thought not, typical yank ignorance again

Oh Christ! I remember the Falklands War. It prompted Maggie Thatcher
to say "Great Britain is Great Again." That line was good for some
laughs here in the U.S., where we have a _real_ navy to talk about.

Charlie

ok so who lives inthe falklands apart from lots of sheep? what was the
point of going there? why did the armed forces have to go there? find
out then get back to us when you actually know what you are talking
about.

clue: it is called 'defending your people'

This is too easy in the age of Google, dear. It's impossible to catch
anyone with their pants down.

But I pretty much know the story anyway, because I am a history buff.
Back in the 19th Century, a U.S. gunboat demolished an Argentine
colony on the islands because of a commercial dispute. This paved the
way for the British to establish a colony which served as a relief
station for whalers and naval vessels rounding the horn. It was naked
anglo imperialism, but on such a small scale no one cared... except
the Argentines, who bided their time until 1982.

Interesting that the top officers who led the 1982 expeditionary
force were all from your region... along with Francis Drake, John
Hawkins, Captain Bligh of the Bounty, and lots of other swashbuckling
characters who have sailed through the pages of British nautical
history. There must be something in the west country water that makes
people ****y and ornery.

Charlie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not from the west country and neither is sheelagh, couldn't be
further from the truth (check out where cambridgeshire is on googke

??? I thought you told me at one point that you were living in Devon.
I must be confusing you with someone else.

maps or something)and since despite the clues given i will have to
tell you that the armed forces were sent down there not to reclaim the
islands but to protect the islanders who were british citizens and so

Well, you can't do one without the other, can you? It's not as though
the Argentines intended to slaughter the people living in the
Falklands. They could have left for England or stayed under the
protection of Argentine forces.

obviously eligible and requiring some protection. They were the ones
living there at the time, it was their home, they did not want be
taken over by the argentine forces, so something was done about it.
you can go on about maggie thatcher (milk snatcher) sending forces
down there to enhance her appeal inthe opinion polls etc and I am sure
you are correct about that (same as bush has tried to do with the Iraq
situation, but failed badly, cos everyone thinks he is a tit whatever
he does), but the simple fact of the matter is that there were british
citizens down there who needed the protection of the armed forces,
simple.

btw there are still many unexploded landmines is parts of the
falklands, so hasn't actually all been sorted out, but if course you
already know all that don't you? you have probably met simon weston
and other vets of the conflict.

anyway what the f*ck has this got to do with cats? apart from that
there may be some cats on the island

Don't be disingenuous. You are the one who led this discussion with a
broadside of bilious invective aimed at the U.S. I merely followed
the thread until your running commentary became so outrageous that I
was compelled to step in and clarify the record.

Charlie

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:19:51 -0700, sheelagh
wrote:

I wasn't looking for sympathy Charlie- merely pointing out that I
didn't understand why my posts were associated with this problem,
given that I had said nothing to warrant this.

OTOH, thanks for the news regarding Gravity. I will try that. To be
utterly honest, the only reason that I haven't got one so far is
because I don't have a credit card @ all. I don't use them, I have to
deal in cash only.. I did try using outlook express in the days when
Barry was helpful and accommodating. He took me through it step by
step, only to find out in the end that I couldn't even use that,
because if you have hotmail, you have to pay a fee to use outlook
express as my news reader.(back to square one again!!)

??? Are you sure about that? In any case, Outlook Express is not a
great choice.


If I want to order off the Internet, I have to get someone to order/
pay on my behalf & I give them the cash required to do this for me.

Set up a paypal acct. It's easy. But, you needn't pay for a
newsreader. Unless you are downloading lots of binaries, Gravity is
good enough.

I didn't particularly want to tell the world about this, but after
this, I don't think it really matters to me anymore. It's not the
amount of money that it costs really, it is the embarrassment of
having to ask! I hope this explains why I haven't done so, so far?
However, should I get to a point where I can get gravity on this heap
of Cr@p Pc, would you still be willing to take me through downloading
Gravity & using it too please?

Yes, I will be glad to help. To start, go to:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...group_id=95245

and download grav-2067-setup.zip. You will have to unzip it using
Winzip or similar, and then I believe you will have a self-extracting
..exe that will lead you through the whole process.

Charlie