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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
"-L." wrote in message ups.com... Cheryl wrote: I understand. Now, I definitely do. None of the tests that Shamrock went through have really helped him. The allergy shots didn't, and I can't eliminate his allergens from the environment. He's even allergic to cat dander, so he's allergic to himself. At least the tests told us that. The tests also told us that the thing every vet said was his problem, wasn't. He tested negative to flea bites. I'm going to check out some of your cites, and if I can be a "partner" in this fight, we'll do all we can. -- Cheryl My feeling has always been that the granuloma complexes are auto-immune related diseases. As such, they're very complex and not easily solved. Yes, after four years of successful treatment, Gracie now has the itchy kind (I guess that is what people are calling "licky") and it comes back a single month after the Depo shot. There is no way I am giving her shots more than four times a year, so I am not sure what to do. But she has little red marks and some small scabs in front of her ears, and her ears look "patchy," kind of moth-eaten. I have not changed her food, or any of my household cleaners, nothing. I might try bottled water and see if that helps. |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
cybercat wrote: Yes, after four years of successful treatment, Gracie now has the itchy kind (I guess that is what people are calling "licky") and it comes back a single month after the Depo shot. There is no way I am giving her shots more than four times a year, so I am not sure what to do. But she has little red marks and some small scabs in front of her ears, and her ears look "patchy," kind of moth-eaten. I have not changed her food, or any of my household cleaners, nothing. I might try bottled water and see if that helps. I think Depo gets a bad rep more than it should. Quality of life *is* an issue, afterall. True "lick graulomas" usually develop *after* licking - dogs get them after licking themselves when nervous, for example. I'm not sure why in this case the vet called the lesions "licky" except that the cat was licking them. "Systemic eosinophlic granuloma" is a better description, IMO. -L. |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
"-L." wrote in message ps.com... cybercat wrote: Yes, after four years of successful treatment, Gracie now has the itchy kind (I guess that is what people are calling "licky") and it comes back a single month after the Depo shot. I think Depo gets a bad rep more than it should. Quality of life *is* an issue, afterall. True "lick graulomas" usually develop *after* licking - dogs get them after licking themselves when nervous, for example. Well this makes sense because when she is upset she does overgroom. I posted in the past about how she would groom herself bald--not pulling the fur out but licking--when she was upset. I know that is what is was because as soon as I figured out what was bothering her and corrected it she stopped. But this time it is her ears and it seems much worse. But WAIT a minute ... she sure can't lick there. Could it be something else? The vet saw it but said nothing last time I took her in. Her ears look motheaten, like there are little see-through spots, and then there are raw spots from her scratching the balding areas in front of her ears. Have you seen this before? |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
cybercat wrote: Well this makes sense because when she is upset she does overgroom. I posted in the past about how she would groom herself bald--not pulling the fur out but licking--when she was upset. I know that is what is was because as soon as I figured out what was bothering her and corrected it she stopped. But this time it is her ears and it seems much worse. But WAIT a minute ... she sure can't lick there. Could it be something else? Could be systemic ECG and she's just getting lesions on her ears. No un-heard-of, but nit common, I'd say. The vet saw it but said nothing last time I took her in. Her ears look motheaten, like there are little see-through spots, and then there are raw spots from her scratching the balding areas in front of her ears. Have you seen this before? Hum...that almost sounds like ringworm. I would take her in again for a consult. Have them sample the lesion and check for ringworm just in case - the test should be under $25. -L. |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
"-L." wrote in message oups.com... Hum...that almost sounds like ringworm. I would take her in again for a consult. Have them sample the lesion and check for ringworm just in case - the test should be under $25. I thought about that, but she's never out in the dirt and I keep both the boxes and the house clean enough. I just googled it, and I see it is related to Athlete's foot fungus--nobody in the house has ever had that or signs of ringworm. (And if she has it I should too, I am always in her face and she sleeps snuggled with me.) It sure can't hurt to have it checked out. Thanks. I will take her in this week. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
C.J. wrote: "-L." wrote in message oups.com... Hum...that almost sounds like ringworm. I would take her in again for a consult. Have them sample the lesion and check for ringworm just in case - the test should be under $25. I thought about that, but she's never out in the dirt and I keep both the boxes and the house clean enough. I just googled it, and I see it is related to Athlete's foot fungus--nobody in the house has ever had that or signs of ringworm. (And if she has it I should too, I am always in her face and she sleeps snuggled with me.) It sure can't hurt to have it checked out. Thanks. I will take her in this week. They can get ringworm from the air or tracked in from your shoes - the spores are everywhere. Peewee gets it ocassionally because he's just suceptible. Nobody else ever gets it (except Mimi and I did once, when Pee was a tiny kitten.) -L. |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
"-L." wrote They can get ringworm from the air or tracked in from your shoes - the spores are everywhere. Peewee gets it ocassionally because he's just suceptible. Nobody else ever gets it (except Mimi and I did once, when Pee was a tiny kitten.) I had no idea. I looked at her more closely tonight, and I just don't know, I've never seen ringworm and hers does not look like the pictures I found on the web. One thing is for su I would rather it be ringworm and easily curable than a new manifestation of EGC. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
On Mon 21 Aug 2006 02:08:35a, -L. wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav oups.com): Cheryl wrote: I understand. Now, I definitely do. None of the tests that Shamrock went through have really helped him. The allergy shots didn't, and I can't eliminate his allergens from the environment. He's even allergic to cat dander, so he's allergic to himself. At least the tests told us that. The tests also told us that the thing every vet said was his problem, wasn't. He tested negative to flea bites. I'm going to check out some of your cites, and if I can be a "partner" in this fight, we'll do all we can. -- Cheryl My feeling has always been that the granuloma complexes are auto-immune related diseases. As such, they're very complex and not easily solved. -L. I agree. That's why he isn't getting vaccinations right now. The dermatologist suggested getting his vaccinations up to date before starting Atopica, but I didn't have them done based on all of my reading. His regular vet is ok with that. I know she is worried about the rabies vaccine since it is a law that it be done, but she knows he's an indoor cat, so at lesser (NOT no risk) risk of being infected. I wish there were an easier answer to vaccinations. He's no longer on the Atopica since it made him so nauseous. Atopica ****s with the immune system, too. Lowers it. Just like steroids do, but I don't know if it lowers it more than steroids. Probably. They use it for transplant patients. -- Cheryl |
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Licky Granuloma - change to Hill's z/d, d/d or IVD Limited?
Am 21.08.2006 schrieb Cheryl:
I will also remember about your vets strategy for fighting the bacterial infection that results sometimes, because our vet gives him a broad-spectrum antibiotic, clavamox, and he just can't handle it. It makes him really sick. in the case, that he gets really sick from the antibotic, it is useless and you should immediately stop to apply it. Getting diarrhoe or throwing up from an antibiotic leeds to no effect, because both 'wash' the agents out of the body :-( Both you and Femcat have been very helpful to me, even if it was her looking for help. ) I don't post much, but this time I had something to say:-) It was my pleasure to share my knowledge with you:-) Purrs to you Inge and the catgang -- CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge |
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