no more dry cat food?

I think feeding a raw diet would be much harder. *You must have
taurine and some other vitamins/minerals for your cat and I think I'll
just try to get both my cats eating more wet. *The vet said to try to
mix the dry into the wet for 7 days.

There are a few pre-made raw diets out there you can buy. Nature's
Variety has one that is excellent. Their canned foods are also top-
notch and grain-free.

From the websites I've been reading today, it says:

Dry food actually breaks up into crumbs and gets stuck in your cat's
teeth. *That causes dental problems. *

This is exactly right. Here is an excellent article on the subject:
http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.ph... cleantheteeth

Ripping a piece of raw meat like
chicken or beef, actually cleans your cat's teeth. *It also says cats
love the crunch of dry food but dry food diets lead to diabetes and
kidney problems. *It makes our longer living pet cats fat and the vets
are seeing a remarkable increase in diabetes in cats.

That's right. I work at a vet clinic and my boss refuses to sell dry
food for cats. Not only does it cause diabetes and kidney problems,
but it is also is the main factor in urinary tract issues in cats. We
see a lot of dry-food fed cats come in with urinary problems. He does
not use prescription diets for these cases. He just puts them on a
canned, grain-free diet (Wellness or Innova Evo 95%) with a bit of
extra water added and,most cases resolve fairly quickly. NO cat with
urinary tract issues should be on a dry diet!

"yepp" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 2:45 pm, "Joy" wrote:
"yepp" wrote in message

...

Took Bonnie in for her follow-up vet visit today and the vet tells me
I should get my cats off dry food entirely and switch to canned or a
raw food diet. Turns out the vets have been wrong for the last 30
years or more and now recommend a canned only diet. What? When did
this movement start?

As far as I can see, there are two schools of thought. One group of vets
say dry food is better for their teeth. The other group says wet food is
better. I think the best thing to do is to go by the individual cat. Yours
obviously is having digestive problems, so a change of food could be a
good
idea. I had one cat that I truly believe would have starved if I had given
her only wet food.

Joy

The vet was referring to all cats being better off eating a wet food
diet. I know Bonnie will eat just about anything right now. She is
easy. Bobby is the fussy one. He is really finicky.

I looked up some websites about this subject. catnutrition.org is one
and also on ehow and about.com there are lots of articles about
feeding at wet diet.

I think feeding a raw diet would be much harder. You must have
taurine and some other vitamins/minerals for your cat and I think I'll
just try to get both my cats eating more wet. The vet said to try to
mix the dry into the wet for 7 days.

From the websites I've been reading today, it says:

Dry food actually breaks up into crumbs and gets stuck in your cat's
teeth. That causes dental problems. Ripping a piece of raw meat like
chicken or beef, actually cleans your cat's teeth. It also says cats
love the crunch of dry food but dry food diets lead to diabetes and
kidney problems. It makes our longer living pet cats fat and the vets
are seeing a remarkable increase in diabetes in cats.

***

As I said, there are two schools of thought on that. My vet feels that dry
food is much better for their teeth, but that a little wet food as a treat
is okay. Incidentally, Skeeter (rb), the only cat I've had who absolutely
refused to eat anything except dry food, was slim all her life.

Joy

wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "Granby" wrote:
I asked my vet about this and he didn't have a clue where this info came
from. He likes a combination of wet/dry

Unfortunately, your vet is like many others that have been brainwashed
by the pet food companies over the years and for whatever reason have
not bothered to investigate newer research on feline nutrition.

***

I think this is rather harsh. Considering the fact that canned food is
quite a bit more expensive than dry food, it is equally possible that your
boss and many others have been brainwahsed by the pet food companies so they
can sell more of the expensive wet food.

Joy

On Apr 8, 2:36*pm, "Joy" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "Granby" wrote:

I asked my vet about this and he didn't have a clue where this info came
from. He likes a combination of wet/dry

Unfortunately, your vet is like many others that have been brainwashed
by the pet food companies over the years and for whatever reason have
not bothered to investigate newer research on feline nutrition.

***

I think this is rather harsh. *Considering the fact that canned food is
quite a bit more expensive than dry food, it is equally possible that your
boss and many others have been brainwahsed by the pet food companies so they
can sell more of the expensive wet food.

Joy

No, it's not harsh. It's the truth. I can assure you that the vet I
work for has the cat's best interests at heart and does not let
potential profit affect his decisions on how he treats his patients.
It is ALL about the health and welfare of the cats and he has been
known to bend over backwards to help felines who have been failed by
other vets. My boss despises pet food reps ( he often gripes about how
they should not be allowed in vet schools) and just ran the Iams rep
out of the office the other day :-) He doesn't sell that much food (he
only carries a small inventory due to space) and more often than not
sends his clients to local, smaller stores that carry a good variety
of the high-quality canned and raw diets.

"yepp"
On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "CatNipped" :
"yepp" wrote in message
....

Took Bonnie in for her follow-up vet visit today and the vet tells me
I should get my cats off dry food entirely and switch to canned or a
raw food diet. Turns out the vets have been wrong for the last 30
years or more and now recommend a canned only diet. What? When did
this movement start?

If you're interested in why the "movement" started, here's some good facts
for you: http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm.

Before now, vets were not very well educated in feline nutrition (there
wasn't a course for it in vet school), so they got everything they knew
from
pet food salesmen.

Hugs,

CatNipped

Yeah, she said to think of it like an Atkins diet. Low or no carbs
and high in protein. That is the best. Bonnie throws up a lot and
that is what got the discussion going on food.


Mosey has a fussy tummy too. Certain canned foods like turkey make him
throw up, but he'll eat only chicken and shredded beef. The other 3 cats
love their dry food, we get them 2 kinds of Friskies. The Indoor food and
Feline Favorites.
HTH
Hug
Kyla

"Joy" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "Granby" wrote:
I asked my vet about this and he didn't have a clue where this info came
from. He likes a combination of wet/dry

Unfortunately, your vet is like many others that have been brainwashed
by the pet food companies over the years and for whatever reason have
not bothered to investigate newer research on feline nutrition.

***

I think this is rather harsh. Considering the fact that canned food is
quite a bit more expensive than dry food, it is equally possible that your
boss and many others have been brainwahsed by the pet food companies so
they can sell more of the expensive wet food.

Joy

No, Joy, it's not harsh it's just how cats have evolved. If you'll look at
the bottom of this page, http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm,
you'll see a list of contributors to the article (many and learned). This
article explains the mechanics of a cat's bite and why a cat's body needs
the fluid and nutrients in wet food.

I truly feel it's better to feed a less expensive canned food than an
expensive dry food.

Hugs,

CatNipped

Joy wrote:

As far as I can see, there are two schools of thought. One group of vets
say dry food is better for their teeth. The other group says wet food is
better.

They are probably both correct. The truth is, both canned and dry food
are unnatural to a cat. Wild cats who hunt get raw meat and bones to
chomp on, which give them all the water and protein, plus tooth-cleaning
crunchiness, they need.

I'm still not willing to do the raw-foods thing, but hats off to those
who do. I do the best I can with Wellness brand premium canned food. Roxy
and Smudge occasionally get a bit of high-quality dry food to snack on,
when Licky is in a separate room. No more dry for him!

--
Joyce

To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^

"Lesley" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 11:52 am, yepp wrote:
.. Ripping a piece of raw meat like
chicken or beef, actually cleans your cat's teeth.

I throw the Fabulous Furballs the occasional bit of steak, which they
love. Another thing I do is when we're having a roast lamb or beef
(NEVER chicken or any other poultry) on the bone (shoulder of lamb in
particular is good for this) I leave a fair bit of meat on the bone
and when it's cooled I let the Fabulous Furballs at it. They like
tearing the meat off- I keep an eye on them while they do it- well it
is fun to watch them getting stuck in - they suddenly act like a pair
of lions on the Serengeti and remove the bone (and take it out of the
house or they'll rip the bin open) as soon as they've cleaned the bone
and had a good gnaw on it and the vet says they have no dental
problems

Lesley

When we went to pick up our Sam many years ago in Anchorage, the cats and
kittens were out in the family's garage. All lined up in a row happily
gnawing on the fresh legbone of a caribou. No wonder Sam thought he was a
wild man all his life, no matter what his Blue Point Siamese pedigree said.
There were reasons we registered him and Firey's Dammit Sam.

Jo

"Joy" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "Granby" wrote:
I asked my vet about this and he didn't have a clue where this info came
from. He likes a combination of wet/dry

Unfortunately, your vet is like many others that have been brainwashed
by the pet food companies over the years and for whatever reason have
not bothered to investigate newer research on feline nutrition.

***

I think this is rather harsh. Considering the fact that canned food is
quite a bit more expensive than dry food, it is equally possible that your
boss and many others have been brainwahsed by the pet food companies so
they can sell more of the expensive wet food.


What would cats eat "in the wild?" Birds, mice, rats, that sort of thing,
and they are "wet."
I would say more like people are brainwashed by the pet food companies into
giving their cats "dry" TBH.
We have all read how bad dry is for boys. It can cause blocked urethers.
Dry has it's place but it can be an easy option. "Everything your cat needs
IS in this food"
Probably it is, which is not to say that they will live a long life on it.

Boyfriend was probably reared in his former life on dry. He is on wet with
a sprinkle of dry. He would eat exclusively dry if given the chance, he is
not given that choice.

KFC has never seen dry in her life. She eats wet, having caught her own
food all her life she only wants what Boyfie catches for her now or what wet
I give her
Maybe that is why she's 22.

Tweed

On Apr 8, 3:36*pm, "Matthew" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 2:36 pm, "Joy" wrote:





wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 12:28 pm, "Granby" wrote:

I asked my vet about this and he didn't have a clue where this info came
from. He likes a combination of wet/dry

Unfortunately, your vet is like many others that have been brainwashed
by the pet food companies over the years and for whatever reason have
not bothered to investigate newer research on feline nutrition.

***

I think this is rather harsh. Considering the fact that canned food is
quite a bit more expensive than dry food, it is equally possible that your
boss and many others have been brainwahsed by the pet food companies so
they
can sell more of the expensive wet food.

Joy

No, it's not harsh. It's the truth. I can assure you that the vet I
work for has the cat's best interests at heart and does not let
potential profit affect his decisions on how he treats his patients.
It is ALL about the health and welfare of the cats and he has been
known to bend over backwards to help felines who have been failed by
other vets. My boss despises pet food reps ( he often gripes about how
they should not be allowed in vet schools) and just ran the Iams rep
out of the office the other day :-) He doesn't sell that much food (he
only carries a small inventory due to space) and more often than not
sends his clients to local, smaller stores that carry a good variety
of the high-quality canned and raw diets.

Actually IMO it is

*I can see you are very passionate about this so *I am not going to get a
debate going or get any feelings hurt . *But remember you are dealing with
hundreds of cat lovers here scattered across the globe. * Last time I looked
over 18 countries. There are people that have diabetics cats, blind cats,
epileptic cats, cats with hyperthyroidism, FiV positive cats, rescue people,
vet techs and many more list of health issues and type of cat slaves.
99.99% of us trust our vets here. *Yes there is always something to learn
but will I take the advice of a vet or no offense a newbie who I have no
idea who they are or their back ground *The answer is NOT A CHANCE.

First of all, I am hardly a "newbie." You need simply to check my
posting history to see I've been around various newsgroups since at
least 2005. I have also posted here before, but I mostly just lurk.
Second, regardless of where someone lives or what conditions their
cats might have, it does not in any way shape or form change anything
about the physiology of a feline and what they truly require. Can you
honestly say a bowl of dry crumbs is an appropriate diet for ANY
living creature??? Have you seen the movie Soylent Green? If we are
unable to feed a CARNIVORE what it would eat naturally (birds and
mice, etc) then doesn't common sense dictate we should try to feed it
something as close to that as possible? This means a MEAT, moisture
rich diet, whether it is canned or raw. Grain filled kibble does not
fall into this equation and is an extremely poor, potentially harmful
substitute.


I have learned something over the years *for everything that says it is good
there just as much that says it is bad. *I have had cats for many ,many
decades. *Quite a few never would eat wet food and they lived long happy
healthy lives.

This is not a cogent argument. There are also plenty of people that
smoke two packs and drink a six pack every day of their lives and live
to be 90. It doesn't mean their health is great. They may have lived
to be 100 without the booze and cigs. I don't know about you, but I
feel that I have an obligation to do what is best and feed what is
most species appropriate for my cats.

Dry food and wet food so does a raw diet *lead to Diabetes
when it is not properly monitored free feeding, treats and stupid humans are
the main problems.

This is not correct. A correlation between a dry food diet and
diabetes has been shown but NO such correlation has been shown for
canned or raw food and diabetes. If you have a cite that says
otherwise please share it but I am pretty sure one does not exist.

Raw diets are more complicated if you don't know what you are doing. *If not
enough protein and taurine than you are in trouble

There are plenty of websites that have nutritionally complete recipes
for raw diets. http://www.catnutrition.org is one. There are also
commercially prepared raw diets that are very good and which I use
myself.


I currently have a diabetic cat, and epileptic cat and a cat with
hyperthyroidism. *Their diet is a mix of dry and wet. *Rumble diabetes is
under control insulin free for a few years now. *Phantoms is in great health
even with Hyperthyroidism he still has his appetite. *Ka'shay, Dumplin' and
Limo refuse to eat wet food and have no interest in human food or the raw
diet. *Their diet is regulate by my vet all my cats are in great health
according to their work ups. *I use Iams, fancy feast, Purina and all the
others your vet doesn't like. *I recently lost my Spirit due to
complications when he got poisoned by wet food last year during the pet food
recall. *So who Do I believe? *No offense I think I will trust my vet

And you should know that there have also been recalls on dry food
which have everything to do with the grains in them and mycotoxins.
What you should also realize is that none of the grain free canned
foods (Wellness, Innova Evo, Nature's Variety) were at risk and none
were recalled. I'm surprised you would have any of your cats on dry
food considering that you were able to bring your diabetic cat into
remission by feeding him a low carb canned diet. If you are indeed
feeding him any sort of dry food be aware that you are putting him at
risk for coming out of remission. Don't think that because it hasn't
happened yet that it won't.


Some Vets are brainwashed is more the proper words

Many are. I have access to one of the most well known veterinary
groups called VIN. I will tell you that you would be shocked if you
read the message boards and found out just how ignorant most vets are
about feline nutrition, not to mention treating diabetes and kidney
failure. Fortunately, most of the consultants that help there are
board certified in many areas and stay ahead of the curve with regards
to feline nutrition. They are overwhelmingly recommending canned food
and the elimination of dry diets for cats. I posted two links in a
previous message. One is a feline nutrition website written and
maintained by a veterinarian. The other is a book written by the
veterinarian who developed the canned diabetic prescription diet for
Purina and maintains the http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com website. You
really should check them out. I think you would learn a lot.