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  #111  
Old August 23rd 05, 07:48 PM
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This makes an interesting read about the differences .
http://www.messybeast.com/indooroutdoor.htm


This is really interesting and informative, thanks.

I think you'll find that more people in the UK are keeping cats
inside (as opposed to inside/outside)and perhaps less cats are kept
inside in North America than you would think from reading forums and
newsgroups.
I believe every situation is different and cats can be contented kept
inside. Kim has daytime outside access if she wants and spends most of
her time in the back garden in the summer and goes out very little in
the winter.
Alison


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Old August 25th 05, 12:44 PM
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The RSPCA do put some cats to sleep. 35% will include cats that
are ill or not able to be rehomed , also bear in mind that the number
of cats handed over as unwanted are lower than the States .
I don't think the Iver was referring to feral cats. Sarah's not
mentioned which animal rescue societies euthenize them .
AFAIK, feral cats that are trapped by pest control will be PTS by the
pet control itself .
At our RSPCA branch , feral cats will be neutered /spayed and
returned if requested (or rehomed )if someone will take responsibility
to feed them . If they can't rehome they're PTS , which happens as
its hard to rehome ferals.
Alison


The feral stance is one of the things that really bugs me about the RSPCA.
I'll never forget that episode of Animal Hospital where a kitten was
euthanised because it was feral and it would be 'unkind' to do otherwise -
apparently. I was *fuming* - especially as I had a feral rescue curled up on
the sofa next to me. Good job Marble ended up being taken to a small rescue
charity that struggles to find every penny rather than to the RSPCA, and
makes a darned good job of socialising ferals for homing and where they
can't be, finds suitable homes where they can still be feral (albeit now
neutered/speyed) :-/

The RSPCA is good at publicity, but I now never give funds to it, but will
give what I can to the small shelters who regularly take in RSPCA rejects.


I was also fuming. I've had several ferals ()some tamed late) and
tamed several feral kittens. The RSPCA is primarily interested in
publcity and glory. They will restore living skeleton dogs or horses
to health just so they can do a "before and after" (even though the
animals' internal organs must be shot to hell) but the ones I've
encountered don't give a damn about cats. I recall one rescue - the
woman first called the RSPCA about a cat on a roof and they would only
attend if she called the local paper to get a photographer! One of my
former colleagues had her elderly but healthy cat "accidentally" put
down by the RSPCA when they identified it as a starving stray. Another
had a cat destroyed by them because it was an "unhandleable feral" - it
was a timid cat that had been trapped in someone's house and was scared
out of its wits. Saying it was a mistake doesn't bring back someone's
beloved pet.

I will never give money to the RSPCA. I will never take a cat to them
- I'd rather take it to the vet myself. I've had cats that were RSPCA
rejects ("it's too old to get a home"). As far as I can make out they
are only interested in dogs, horses and publicity that shows them in a
positive light (and I've said as much when they send round begging
mailshots). A damning report about them got published some years ago
in either the Guardian or Observer newspaper. Their image and reality
seem to be poles apart.

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Old August 25th 05, 01:13 PM
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other organisations that do. The RSPCA is not goverment run.


Are there any government run animal welfare organizations in the UK?



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Old August 25th 05, 05:13 PM
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other organisations that do. The RSPCA is not goverment run.


Are there any government run animal welfare organizations in the

UK?

Not AFAIK , they don't even contribute any money to the RSPCA . The
RSPCA is a charity and has to support itself. There's DEFRA which is
a goverment division,
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/animindx.htm
and the local councils deal with stray dogs.
Is that the same in the US and the SPCA. I saw a programme about the
SPCA in New York and they were like cops, they had guns and could go
into people's property . I was impressed. G
Alison




  #115  
Old August 25th 05, 07:23 PM
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Why cats should be indoors...A perfect example was found today.
There had been a precious tiger cat (not more than 1 yr) roaming our
neighborhood. I gave him some food, but thinking he belonged to someone, I
dismissed taking him in. This morning I found him in our alley next to us,
hit by a car and smashed. I called the Animal Control so he could be "laid
to rest". My husband and I scooted him over away from getting repeatedly
smashed and covered him up with a old cloth.
I wish people who own pets would keep a better eye on them. This poor kitty
didnt deserve to have his life ended so soon and like it did.


  #116  
Old August 25th 05, 08:06 PM
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shortfuse wrote:
Why cats should be indoors...A perfect example was found today.


Right now in Halifax, there is a bylaw on the table that will forbid
cat owners from allowing their pets outside unsupervised/unleashed.

They have had THAT MANY complaints about cats trespassing on
neighbours' property and leaving feces about town.

--Fil

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Old August 25th 05, 09:04 PM
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"Enfilade" wrote in message
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shortfuse wrote:
Why cats should be indoors...A perfect example was found today.


Right now in Halifax, there is a bylaw on the table that will forbid
cat owners from allowing their pets outside unsupervised/unleashed.

They have had THAT MANY complaints about cats trespassing on
neighbours' property and leaving feces about town.

--Fil


The condo I live in has a bylaw that states that all pets must be leashed
or in carriers or held by humans while in the common areas. But I still see
cats and dogs roaming free in the hallway. Once a dog jumped on me when I
opened my door to go to work. Another time a dog came nosing on my door
and drew Rusty's attention. Not to mention the 3 cats that live on my floor
frequently roam the hallway. While the common areas are prefectly safe for
them, not all encounters with them are pleasant.

Winnie


  #118  
Old August 27th 05, 02:45 PM
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:13:27 +0100, "Alison"
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Alison" wrote in message
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other organisations that do. The RSPCA is not goverment run.


Are there any government run animal welfare organizations in the

UK?

Not AFAIK ,


The Veterinary Laboratories Agency is one:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/vla/

See also

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Nl1/Newsroo...870&chk=JiY6ig

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MatSav
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Old August 29th 05, 08:57 AM
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"MatSav" m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT c o
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The Veterinary Laboratories Agency is one:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/vla/



Which is not really an animal welfare organisation as such, in the same way
as RSPCA and the smaller charities the public donate to. Its brief is more
to do with disease in farm animals, along the lines of foot & mouth. They
certainly have no interface with joe public, but link up with industry. Put
it this way - you wouldn't approach the VLA for help with vet bills... for
that low-cost neutering. Donations to Defra are our taxes ;-)


See also

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Nl1/Newsroo...870&chk=JiY6ig


Launch of a new bit of draft legislation for public consultation. Not sure
if it made the statute books or not. We do already have animal cruelty
legislation. One thing to remember about over here is that farm animals &
pets are viewed differently.

Basically in cases of animal cruelty, the law is delegated (for want of a
better word) to the RSPCA to uphold - so it's the RSPCA which bring
prosecutions against people for animal cruelty. Saying that, the RSPCA is
incredibly good at publicity raising money for its shelters and for
highlighting cases of cruelty (which is a vital part of animal welfare
education), but it can be less enthusiastic about rescue itself...

See

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=ed ponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED28%20Aug%202005% 2018%3A11%3A07%3A010


Cheers, helen s



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MatSav


  #120  
Old August 30th 05, 07:54 PM
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The difference between an outdoor cat and an indoor cat is roughly
twice as long a life expectancty.

Carl in CT

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