anyone heard from Hopitus?

"Smokie Darling (Annie)" wrote in message
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On Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:59:52 PM UTC-6, Bastette wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:

Thanks for the ideas though. A friend suggested getting everyone in
town to dress up and do our own rain dance, but the "suits" said that
would be insulting to certain peoples (um, hello? I *am* one of
those
certain peoples, and I think it's a great idea).

The suit's comment also assumes that none of those certain peoples
would be participating, so "we" are going to insult "them." As though
"they" are not even part of the proceedings.

Exactly my point. It was actually humorous, if it hadn't been so stupid.
I mean, why not get the whole town together, we can chant, sing, praise
[whomever], and be a *community*. Oops, can't do that.

Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point
where
any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect!

Yes, but only by people who don't think about the issues very deeply. I
hate the melting pot idea - let's all become one big blob of non-culture!
Usually what that means (in the US) is that anyone who isn't anglo should
give up their own culture and assimilate into the dominant (anglo)
culture.
Often when people say, "Really, we're all the same," they usually mean
"Everyone is like me."

Oh heavens, I hope everyone isn't like me! That'd be pretty awful (lol).

It would definitely be boring if we were all alike. I love learning about
different cultures, and even different backgrounds within the same culture.

Joy


(Arizona's population was hispanic before the anglos took over, yet
our
schools are now forbidden to include hispanic culture in their
curriculum!)

I wouldn't consider that to be ""PC in any way, unless PC means
"suppress anything except white American culture." In which case,
the term has become completely meaningless.

"Judith Latham" wrote in message
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In article , Joy
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point
where any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become
suspect!

de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in
public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society
so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very
existence is now threatened.

How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without
everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves?
The tactic which has brought us to this state of affairs is called
"divide and conquer" and has been promulgated by those who already
have more financial assets than they or their descendents will ever
need and whose principal drive is to gain more and more power and
control. Control over you and me.

Some of us can discuss such things rationally, but we have to be very
careful who we discuss them with. Too many people become angry and
resort to name-calling and insults. I must admit, there are very few
people I dare discuss politics with. When my husband was alive, he was
not one of them. We belonged to different parties, and learned early in
our marriage that we could not discuss partisan politics without
becoming angry. Within a month or so, we agreed never to discuss such
things. That saved us a lot of arguments.

Joy

On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed
politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but
to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's
opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful,
we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious
kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have
worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree
on some.

Judith

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Judith Latham
Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK.

Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion
and they are always wrong :-)

Judith Latham wrote:

On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed
politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but
to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's
opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful,
we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious
kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have
worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree
on some.

I wouldn't want to be close to someone whose views offended me. I can't
separate someone's beliefs from who they are as people. Beliefs express
important things about people.

But there are a lot of people whose beliefs I can respect, even if I
don't share them 100%. Maybe the areas of disagreement aren't as
central to either of us. And there are lots of controversial issues
where I can see both sides, even when my personal opinion is firmly
on one side.

But to be partnered with someone, I need to feel like there's enough
basic common ground, like we have compatible underlying perspectives
on things. We might disagree on details, but we share the important
parts of our vision of how things are and how they should be. That's
part of what partnership is about to me.

All of this is to say that I think you did a wise thing. Yeah, most
people wouldn't have that conversation on their first date, but so
what? If he had turned out to be, say, an unrepentant racist, it would
certainly have been good to know that right from the start, right?

Sounds like you and I are pretty close in age. I turned 17 in the fall
of '71, graduated HS in '72.

--
Joyce

I prefer to live with Feline Sapiens, thank you very much.

"Matthew" wrote in message
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Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone
has an opinion and they are always wrong :-)


"Opinions are like backsides. Everyone has one, but it's unwise
to air them in public."
- Winston Churchill.

--
MatSav

"Joy" wrote in message
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"Pat" wrote in message
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where
any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect!

de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in
public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society
so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very
existence is now threatened.

How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without
everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves?
(snippage)
Joy

My father taught me never to discuss politics or religion. It's too
contentious. Those are subjects no one will ever agree about.

OB Cats: Persia is losing weight. She's been "fluffy" for years. Losing
weight was the goal, but now I think she needs to maintain her present
weight. A change of food may be in order.

Jill

"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 6/27/2012 8:32 PM, Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:


She posted about the fires around Denver and Colorado Springs (and that
the local teamGO BRONCOS) have donated money to assist, today,
actually.

I cry when I see the evacuation of the horses most of all. A reminder
that the wildlife can't be escorted to safety, and how scared the horses
must be.

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My greatest fear in the event of a fire has always been that I could not get
to Holly and Duffy (and earlier cats, before them).

MaryL

"MaryL" wrote in message
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"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 6/27/2012 8:32 PM, Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:


She posted about the fires around Denver and Colorado Springs (and that
the local teamGO BRONCOS) have donated money to assist, today,
actually.

I cry when I see the evacuation of the horses most of all. A reminder
that the wildlife can't be escorted to safety, and how scared the horses
must be.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My greatest fear in the event of a fire has always been that I could not
get to Holly and Duffy (and earlier cats, before them).

MaryL

Same here right now I know I could grab Jammer anything goes wrong he
comes right to me Rumble and ka'shay would run and hide

Matthew wrote:
"Judith Latham" wrote in message
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On my first date with DH (I was sixteen and he was seventeen) we discussed
politics and religion. Not to make sure that we agreed on everything but
to make sure that we were both open minded enough to respect each other's
opinions. Of course if we'd had views that the other really found awful,
we needed to know before we went any further. OK, we were strange, serious
kids. That date was November 1971 and we're still together, must have
worked for us. We still discuss such things and have to agree to disagree
on some.

Judith

--
Judith Latham
Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK.

Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an opinion
and they are always wrong :-)

W-e-l-l - up to a point, that's a good rule, but when you are
considering a permanent relationship..... I was always taught not to
ask "personal" questions about people's income, etc., because it was
none of my business. I would certainly have saved myself a lot of grief
if I had realized that does not apply when you are considering marriage!

I knew my ex had a job delivering flowers (not quite as flaky as it
sounds, since we were both hoping to sing professionally). What I
DIDN'T know (because I didn't ask) was that he was only paid about $1.50
per delivery, and seldom got to work before noon, by which time most
floral deliveries are well on their way to their destinations! Even
back in the 1960's, that was a pretty low income. (He wasn't a
DELIBERATE leech, just a little boy who never grew up, and since he was
nearly forty when we married, there wasn't much hope he ever would.)

Judith Latham wrote:

Rule one Never discuss Religion, Sex and Politics. Everyone has an
opinion and they are always wrong :-)

Sometimes other people's ideas are interesting food for thought. However,
if they push them in my face, I can't be bothered to listen.

That's how I feel. I really enjoy talking about politics. But not when
people get totally obnoxious.

There are a lot of newsgroups where some truly psychotic ultra-right
racists have taken over. Some of them, such as rec.arts.tv, have
actual content I'm interested in, but you have to wade through hundreds
of posts where people just rant about... things not worthy of mention.
Of course I use my killfile, but they're even there in the legit posts.
I don't think this group will ever be like that because even when we
do talk about politics, it doesn't take over the whole group. And we
don't have people whose views are totally extreme.

I'm not crazy about rabid leftists, either - even when I more or less
agree with what they're saying. It's like, "Alright, alright, preaching
to the choir here! Shut up and play some music." But you don't see much
of that on Usenet. I've certainly heard it elsewhere, though.

--
Joyce

"Riveting reading that keeps readers reading."
-- The Midwest Book Review

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"Joy" wrote in message
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"Pat" wrote in message
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

Being "politically correct" seems to have deteriorated to a point where
any recognition of legitimate cultural differences has become suspect!

de-lurkIndeed it has. And the "etiquette" of staying silent in
public about political and religious matters has resulted in a society
so complacent that freedom is vanishing on all fronts, indeed our very
existence is now threatened.

How is it that we cannot discuss and debate real issues without
everyone getting ****ed off and withdrawing into their private caves?
(snippage)
Joy

My father taught me never to discuss politics or religion. It's too
contentious. Those are subjects no one will ever agree about.

OB Cats: Persia is losing weight. She's been "fluffy" for years. Losing
weight was the goal, but now I think she needs to maintain her present
weight. A change of food may be in order.

Jill

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I had to increase Holly and Duffy's food (Wellness canned) some time ago.
It seems to be "normal" (but not desirable) for cats to gradually lose
weight as they age. My vet told me that weight loss usually begins at about
age 13. So far, I have been successful in stopping the weight loss but not
in increasing their weight. Of course, it's better for them to be slightly
underweight rather than overweight.

MaryL