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Old October 6th 03, 03:28 PM
kaeli
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Default Why the tiger almost killed Roy.


I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat on
the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed at
Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.
So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to force
it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets ****y, tries
to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal. If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
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Old October 6th 03, 04:03 PM
Alison
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Hi kaeli,
It's was on the news over here. I dont feel any sympathy for the man
at all . It's a shame these shows are still allowed in this day and
age. The same as people keeping tigers as pets . I believe there are
about 80,000 of them . Why aren't the welfare groups putting pressure
on the venues and arranging boycotts and demonstrations? No shows -
no performing wild animals .
Alison

--
I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger

almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the
Quote:
cat on
the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed

at
Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away

with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.


So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to

force
it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets ****y,

tries
to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it

really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal.

If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------



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Old October 6th 03, 04:03 PM
Alison
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Hi kaeli,
It's was on the news over here. I dont feel any sympathy for the man
at all . It's a shame these shows are still allowed in this day and
age. The same as people keeping tigers as pets . I believe there are
about 80,000 of them . Why aren't the welfare groups putting pressure
on the venues and arranging boycotts and demonstrations? No shows -
no performing wild animals .
Alison

--
I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger

almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the
Quote:
cat on
the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed

at
Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away

with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.


So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to

force
it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets ****y,

tries
to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it

really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal.

If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------



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Old October 6th 03, 05:32 PM
Joe Canuck
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kaeli wrote:
I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat on
the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed at
Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.

So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to force
it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets ****y, tries
to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal. If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------


The tiger is probably more than a little frustrated at being caged up
all the time and being "encouraged" to perform tricks on command.

This is NO domestic kitty!

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old October 6th 03, 05:32 PM
Joe Canuck
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kaeli wrote:
I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat on
the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed at
Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.

So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to force
it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets ****y, tries
to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal. If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------


The tiger is probably more than a little frustrated at being caged up
all the time and being "encouraged" to perform tricks on command.

This is NO domestic kitty!

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old October 6th 03, 07:52 PM
JLove98905
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Why aren't the welfare groups putting pressure
on the venues and arranging boycotts and demonstrations?


I agree that using wild animals for entertainment purposes is unfair, but I'm
not sure how I feel about boycotting S&R. I recently went to Las Vegas and
stayed at the Mirage. I visited the animal areas, and was surprised to learn
that Siegfried and Roy spend a lot of money on conservation programs. In
addition to the lions and tigers, they also have a dolphin facility. There was
some work done on dolphin behavior there, which I remembered as being similar
to my own behavioral research with chimpanzees. The ideal solution would be to
cut the performing, and focus on the conservation. Maybe that's what they'll do
going forward.
I guess the point it, they have done some good for seriously threatened
species, in addition to their show work. At least *part* of the ludicrous
amount of money they make goes back to the animals.
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


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Old October 6th 03, 07:52 PM
JLove98905
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Why aren't the welfare groups putting pressure
on the venues and arranging boycotts and demonstrations?


I agree that using wild animals for entertainment purposes is unfair, but I'm
not sure how I feel about boycotting S&R. I recently went to Las Vegas and
stayed at the Mirage. I visited the animal areas, and was surprised to learn
that Siegfried and Roy spend a lot of money on conservation programs. In
addition to the lions and tigers, they also have a dolphin facility. There was
some work done on dolphin behavior there, which I remembered as being similar
to my own behavioral research with chimpanzees. The ideal solution would be to
cut the performing, and focus on the conservation. Maybe that's what they'll do
going forward.
I guess the point it, they have done some good for seriously threatened
species, in addition to their show work. At least *part* of the ludicrous
amount of money they make goes back to the animals.
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


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Old October 6th 03, 07:57 PM
Karen M.
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Joe Canuck wrote:
kaeli wrote:

I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat
on the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed
at Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.

So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to
force it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets
****y, tries to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal. If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------



The tiger is probably more than a little frustrated at being caged up
all the time and being "encouraged" to perform tricks on command.

This is NO domestic kitty!

And they'll probably kill the poor tiger because he's now "dangerous"!

  #9  
Old October 6th 03, 07:57 PM
Karen M.
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Joe Canuck wrote:
kaeli wrote:

I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of Siegfried & Roy and their
tigers. In case you haven't heard, one of the tigers finally mauled
their "trainer" Roy.
(BTW, I am very against "training" wild animals to perform for human
amusement)

So, from the "take a lesson" department - the reason the tiger almost
killed Roy...

From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-roy06.html
Quote:
Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat
on the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed
at Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.

The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with
the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the
stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid
artery.

So, he irritates a 500 pound animal to get its attention, tries to
force it to do something it doesn't want to do, then when it gets
****y, tries to get it to let go by beating it.
I'd say it didn't work too well.

When will people learn that eventually, the wild animal is going to
decide it doesn't like being made to do something and decide it really
is bigger than you? There is no such thing as a "tame" wild animal. If
there were, we'd call them domesticated.
*sigh*

-------------------------------------------------
~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace
-------------------------------------------------



The tiger is probably more than a little frustrated at being caged up
all the time and being "encouraged" to perform tricks on command.

This is NO domestic kitty!

And they'll probably kill the poor tiger because he's now "dangerous"!

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Old October 6th 03, 08:12 PM
K
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"Karen M." wrote in news:blsdln$7iq$1
@nntp.psmfc.org:


And they'll probably kill the poor tiger because he's now "dangerous"!


The latest I heard is the tiger is going to a zoo, because it is an
endangered species.

K
 




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