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  #31  
Old July 1st 04, 07:20 AM
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That is terrible that you would suggest euthanasia. Unless the cat is
terribly sick and has no chance of being saved they should not be
euthanized. This problem might be easily solved and the cat most likely can
live a long and healthy life. You also can't predict that a cat will spend
the rest of their life in a cage. Haven't you ever heard of a no-kill
shelter?

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"Sunflower" wrote in message
news:YJqEc.174772
This is not the description of a cat that is easily rehomed. I can see

why
rescue hasn't gotten back to you. Most likely given her history, she

will
be euthanized or cruelly spend the rest of her life in a small cage if

they
even take her. If you have any affection for this animal, then take her

in
to the vet yourself and have her euthanized. I understand why she can't

be
a part of your family, but no other family is going to want her either.

You
owe it to her to make sure her last moments on earth are with the family

she
knows and loves now. I know it's hard for you to euthanize her, but it's
part of the bargain you made when you gave her a home in the first place.
If you cannot provide her with a good life, at least provide her with a

good
death.






  #32  
Old July 1st 04, 07:24 AM
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You say the litter has not been changed? If you don't clean the litterbox no
wonder the cat is going to the bathroom outside of it.

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:%tCEc.4435$XM6.662@attbi_s53...
I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing

this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years

old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood. Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder

used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are

uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is in

a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box..

She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet

away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in

the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their

help.
The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a

room
and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The

vet
says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people

are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens

once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful

(loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog

could
care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted or

have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use

the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a covered

one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure

the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You may

want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W






  #33  
Old July 1st 04, 07:24 AM
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You say the litter has not been changed? If you don't clean the litterbox no
wonder the cat is going to the bathroom outside of it.

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:%tCEc.4435$XM6.662@attbi_s53...
I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing

this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years

old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood. Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder

used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are

uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is in

a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box..

She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet

away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in

the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their

help.
The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a

room
and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The

vet
says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people

are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens

once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful

(loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog

could
care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted or

have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use

the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a covered

one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure

the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You may

want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W






  #34  
Old July 1st 04, 07:34 AM
Phil
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The cat litter brand has not been changed. It is the same the breeder was
using. The litter itself is cleaned every day, and changed out on a less
frequent basis.

- Phil

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:66OEc.33185$rh.14788@okepread02...
You say the litter has not been changed? If you don't clean the litterbox

no
wonder the cat is going to the bathroom outside of it.

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:%tCEc.4435$XM6.662@attbi_s53...
I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing

this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years

old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination

problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with

good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood.

Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder

used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are

uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary

location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is

in
a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box..

She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet

away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost

of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot

by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than

once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in

the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely

must
get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the

Tonkinese
rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their

help.
The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so

she
must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a

room
and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The

vet
says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and

as
she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine,

spreading
to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new

mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of

things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people

are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens

once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers.

I
just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her

unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful

(loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog

could
care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted

or
have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like

she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use

the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just

try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a

covered
one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure

the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like

doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You

may
want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be

almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W








  #35  
Old July 1st 04, 07:34 AM
Phil
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The cat litter brand has not been changed. It is the same the breeder was
using. The litter itself is cleaned every day, and changed out on a less
frequent basis.

- Phil

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:66OEc.33185$rh.14788@okepread02...
You say the litter has not been changed? If you don't clean the litterbox

no
wonder the cat is going to the bathroom outside of it.

--
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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Phil" wrote in message
news:%tCEc.4435$XM6.662@attbi_s53...
I would like to respond to all who responded, but given the number of
responses, will need to be brief.

The vet did some work and detected a minor bladder infection, which was
cured with antibiotics. Had her a year and a half. Pretty much doing

this
the whole time, although more of problem later on. She is 6-1/2 years

old,
and according to the breeder would occasionally have the urination

problem
with her as well. The breeder and us figured she may stop this with

good
attention from us. So, problem could have existed from kittenhood.

Don't
know. The litter has not been changed, and is the same as the breeder

used.
Litter box location and dual boxes have had no impact. Both are

uncovered.
We tried a covered one but that did nothing either. The primary

location
for the box is a bathroom that is almost never used. The other box is

in
a
laundry room. Since she is confined to one room now, there is just one
litter box in that room. However, food is within 10 feet of the box..

She
did urinate and poop in the same box, but occasionally will urinate
somewhere else. She even pooped once outside the box, but just 15 feet

away
from it. We tried Feliaway, but our house is decent sized and the cost

of
this stuff is not cheap to use effectively. We discovered a three foot

by
three foot carpeted area she urinated on (must have been more than

once),
which I cleaned up, and with Feliaway applied as directed, she never
urinated there again. But, there is a LOT of house left.

Thank you for your comments. We have someone who might be interested in

the
cat. Hopefully, she can find peace and comfort there.

- Phil

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely

must
get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the

Tonkinese
rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their

help.
The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so

she
must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a

room
and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The

vet
says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and

as
she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine,

spreading
to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new

mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of

things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people

are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens

once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers.

I
just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her

unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful

(loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog

could
care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil



Did the vet do blood work and urine testing?

You didn't say how long you've had this cat. Is she recently adopted

or
have
you had her since kittenhood and this is a recent development? If the

later
has something changed around your home?

If a medical problem has been completely ruled out then you have a
behavioral problem. You haven't said what you've tried to change this
behavior so I'll just throw out some thoughts.

Because of the quantity of urine you describe it almost sounds like

she
holds her urine until she can't any longer. She might be afraid to use

the
box or not like something about the box.

You could try Cat Attract litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ or just

try
different textures/materials, scented/un-scented.

If you use a covered box, uncover it. If it isn't covered try a

covered
one.

The box might be in an area where there is too much traffic (human or
canine). She might be happier with a more private location. Make sure

the
box isn't too close to her food.

If she poops in the box but won't urinate in it she might not like

doing
both in the same box. You could try setting up a second box.

She might be stressed by the dog or any number of other things. You

may
want
to try a Feliway diffuser. Feliway puts pheromes into the air that can

calm
the cat.

I hope you can find a solution to her problem because she will be

almost
impossible to rehome unless this issue can be resolved.

Good Luck! I do understand your frustration.

W








  #36  
Old July 1st 04, 08:17 AM
Phil
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Well, I figured a response like this would come along sooner or later. If
you read three of my other responses in this thread you would not have to
wonder if we had the problem looked into by a vet. We have. I never said
the cat is "disposable". Do I care more about my property than the cat?
Well, there is a balance! I expect and tolerate occasional mistakes and/or
damage from a pet. But, no sane person is going to tolerate $1500
mattresses, $1000 couches, etc. being destroyed by a cat, on a regular
basis. Sure, it can be cleaned (sometimes), or replaced, but there is no
way I am willing to spend that kind of money, CONSTANTLY, to keep a cat.
Nor am I willing to have guests over and have their belongings urinated on.
It may be worth it to you, and maybe you can even afford to do that, but
personally, I think that's nuts. Moreover, I am not obligated to adhere to
your standards, so quit trying to apply them to me.

Treat a cat like a beer can? You know precious little about how I treat a
cat. You don't know that the last cat we had was also a rescue kitten, that
we kept her for 17 years and euthanised after she was falling apart due to
old age, and suffering. Our other cat was a also a rescue kitten who found
another home. I, and my wife love animals, with both of us rescuing
everything from a spider in the house, to rattlesnakes and other snakes on
the road, to lost kittens and dogs, and injured birds. With all due
respect, you are clueless on how I treat animals or this cat, so cut the
judgment crap.

Yes, it is a life we are talking about, and I am doing all that I can to
ensure the cat gets the best life possible. I could take the most expedient
solution and just drop her off at the ASPCA. But, I am not doing that. If
your standards for "life" are so high, do you care about the snakes I
rescue, or do you even blink an eye when you see one hit or run over on the
road? A squirrel? Deer?

Your equating of human child with a cat is course, laughably absurd. If
that were at all sensible, then I guess I ought to be telling my daughter,
"sorry can't pay for the college tuition because we have some expensive
ongoing vet bills to pay". Ridiculous. I expect reasonable vet bills, but
there is a limit. You have yours (maybe), I have mine.

We might get another cat. Or some other pet. If it is a problem, we will
have to find a better life for it. Period. Of course, we always look for a
pet that appears to be a good fit for our home. Dumping on the street or
shelter? Gee whiz, I AM here on this board, trying to find a good home. If
I was inclined to do as you suggest, why am I here?

Trust me, this cat has gotten very good care. Again, you have zero idea of
the care we have given, so your assertions are baseless. But, if you are so
certain my level of care is poor, and that destruction of property is
tolerable, then you won't have any problem taking the cat will you? ....I
thought so...

Your kind of response does absolutely NOTHING to help the cat, which I would
expect is what you want. Your energies are directed at trying to assail
people who don't fit with your "cat on a pedestal" mentality. If you really
cared about the cat, you would come up with something useful to say. You
should know this is the second time I have visited cat forums for help, and
both times, I get your kind of drivel. Fortunately, some of the other
posters have posted helpful information, a feature sorely missing in your
rant.

If nothing else, remember this. I came here for some help. Your kind of
response just turns people away or ticks them off, which may mean they will
do the very thing you abhor. Dump on the street, shelter, or euthanize.
How well does that sit with you?

- Phil

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:j%NEc.33138$rh.13536@okepread02...
I have to wonder if you even went to a vet to have this problem looked

into.
I think it is terrible you think this cat is disposable. I hope this cat
gets a good home because you obviously care more about your property

(which
can be cleaned or replaced) than this cat. Why is it that people like
yourself treat this cat like a beer can? This is a life we are talking
about. Would you get rid of a human child if they had a medical issue?
Though some might applaud that you are wanting to see this cat in a good
home, I have to wonder if you'll get another cat that you'll end up

dumping
into a shelter or on the street because you chose not to handle your
lifelong responsibility. This cat deserves better and I hope she gets a

good
and loving home because obviously her humans do not care enough to give

her
the very best care. If you decide to keep her then a vet can possibly find
the problem if it is medical. It might be easily solved or it may be

stress
that is causing it.

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil






  #37  
Old July 1st 04, 08:17 AM
Phil
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Well, I figured a response like this would come along sooner or later. If
you read three of my other responses in this thread you would not have to
wonder if we had the problem looked into by a vet. We have. I never said
the cat is "disposable". Do I care more about my property than the cat?
Well, there is a balance! I expect and tolerate occasional mistakes and/or
damage from a pet. But, no sane person is going to tolerate $1500
mattresses, $1000 couches, etc. being destroyed by a cat, on a regular
basis. Sure, it can be cleaned (sometimes), or replaced, but there is no
way I am willing to spend that kind of money, CONSTANTLY, to keep a cat.
Nor am I willing to have guests over and have their belongings urinated on.
It may be worth it to you, and maybe you can even afford to do that, but
personally, I think that's nuts. Moreover, I am not obligated to adhere to
your standards, so quit trying to apply them to me.

Treat a cat like a beer can? You know precious little about how I treat a
cat. You don't know that the last cat we had was also a rescue kitten, that
we kept her for 17 years and euthanised after she was falling apart due to
old age, and suffering. Our other cat was a also a rescue kitten who found
another home. I, and my wife love animals, with both of us rescuing
everything from a spider in the house, to rattlesnakes and other snakes on
the road, to lost kittens and dogs, and injured birds. With all due
respect, you are clueless on how I treat animals or this cat, so cut the
judgment crap.

Yes, it is a life we are talking about, and I am doing all that I can to
ensure the cat gets the best life possible. I could take the most expedient
solution and just drop her off at the ASPCA. But, I am not doing that. If
your standards for "life" are so high, do you care about the snakes I
rescue, or do you even blink an eye when you see one hit or run over on the
road? A squirrel? Deer?

Your equating of human child with a cat is course, laughably absurd. If
that were at all sensible, then I guess I ought to be telling my daughter,
"sorry can't pay for the college tuition because we have some expensive
ongoing vet bills to pay". Ridiculous. I expect reasonable vet bills, but
there is a limit. You have yours (maybe), I have mine.

We might get another cat. Or some other pet. If it is a problem, we will
have to find a better life for it. Period. Of course, we always look for a
pet that appears to be a good fit for our home. Dumping on the street or
shelter? Gee whiz, I AM here on this board, trying to find a good home. If
I was inclined to do as you suggest, why am I here?

Trust me, this cat has gotten very good care. Again, you have zero idea of
the care we have given, so your assertions are baseless. But, if you are so
certain my level of care is poor, and that destruction of property is
tolerable, then you won't have any problem taking the cat will you? ....I
thought so...

Your kind of response does absolutely NOTHING to help the cat, which I would
expect is what you want. Your energies are directed at trying to assail
people who don't fit with your "cat on a pedestal" mentality. If you really
cared about the cat, you would come up with something useful to say. You
should know this is the second time I have visited cat forums for help, and
both times, I get your kind of drivel. Fortunately, some of the other
posters have posted helpful information, a feature sorely missing in your
rant.

If nothing else, remember this. I came here for some help. Your kind of
response just turns people away or ticks them off, which may mean they will
do the very thing you abhor. Dump on the street, shelter, or euthanize.
How well does that sit with you?

- Phil

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:j%NEc.33138$rh.13536@okepread02...
I have to wonder if you even went to a vet to have this problem looked

into.
I think it is terrible you think this cat is disposable. I hope this cat
gets a good home because you obviously care more about your property

(which
can be cleaned or replaced) than this cat. Why is it that people like
yourself treat this cat like a beer can? This is a life we are talking
about. Would you get rid of a human child if they had a medical issue?
Though some might applaud that you are wanting to see this cat in a good
home, I have to wonder if you'll get another cat that you'll end up

dumping
into a shelter or on the street because you chose not to handle your
lifelong responsibility. This cat deserves better and I hope she gets a

good
and loving home because obviously her humans do not care enough to give

her
the very best care. If you decide to keep her then a vet can possibly find
the problem if it is medical. It might be easily solved or it may be

stress
that is causing it.

--
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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help.

The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room

and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet

says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could

care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil






  #38  
Old July 1st 04, 12:13 PM
Wendy
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"Phil" wrote in message
news:NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51...
Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The breeder did

not
make much of it, but it was felt this would cease if she got a better

home,
lots of attention, plenty of space, very comfortable surroundings, and
quietness. She was confined to a bedroom with another cat at the

breeder's
house. We tried working with the cat for a year and a half. Vet visits,
tests, FeliAway, cat box locations, number of cat boxes, etc.. Nothing has
worked.

Yes, we tried. I don't know where this cat would be had we not come

along.

- Phil


They do sell diapers for cats. Might help as a temporary measure.

http://www.joybies.com/pagecat.html

W


  #39  
Old July 1st 04, 12:13 PM
Wendy
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"Phil" wrote in message
news:NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51...
Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The breeder did

not
make much of it, but it was felt this would cease if she got a better

home,
lots of attention, plenty of space, very comfortable surroundings, and
quietness. She was confined to a bedroom with another cat at the

breeder's
house. We tried working with the cat for a year and a half. Vet visits,
tests, FeliAway, cat box locations, number of cat boxes, etc.. Nothing has
worked.

Yes, we tried. I don't know where this cat would be had we not come

along.

- Phil


They do sell diapers for cats. Might help as a temporary measure.

http://www.joybies.com/pagecat.html

W


  #40  
Old July 1st 04, 04:01 PM
Cat Protector
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You proved exactly my point. You care more for property than the cat. Things
can be replaced, a life can't. Besides didn't you state earlier that you
adopted the cat knowing the problem? How can you take in a special needs cat
the one minute and then get rid of them the next? That is a pretty cold
thing to do. You also adopted from a breeder instead of giving a cat in a
shelter awaiting adoption a good home. Buy adopting from a breeder you do
nothing to help in the overpopulation problem. As for the 17 year old
rescue, it is funny you mention that when someone is bold enough to say they
are against you tossing a cat out like a beer can. You also now state that
you might get another cat and if they too are a problem will re-home them.
How can you be so cold?

People like yourself should not adopt an animal unless you are willing to
give them love and care for the rest of their life. Having a cat is a
lifelong responsibility not some part-time one where if a problem happens
the cat goes. You say my posts do nothing to help the cat but it does. It
ensures that there are people willing to take a stand against those
irresponsible humans who feel the cat is disposable when the problem can be
easily solved. You mention how important your stuff is ratgher than how
important the cat is. You say that if I cared about the cat that I should
come up with something useful to say. Well I have but you just aren't
listening. I first said get the cat to a vet and have this looked into but
post after post you said they couldn't find a problem or that you have no
idea what it is. You then started to complain about how your stuff is being
ruined or how much it costs. That does nothing more than say "I care more
about the money and my stuff than the cat."

I see people like you every day who drop cats off at the shelter or re-home
a cat because they discover they can't handle the responsibility. Every one
of them has an excuse like they are moving, new baby, my SO or I am is
allergic, and any other weak reason for doing what they do. Too many humans
are using shelters as drop-off points and they are filled to capacity
because of the ever increasing overpopulation problem and also because some
humans feel that when a problem happens they'd rather end their
responsibility. I feel bad for the many cats that end up in shelters. Sure
you didn't dump the cat out in the street but you also are making excuses by
adding to the overpopulation problem and sending a message to many that it
is ok to get rid of the cat if any problem arises. I hope you will not adopt
another cat that needs a good and loving home unless you are fully prepared
to take on the responsibility for not just part of the animals life but
their entire lifetime.

As for your theory of my kind of message making people mad or resulting in
dumping of the cat, that is pretty week. Before I even posted you made the
decision to get rid of the cat. What kind of message do you think you are
sending? At least when I have adopted a cat I did not dump them as soon as a
problem has arisen. If anything my message says that every cat deserves a
good and loving home and that adopting one takes great responsibility and
care. If you are unprepared for the responsibility then don't adopt so you
can ensure that cat has a long and happy life with a human who will take on
that lifelong task.

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"Phil" wrote in message
news:XTOEc.6098$wY5.3090@attbi_s54...
Well, I figured a response like this would come along sooner or later. If
you read three of my other responses in this thread you would not have to
wonder if we had the problem looked into by a vet. We have. I never said
the cat is "disposable". Do I care more about my property than the cat?
Well, there is a balance! I expect and tolerate occasional mistakes

and/or
damage from a pet. But, no sane person is going to tolerate $1500
mattresses, $1000 couches, etc. being destroyed by a cat, on a regular
basis. Sure, it can be cleaned (sometimes), or replaced, but there is no
way I am willing to spend that kind of money, CONSTANTLY, to keep a cat.
Nor am I willing to have guests over and have their belongings urinated

on.
It may be worth it to you, and maybe you can even afford to do that, but
personally, I think that's nuts. Moreover, I am not obligated to adhere

to
your standards, so quit trying to apply them to me.

Treat a cat like a beer can? You know precious little about how I treat a
cat. You don't know that the last cat we had was also a rescue kitten,

that
we kept her for 17 years and euthanised after she was falling apart due to
old age, and suffering. Our other cat was a also a rescue kitten who

found
another home. I, and my wife love animals, with both of us rescuing
everything from a spider in the house, to rattlesnakes and other snakes on
the road, to lost kittens and dogs, and injured birds. With all due
respect, you are clueless on how I treat animals or this cat, so cut the
judgment crap.

Yes, it is a life we are talking about, and I am doing all that I can to
ensure the cat gets the best life possible. I could take the most

expedient
solution and just drop her off at the ASPCA. But, I am not doing that.

If
your standards for "life" are so high, do you care about the snakes I
rescue, or do you even blink an eye when you see one hit or run over on

the
road? A squirrel? Deer?

Your equating of human child with a cat is course, laughably absurd. If
that were at all sensible, then I guess I ought to be telling my daughter,
"sorry can't pay for the college tuition because we have some expensive
ongoing vet bills to pay". Ridiculous. I expect reasonable vet bills,

but
there is a limit. You have yours (maybe), I have mine.

We might get another cat. Or some other pet. If it is a problem, we will
have to find a better life for it. Period. Of course, we always look for

a
pet that appears to be a good fit for our home. Dumping on the street or
shelter? Gee whiz, I AM here on this board, trying to find a good home.

If
I was inclined to do as you suggest, why am I here?

Trust me, this cat has gotten very good care. Again, you have zero idea

of
the care we have given, so your assertions are baseless. But, if you are

so
certain my level of care is poor, and that destruction of property is
tolerable, then you won't have any problem taking the cat will you? ....I
thought so...

Your kind of response does absolutely NOTHING to help the cat, which I

would
expect is what you want. Your energies are directed at trying to assail
people who don't fit with your "cat on a pedestal" mentality. If you

really
cared about the cat, you would come up with something useful to say. You
should know this is the second time I have visited cat forums for help,

and
both times, I get your kind of drivel. Fortunately, some of the other
posters have posted helpful information, a feature sorely missing in your
rant.

If nothing else, remember this. I came here for some help. Your kind of
response just turns people away or ticks them off, which may mean they

will
do the very thing you abhor. Dump on the street, shelter, or euthanize.
How well does that sit with you?

- Phil

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:j%NEc.33138$rh.13536@okepread02...
I have to wonder if you even went to a vet to have this problem looked

into.
I think it is terrible you think this cat is disposable. I hope this cat
gets a good home because you obviously care more about your property

(which
can be cleaned or replaced) than this cat. Why is it that people like
yourself treat this cat like a beer can? This is a life we are talking
about. Would you get rid of a human child if they had a medical issue?
Though some might applaud that you are wanting to see this cat in a good
home, I have to wonder if you'll get another cat that you'll end up

dumping
into a shelter or on the street because you chose not to handle your
lifelong responsibility. This cat deserves better and I hope she gets a

good
and loving home because obviously her humans do not care enough to give

her
the very best care. If you decide to keep her then a vet can possibly

find
the problem if it is medical. It might be easily solved or it may be

stress
that is causing it.

--
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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

"Phil" wrote in message
news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52...
We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must

get
out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese

rescue
group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their

help.
The
cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she

must
be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a

room
and
gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The

vet
says
she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she

always
does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as

she
walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading

to
half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a

comforter,
electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress.
Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things,
within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people

are
home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens

once
every few weeks.

We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I

just
want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual
behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful

(loves
chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc..

Has
all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back

Dalmatian,
but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog

could
care
less about the cat.

If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would
appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area.

Thanks,

- Phil








 




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