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In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", kaeli
artfully composed this message within on 17 Sep 2004: when I fed her dinner I wet a few of the bits with water so they'd become soft, and something other than the crunchy stuff she considers food. This sounds like something to try! First just a little water, then gradually softer and softer... Thanks for the idea! LOL I hope you have better luck than I have. -- Cheryl |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... I do want to try the Wellness, though (you were right, I had it confused with another brand). Maybe they'll really like it. *crosses fingers* Update: they hated the Wellness canned. And the Innova. They liked the Wellness dry, though. Picky ass cats. *hurumph* -- -- ~kaeli~ Acupuncture is a jab well done. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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"kaeli" wrote in message ... In article , enlightened us with... I do want to try the Wellness, though (you were right, I had it confused with another brand). Maybe they'll really like it. *crosses fingers* Update: they hated the Wellness canned. And the Innova. They liked the Wellness dry, though. Picky ass cats. *hurumph* -- -- Well, about a week after I switched Cheeks from her FF to Nutro, etc. she began wheezing and I found bumps on her skin. The vet was right in her case--she is allergic to a bunch of things, hence the asthma and the linear granuloma. He said that even though the FF is crap food, if she thrives on it (no asthma attacks even though no Depo shot for six months, no bumps anywhere after I began feeding it to her as the main part of her diet) I should stick with what works. |
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"kaeli" wrote in message ... In article , enlightened us with... I do want to try the Wellness, though (you were right, I had it confused with another brand). Maybe they'll really like it. *crosses fingers* Update: they hated the Wellness canned. And the Innova. They liked the Wellness dry, though. Picky ass cats. *hurumph* -- -- Well, about a week after I switched Cheeks from her FF to Nutro, etc. she began wheezing and I found bumps on her skin. The vet was right in her case--she is allergic to a bunch of things, hence the asthma and the linear granuloma. He said that even though the FF is crap food, if she thrives on it (no asthma attacks even though no Depo shot for six months, no bumps anywhere after I began feeding it to her as the main part of her diet) I should stick with what works. |
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(jamie) wrote in message ...
Steve Crane wrote: Here's the decision you must make. Do I feed a food with excesses of phosphorus in order to justify some other emotional need/desire/preference I have, even when that need/desire/preference cannot be proven to show any benefit? According to the lists at http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/dryfood.html The chicken, turkey, chicken & herring, and turkey & salmon flavors of Wellness don't have significantly more phosphorus than most of the varieties of Science Diet. The mixed seafood flavors have more, but so do a few of the Science Diet dry varieties. Actually according to the canned website above the Wellness products average 201 mgs/100 kcals and the Science Diet products average 160 mg/ 100kcal, that an increase of 25.62% mroe phosphorus in the Wellness canned foods. 25% is a significant difference. BTW, Hills prescription M/D canned is higher in carb than Science Diet canned kitten food. Why? Feline m/d canned contains 15.7% carbs, Feline kitten liver & chicken contains 16.0% carbs, Feline Kitten Ocean Fish contains 13.1% carbs. The objective of m/d is to drive the cat into metabolic ketosis. Once that state is reached it does not matter what the carb level is. Feline Kitten also contains vastly higher levels of calcium and phosphorus to meet a growing kittens needs, which Feline m/d does not. Phos in Feline Kitten is at 0.99% versus m/d at .069% DMB basis. Feline Kitten is designed for a growing kitten, Feline m/d is desinged to induce metabolic ketosis in an adult cat which should not be getting growth levels of calcium, phosphorus etc. |
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(jamie) wrote in message ...
Steve Crane wrote: Here's the decision you must make. Do I feed a food with excesses of phosphorus in order to justify some other emotional need/desire/preference I have, even when that need/desire/preference cannot be proven to show any benefit? According to the lists at http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/dryfood.html The chicken, turkey, chicken & herring, and turkey & salmon flavors of Wellness don't have significantly more phosphorus than most of the varieties of Science Diet. The mixed seafood flavors have more, but so do a few of the Science Diet dry varieties. Actually according to the canned website above the Wellness products average 201 mgs/100 kcals and the Science Diet products average 160 mg/ 100kcal, that an increase of 25.62% mroe phosphorus in the Wellness canned foods. 25% is a significant difference. BTW, Hills prescription M/D canned is higher in carb than Science Diet canned kitten food. Why? Feline m/d canned contains 15.7% carbs, Feline kitten liver & chicken contains 16.0% carbs, Feline Kitten Ocean Fish contains 13.1% carbs. The objective of m/d is to drive the cat into metabolic ketosis. Once that state is reached it does not matter what the carb level is. Feline Kitten also contains vastly higher levels of calcium and phosphorus to meet a growing kittens needs, which Feline m/d does not. Phos in Feline Kitten is at 0.99% versus m/d at .069% DMB basis. Feline Kitten is designed for a growing kitten, Feline m/d is desinged to induce metabolic ketosis in an adult cat which should not be getting growth levels of calcium, phosphorus etc. |
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Steve Crane wrote:
(jamie) wrote in message ... Steve Crane wrote: Here's the decision you must make. Do I feed a food with excesses of phosphorus in order to justify some other emotional need/desire/preference I have, even when that need/desire/preference cannot be proven to show any benefit? According to the lists at http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/dryfood.html The chicken, turkey, chicken & herring, and turkey & salmon flavors of Wellness don't have significantly more phosphorus than most of the varieties of Science Diet. The mixed seafood flavors have more, but so do a few of the Science Diet dry varieties. Actually according to the canned website above the Wellness products average 201 mgs/100 kcals and the Science Diet products average 160 mg/ 100kcal, that an increase of 25.62% mroe phosphorus in the Wellness canned foods. 25% is a significant difference. Playing math games by adding up all the Hills and Wellness flavors and dividing by the number of flavors offered does not negate what I stated. Several of the Wellness flavors contain 175-183mg/kcals, while the Science Diet canned Light Adult, Savory Cuts flavors and Senior Savory Cuts flavors are in the same range. Yet the *senior* Savory Cuts is *not* among the lower of Science Diet canned flavors in phosphorus, as the 3 "Adult" flavors and the "Senior" that are not Savory Cuts are lower. Only 2 of 16 types of Science Diet Dry are lower in phosphorus than the flavors I mentioned of Wellness canned, and quite a few of them are a good deal higher, some well over 200. Same for Hills prescription dry -- only a couple lower and several well over 200. That said, my cats *were* very happy and healthy on Science Diet dry Adult and Sensitive Stomach until they became elderly. The major disappointment was that several vets told me that a diet of Science diet dry would prevent FUS/FLUTD, but poor Gideon eventually developed a bladder full of struvite crystals on it. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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