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I honestly don't know whether or not they use feeding trials. Can you prove
that they don't or are you just saying it to bash them? I'm not bashing anyone, I'm simply pointing out facts and reality. If you don't believe me, pick up a can and read the AAFCO statement. Since AAFCO standards are so easy to pass, why don't they even try? "8 dogs older than 1 yr. must start the test. At start all dogs must be normal weight & health. A blood test is to be taken from each dog at the start and finish of the test. For 6 months, the dogs used must only eat the food being tested. The dogs finishing the test must not lose more than 15% of their body weight. During the test, none of the dogs used are to die or be removed because of nutritional causes. 6 of the 8 dogs starting must finish the test." This is take from AAFCO directly. So, according to them, 25% of the dogs being tested can die while eating the food being tested, and the food will still pass. You're reading this completely wrong and inserting your biases into it. If at least 6 of the 8 dogs must finish the test....that doesn't mean that 2 of the dogs have to die. They must simply FINISH the test. Why do you assume the worst? |
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I honestly don't know whether or not they use feeding trials. Can you prove
that they don't or are you just saying it to bash them? I'm not bashing anyone, I'm simply pointing out facts and reality. If you don't believe me, pick up a can and read the AAFCO statement. Since AAFCO standards are so easy to pass, why don't they even try? "8 dogs older than 1 yr. must start the test. At start all dogs must be normal weight & health. A blood test is to be taken from each dog at the start and finish of the test. For 6 months, the dogs used must only eat the food being tested. The dogs finishing the test must not lose more than 15% of their body weight. During the test, none of the dogs used are to die or be removed because of nutritional causes. 6 of the 8 dogs starting must finish the test." This is take from AAFCO directly. So, according to them, 25% of the dogs being tested can die while eating the food being tested, and the food will still pass. You're reading this completely wrong and inserting your biases into it. If at least 6 of the 8 dogs must finish the test....that doesn't mean that 2 of the dogs have to die. They must simply FINISH the test. Why do you assume the worst? |
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"Brian or Sharon Beuchaw" wrote in message ... Hello, First, let me thank y'all for the wealth of information that's been in here and archived - it's a *wonderful* resource. It's very much appreciated.... Just be sure you consult your vet before following any medical advice you obtain on the internet. These newsgroups should not be used as a replacement for professional veterinary care. Also be wary of extremists and fanatics with agendas. And hopefully this will be an easy question for y'all - our 5 year old female recently developed cystitis w/o crystals (and from what I've read, stress and eating dry food may aggravate it, You're correct. In fact a recent study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Association concluded: "Results suggest that idiopathic cystitis (IC) occurs commonly in cats with stranguria, hematuria, pollakiuria, or inappropriate elimination and is associated with consumption of dry foods." (J Am Vet Med Assoc 1997 Jan 1;210(1):46-50). This doesn't necessarily mean that dry food actually causes IC, but that dry food probably unmasks or aggravates the disorder in cats that are predisposed to it. In a highly regarded veterinary textbook, the same researchers at Ohio State University stated:: "We believe that stress is important in the development of recurrence of signs in cats with IC and may be important in precipitating the first episode of signs in susceptible animals.". and we just got a new kitten a few weeks ago and she eats dry food). I've read numerous posts about wet food being best, so we need to switch. Absolutely! Even though cats fed dry food drink ~6X more water than cats fed canned food, their total water intake is about *half* and their urine volume is lower than in cats fed canned food.. Increased water intake has several benefits for cats with IC (actually for all cats). Higher water intake and urine volume results in more frequent urination which reduces urine contact time with the bladder wall and dilution of any noxious substances in the urine. Frequent urination also reduces the risk of urinary tract infections. Which wet food (readily available at either the grocery store or Petsmart) would be best for keeping cystitis at bay for the rest of her life? Or does it really matter what brand as long as it's wet and the cat likes it and eats it? I wholeheartedly recommend a high quality canned food that's compounded from a fixed formula, such as Science Diet. "Fixed formula" means that the proportion and quality of the ingredients don't fluctuate with the market prices of the ingredients. So there's little, if any, variation in the food from batch to batch She's also got the herpes virus, which flared up into a swollen eye during her first year and again about 3 years later, so we're thinking it's possible the cystitis could recur if it's aggravated by the virus and stress. One last suggestion. You might want to speak to your vet about a glycosaminoglycan (GAG) supplement (glucosamine/chondroitin). A possible cause of IC may be a defect in the GAG layer that coats the bladder epithelium. A defect in the GAG layer might allow urine to penetrate the urothelium and induce inflammation. Some of the same substances present in cartilage.are also present in the GAG layer that lines the bladder wall. So a GAG supplement may strengthen and maintain the integrity of the GAG layer of the bladder wall. One of these supplements (Cosequin For Cats - [Nutramax Laboratories]) is specially formulated for cats in chicken and tuna flavored sprinkle capsules. http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/veterinary/cosequincat.htm Best of luck, Phil |
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"Brian or Sharon Beuchaw" wrote in message ... Hello, First, let me thank y'all for the wealth of information that's been in here and archived - it's a *wonderful* resource. It's very much appreciated.... Just be sure you consult your vet before following any medical advice you obtain on the internet. These newsgroups should not be used as a replacement for professional veterinary care. Also be wary of extremists and fanatics with agendas. And hopefully this will be an easy question for y'all - our 5 year old female recently developed cystitis w/o crystals (and from what I've read, stress and eating dry food may aggravate it, You're correct. In fact a recent study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Association concluded: "Results suggest that idiopathic cystitis (IC) occurs commonly in cats with stranguria, hematuria, pollakiuria, or inappropriate elimination and is associated with consumption of dry foods." (J Am Vet Med Assoc 1997 Jan 1;210(1):46-50). This doesn't necessarily mean that dry food actually causes IC, but that dry food probably unmasks or aggravates the disorder in cats that are predisposed to it. In a highly regarded veterinary textbook, the same researchers at Ohio State University stated:: "We believe that stress is important in the development of recurrence of signs in cats with IC and may be important in precipitating the first episode of signs in susceptible animals.". and we just got a new kitten a few weeks ago and she eats dry food). I've read numerous posts about wet food being best, so we need to switch. Absolutely! Even though cats fed dry food drink ~6X more water than cats fed canned food, their total water intake is about *half* and their urine volume is lower than in cats fed canned food.. Increased water intake has several benefits for cats with IC (actually for all cats). Higher water intake and urine volume results in more frequent urination which reduces urine contact time with the bladder wall and dilution of any noxious substances in the urine. Frequent urination also reduces the risk of urinary tract infections. Which wet food (readily available at either the grocery store or Petsmart) would be best for keeping cystitis at bay for the rest of her life? Or does it really matter what brand as long as it's wet and the cat likes it and eats it? I wholeheartedly recommend a high quality canned food that's compounded from a fixed formula, such as Science Diet. "Fixed formula" means that the proportion and quality of the ingredients don't fluctuate with the market prices of the ingredients. So there's little, if any, variation in the food from batch to batch She's also got the herpes virus, which flared up into a swollen eye during her first year and again about 3 years later, so we're thinking it's possible the cystitis could recur if it's aggravated by the virus and stress. One last suggestion. You might want to speak to your vet about a glycosaminoglycan (GAG) supplement (glucosamine/chondroitin). A possible cause of IC may be a defect in the GAG layer that coats the bladder epithelium. A defect in the GAG layer might allow urine to penetrate the urothelium and induce inflammation. Some of the same substances present in cartilage.are also present in the GAG layer that lines the bladder wall. So a GAG supplement may strengthen and maintain the integrity of the GAG layer of the bladder wall. One of these supplements (Cosequin For Cats - [Nutramax Laboratories]) is specially formulated for cats in chicken and tuna flavored sprinkle capsules. http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/veterinary/cosequincat.htm Best of luck, Phil |
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"Brian or Sharon Beuchaw" wrote in message ... Hello, First, let me thank y'all for the wealth of information that's been in here and archived - it's a *wonderful* resource. It's very much appreciated.... Just be sure you consult your vet before following any medical advice you obtain on the internet. These newsgroups should not be used as a replacement for professional veterinary care. Also be wary of extremists and fanatics with agendas. And hopefully this will be an easy question for y'all - our 5 year old female recently developed cystitis w/o crystals (and from what I've read, stress and eating dry food may aggravate it, You're correct. In fact a recent study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Association concluded: "Results suggest that idiopathic cystitis (IC) occurs commonly in cats with stranguria, hematuria, pollakiuria, or inappropriate elimination and is associated with consumption of dry foods." (J Am Vet Med Assoc 1997 Jan 1;210(1):46-50). This doesn't necessarily mean that dry food actually causes IC, but that dry food probably unmasks or aggravates the disorder in cats that are predisposed to it. In a highly regarded veterinary textbook, the same researchers at Ohio State University stated:: "We believe that stress is important in the development of recurrence of signs in cats with IC and may be important in precipitating the first episode of signs in susceptible animals.". and we just got a new kitten a few weeks ago and she eats dry food). I've read numerous posts about wet food being best, so we need to switch. Absolutely! Even though cats fed dry food drink ~6X more water than cats fed canned food, their total water intake is about *half* and their urine volume is lower than in cats fed canned food.. Increased water intake has several benefits for cats with IC (actually for all cats). Higher water intake and urine volume results in more frequent urination which reduces urine contact time with the bladder wall and dilution of any noxious substances in the urine. Frequent urination also reduces the risk of urinary tract infections. Which wet food (readily available at either the grocery store or Petsmart) would be best for keeping cystitis at bay for the rest of her life? Or does it really matter what brand as long as it's wet and the cat likes it and eats it? I wholeheartedly recommend a high quality canned food that's compounded from a fixed formula, such as Science Diet. "Fixed formula" means that the proportion and quality of the ingredients don't fluctuate with the market prices of the ingredients. So there's little, if any, variation in the food from batch to batch She's also got the herpes virus, which flared up into a swollen eye during her first year and again about 3 years later, so we're thinking it's possible the cystitis could recur if it's aggravated by the virus and stress. One last suggestion. You might want to speak to your vet about a glycosaminoglycan (GAG) supplement (glucosamine/chondroitin). A possible cause of IC may be a defect in the GAG layer that coats the bladder epithelium. A defect in the GAG layer might allow urine to penetrate the urothelium and induce inflammation. Some of the same substances present in cartilage.are also present in the GAG layer that lines the bladder wall. So a GAG supplement may strengthen and maintain the integrity of the GAG layer of the bladder wall. One of these supplements (Cosequin For Cats - [Nutramax Laboratories]) is specially formulated for cats in chicken and tuna flavored sprinkle capsules. http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/veterinary/cosequincat.htm Best of luck, Phil |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... I honestly don't know whether or not they use feeding trials. You said you read the labels on Science Diet products..... ...or was that just another one of your conjured up stories to fit a particular discussion? Its pretty hard to miss the feeding trial statement :right next to the ingredients list and guaranteed analysis.... "Animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet Adult Feline Maintenance provides complete and balances nutrition for maintenance of adult cats" |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... I honestly don't know whether or not they use feeding trials. You said you read the labels on Science Diet products..... ...or was that just another one of your conjured up stories to fit a particular discussion? Its pretty hard to miss the feeding trial statement :right next to the ingredients list and guaranteed analysis.... "Animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet Adult Feline Maintenance provides complete and balances nutrition for maintenance of adult cats" |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... I honestly don't know whether or not they use feeding trials. You said you read the labels on Science Diet products..... ...or was that just another one of your conjured up stories to fit a particular discussion? Its pretty hard to miss the feeding trial statement :right next to the ingredients list and guaranteed analysis.... "Animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet Adult Feline Maintenance provides complete and balances nutrition for maintenance of adult cats" |
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"Animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science
Diet Adult Feline Maintenance provides complete and balances nutrition for maintenance of adult cats" Is that the same AAFCO that never required arachidonic acid to be added in feline diets? The one that is run mostly by representatives from the pet food industry? |
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"Animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science
Diet Adult Feline Maintenance provides complete and balances nutrition for maintenance of adult cats" Is that the same AAFCO that never required arachidonic acid to be added in feline diets? The one that is run mostly by representatives from the pet food industry? |
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