A sad movie of a cat trying to revive his friend run over by a car

http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:37:09 +1000, Netmask
wrote:



http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

That is heartbreaking


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Suddenly, without warning, Netmask exclaimed (7/16/2010 8:37 PM):


http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

And they say animals can't grieve, and don't understand death. How is
what this cat is doing any different than any human crying and holding a
deceased friend and crying, "Don't leave me!"?

As Gandalf said, heartbreaking.

jmc

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Suddenly, without warning, Netmask exclaimed (7/16/2010 8:37 PM):


http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

And they say animals can't grieve, and don't understand death.......

Only some religions say this.....Us atheists know better. One of our (older)
cats follows my wife around like a puppy dog. When she goes down to
California to visit her grandkids, he grieves and lives in her clothes
closet until she comes back. If she didn't make it back, I think he would
die there........

Suddenly, without warning, Bill Graham exclaimed (7/17/2010 10:15 PM):

"jmc" wrote in message
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Suddenly, without warning, Netmask exclaimed (7/16/2010 8:37 PM):


http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

And they say animals can't grieve, and don't understand death.......

Only some religions say this.....Us atheists know better. One of our
(older) cats follows my wife around like a puppy dog. When she goes down
to California to visit her grandkids, he grieves and lives in her
clothes closet until she comes back. If she didn't make it back, I think
he would die there........

Actually, my comment had nothing to do with religion at all, in fact I
don't believe this to be a subject divided along religious lines.

Meep follows me around like a puppydog as well, but over time has
realized that I always come back, and uses hubby as an alternate petting
machine when I'm gone. She bosses him around a lot more than I allow
her to do to me

jmc

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Suddenly, without warning, Bill Graham exclaimed (7/17/2010 10:15 PM):

"jmc" wrote in message
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Suddenly, without warning, Netmask exclaimed (7/16/2010 8:37 PM):


http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

And they say animals can't grieve, and don't understand death.......

Only some religions say this.....Us atheists know better. One of our
(older) cats follows my wife around like a puppy dog. When she goes down
to California to visit her grandkids, he grieves and lives in her clothes
closet until she comes back. If she didn't make it back, I think he would
die there........

Actually, my comment had nothing to do with religion at all, in fact I
don't believe this to be a subject divided along religious lines.

Meep follows me around like a puppydog as well, but over time has realized
that I always come back, and uses hubby as an alternate petting machine
when I'm gone. She bosses him around a lot more than I allow her to do to
me

jmc

Just defining what I think you mean by, "they". In my experience, the
religious set thinks only we humans have souls, and, (as a result) there are
no animals in heaven. They also tend to put animals down a lot, because
their God doesn't do much toward saving all those millions of little furry
creatures from freezing and starving to death every Winter. The atheistic
types, however, know that animals think, grieve, and feel pain, both
emotional and physical, just as we humans do, and that video shows it very
well.

On Jul 17, 8:07*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
"jmc" wrote in message

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Suddenly, without warning, Bill Graham exclaimed (7/17/2010 10:15 PM):

"jmc" wrote in message
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Suddenly, without warning, Netmask exclaimed (7/16/2010 8:37 PM):

http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

And they say animals can't grieve, and don't understand death.......

Only some religions say this.....Us atheists know better. One of our
(older) cats follows my wife around like a puppy dog. When she goes down
to California to visit her grandkids, he grieves and lives in her clothes
closet until she comes back. If she didn't make it back, I think he would
die there........

Actually, my comment had nothing to do with religion at all, in fact I
don't believe this to be a subject divided along religious lines.

Meep follows me around like a puppydog as well, but over time has realized
that I always come back, and uses hubby as an alternate petting machine
when I'm gone. *She bosses him around a lot more than I allow her to do to
me

jmc

Just defining what I think you mean by, "they". In my experience, the
religious set thinks only we humans have souls, and, (as a result) there are
no animals in heaven. They also tend to put animals down a lot, because
their God doesn't do much toward saving all those millions of little furry
creatures from freezing and starving to death every Winter. The atheistic
types, however, know that animals think, grieve, and feel pain, both
emotional and physical, just as we humans do, and that video shows it very
well.

Years ago, my mom and I were discussing this as we are Christian, but
also believe that animals go to heaven. How could it be heaven
without them?

My mom suggested that animals were never kicked out of the garden,
therefore, they do not need a way into heaven.

As for soul, I think it really depends on definition. Animals clearly
demonstrate emotions and self-awareness. They can makes friends and
enemies, do good things and bad, etc. They just have a lower level of
thinking, such as a small child who understands a limited concept of
good and bad, but can't plan for the future and predict consequences.

We have always brought home our dead animals after they have been
euthanized. Not only do we bury them at home, but we believe that the
other animals should see them and understand as best they can what
happened. When my first cat, Fiona, died, my second cat was 9 years
old. He was not the brightest cat I have had, but was very sweet, and
was definitely best buddies with Fiona. He approached her the first
time, hissed, and ran away. He returned about 15 minutes later, and
purred for a long time. That night, he slept in her spot on top of me,
and did not do it again for almost a year.

I really believe this methods helps us all, as we can all grieve
together and comfort each other. Otherwise, they may wait months
before giving up and fully grieving, and by then, the people don't
understand what the problem is.

My last loss was Kira, 4 years ago this month. She hated Chase,
because he chased her (never name your cat Chase, huge mistake). After
she died, Chase was miserable. He grieved badly for her. We never
realized how much he loved her because he was always chasing her. But
he thought it was a game, so he lost his buddy. He has since moved on
to chasing somebody else, who also does not appreciate it. But it was
very hard for him for several months as he really greived a lot for
her.

On Jul 16, 8:37*pm, Netmask wrote:
http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

No matter what kind of sloppy-sad music you try to use... and no
matter how hard you try to humanize it... the cat is simply SCENT-
MARKING the other cat. That's why cats do that with their paws. It's
because they have scent-glands there. For cats, it's all about scent-
marking! No matter how MUCH you might wish it to be otherwise. For
your political agenda, of course


Ehrin

"Aaron Eel (Ehrin)" wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 8:37 pm, Netmask wrote:
http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

No matter what kind of sloppy-sad music you try to use... and no
matter how hard you try to humanize it... the cat is simply SCENT-
MARKING the other cat. That's why cats do that with their paws. It's
because they have scent-glands there. For cats, it's all about scent-
marking! No matter how MUCH you might wish it to be otherwise. For
your political agenda, of course

I think I tend to agree. Along with cats, I also keep pet mice. Mice have
short lives and when one dies, the others, or maybe just the alpha, buries
the dead in the bedding. I don't think it is to honor the dead, but to try
to conceal the smell. Of course I will remove the dead as soon as I check
on them when I get home from work.

Cheryl wrote:
"Aaron Eel (Ehrin)" wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 8:37 pm, Netmask wrote:
http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=...a8b3f003432001

No matter what kind of sloppy-sad music you try to use... and no
matter how hard you try to humanize it... the cat is simply SCENT-
MARKING the other cat. That's why cats do that with their paws. It's
because they have scent-glands there. For cats, it's all about scent-
marking! No matter how MUCH you might wish it to be otherwise. For
your political agenda, of course

I think I tend to agree. Along with cats, I also keep pet mice. Mice
have short lives and when one dies, the others, or maybe just the alpha,
buries the dead in the bedding. I don't think it is to honor the dead,
but to try to conceal the smell. Of course I will remove the dead as
soon as I check on them when I get home from work.

I tend to disagree. Maybe the cat was not really grieving, we'll
never know, but it certainly wasn't scent-marking. What a ridiculous idea!
OT question - why do you keep mice? They're pretty dumb as pets go.
The only reason I'd keep mice (I don't) would be for living toys for the
cats.

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