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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
reilloc wrote:
On 9/9/2013 1:16 AM, Bill Graham wrote: John Doe wrote: My first critical application of upside down packaging tape was to keep my cat off of the windowsill in a cat-hostile apartment complex. Now that I'm temporarily fostering three kittens... They start chewing on a group of electrical cords in a very small area on the floor. Put two pieces of 4 inch long packaging tape among the electrical cords. Reapplied as necessary. I just love it when they start whining about having the tape stuck to them, and I get to come to their rescue It's like cat correction heaven. One half hour to one hour later, no more chewing on the electrical cords. BOOM. If you've ever seen what household current can do to tool-steel in an instant (like when you accidentally cut through it), you will freak out at the thought of your cats accidentally chewing through an electrical cord. It just can't happen. It helps to put ground fault protectors on all your circuits. that way, as soon as some groung current is drawn, the breaker trips and the cat probably won't feel a thing. This is especially true if your electricasl wires are swhielded by grounded woven steel cables, The cats will have to chew through those first, and then as soon as it bites into the hot wire, the ground current will trip the breaker off and it won't come back on until/unless you reset it. Most new houses have these in the bathrooms and kitchens, but there is no reason why you couldn't put them throughout your house. They are great for young pets and children who are likely to mess with the wiring. I don't like to get involved in a private fight but when the stakes are life and death, I'll say something. Bill, first you need the short for the GFI to trip and when the short's through the mouth, the damage has already been done. LNC Not entirely correct. We are talking about power here. Thqt is the time integrl of current. It takes time for the current to build up to the point where it damages your cats mouth, and thewe GFI's will open the breaker in such a short time that there iw no time for the current to put enough power into your cat's mouth. They will trip on less than 10 milliamps of ground current. Also, there will be (ideally) no large current build up unless the cat contacts both sides of the line at the same time as he creates the ground current. This will, in all probability, not happen, as soon as he touches just one side of the line, the ground current will open the breaker and without contacting both sides of the line, there will be no power draw. So, the chances of the cat feeling anything at all is very slim. Remember that these devices don't work on power drawn from one side of the line to the other. They work on the slightest bit of power being drawn to the ground shield on the cord. This means that the other end of the ground shield on the cord has to be connected to the third, "U shaped" connection on the wall socket. (There has to be some current drawn from one side of the line to ground in order for the device to work) |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:02:52 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Yes. This is an updated version of the device I saw. This one didn;t actually require that the operator touch the saw blade. the one I saw required actual contact with the blade, whqch necessitates stopping the blade in les than one tooth's travel in order to not damage the skin. And this meqns that there was some damage done to the blace by the stopping mechanism. Some? In the video I saw the blade and the whole drive mechanism were toast. The inventor admitted that was a bit of a drawback but argued it was cheaper than losing fingers. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
It's a suggestion that won't work.
Again and again and again... The electricity that's most likely to hurt your cat/kitten will flow from one wire to the other (through your cat's mouth), not through your cat into a bathtub or whatever. A device that's intended to subdue leakage (or whatever it's called) current won't stop the most likely cause of damage. -- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.bbs-scene.org!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com! Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com !nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!ne ws.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:07:45 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:07:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: 4rqdnSBYVOns7q_PnZ2dnUVZ5uadnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 57 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-FvI0X/P8NUR3kQm8uDLjEdCyqAnm3ZRBVLGBXPSqtyovKuQCSaCeexnZ SBJhv7lTq3D8Y8D1/Y55MMI!F7ch5rllqBLzEjJ5ncwWk/wV9M2FuTJYrYy2TH9NdJ8tl/MWK7sIsY+JsPylCoNuL6MZXBDworya X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4053 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11379 free.usenet:4645092 free.spirit:1114 John Doe wrote: Firstly... This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of kittens chewing on electrical cords. Secondly... Nobody in any video on YouTube intentionally sticks their hand into a saw blade. That's so ridiculous, it's funny. Even if the claim of stopping the blade in 1/8 second is true, those blades spin at 10 revolutions per 1/10 second. That means you get cut over 600 times using a 60-tooth blade. The saw stop thing should be taken to a group like (alt.home.repair) or (rec.woodworking). Currently I'm in both of those groups. Tell them about sticking your hand into a saw blade... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:47:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net V7ig75SBGTId60lVg9rrLADnvGQCGCeI/2w+JD4RPSUqSM8jSp Cancel-Lock: sha1:OAk0z2k4j41tcdK9UGOZ9qLuwuk= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11371 free.usenet:4635498 free.spirit:1109 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Hey! It was just a suggestion to keep your cats from getting their mouths blown apart. If you don't want to take it, then don't, but don't blame me for suggesting it. (and don't say that you didn't learn anything by reading my posts, either) |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
"Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote:
infodex mindspring.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Yes. This is an updated version of the device I saw. This one didn;t actually require that the operator touch the saw blade. the one I saw required actual contact with the blade, whqch necessitates stopping the blade in les than one tooth's travel in order to not damage the skin. And this meqns that there was some damage done to the blace How long have you been visiting Earth? A table saw blade rotates at about 5000 RPM. That's about 83 revolutions per second. That idea is so very silly... Please post your silliness to either the home repair group or the woodworking group. It will be good for a laugh. -- Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giga news.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:02:53 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com In-Reply-To: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: VrKdncQr35XQ76_PnZ2dnUVZ5tSdnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 25 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-nWedD4+Lhnpyv6n0kmoWWqbj0/XI5jtARNbdp+416HOiX+XphP0U8pMRtzvzHm90dDzRJ+3yOOWF epO!8N+1JK5nfUbQlzcNzXjkFS1f3R5noR18iE7fRooMKKe5UK +AHQvMSzY5iQMWl6sSbTPsgF51Uhjy X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2904 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11377 free.usenet:4645090 free.spirit:1113 |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
I highly recommend not taking this silly person's advice
on anything you don't already know... -- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.gi ganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giga news.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganew s.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:50:21 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:50:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: SLOdnaBxLfXA8q_PnZ2dnUVZ5jWdnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 52 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Hjj3B3Zf1qx3zjGa38R6K6xWuDbXbuexp4BODsh2nU0ZwtiHAa whv56Inwd7G6jtpho/qTrhW/4HwES!HPdXSD1/luZahIpPBm00N8VAW25jbmVUTRHMrtjwZgEgGAX+gWlDpCkWUj 1Z/t5zE/mseFxaJoQh X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4044 X-Received-Bytes: 4185 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11376 free.usenet:4645087 free.spirit:1112 John Doe wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:44:14 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sIctFERd0MvkmEDUhyMkBQq1qcKnOWMxG2WxyCbk0HdkD5lQlO Cancel-Lock: sha1:YKOvFr1qeu1j82ye1XRT7FJnn30= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11369 free.usenet:4635455 free.spirit:1106 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely nave. FWIW, I've seen video demonstrations several times over the past few years, though to be fair the tests are conducted with raw hot dogs and not human fingers. Don't ask me to explain the electronics of it. The saw blade is isolated from ground. The operator is not. When the operator touches the saw blade some ground current is drawn. Even if a very small amount of this current is detected, it is amplified and used to open the breaker to the saw, and energise the device that stops the blade. This happens so fast that the blade is stopped in less than 1/10 of a tooth distance, so the operator's fingers aren't harmed. But the main point of this discuwsion concerned opening the breaker so fast thqt the cat (or chilod) isn't harmed. this part is easy compared with mechanically stopping the saw blade. These GFI's really work well, and are very useful. The breaker opens so fast that you don't even feel any slight shock. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
I'm more than happy to discuss this in an electronics group
or in a shop group that uses saws. This thing is incredibly full of it. Trying to explain why is pointless, here. -- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giga news.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:41:25 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com In-Reply-To: dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:41:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: IOWdnZbgT-fY8K_PnZ2dnUVZ5sednZ2d giganews.com Lines: 28 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-S5WmBJnJ84rCxz2VN0sfpVp8tJtQh1T1B53v5UW0V9HV21Lnfr zWzTfjcOGOs5x5RzoN2Ps6v8UyDwf!Z9kShjWnKQzL2mVunVDQ 4YzER+zWa9HRQO5xLaQYX35Je4AWMvuLTftYw6FZWr6fAhmg5E PJ60My X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3154 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11375 free.usenet:4645085 free.spirit:1111 infodex mindspring.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: If you believe that you can stick your hand into an operational table saw blade without getting cut, you are extremely na‹ve. FWIW, I've seen video demonstrations several times over the past few years, though to be fair the tests are conducted with raw hot dogs and not human fingers. Don't ask me to explain the electronics of it. Thee are two things that must be done. Remove the power from the saw blade motor, and swtop the blade. Removing the power is easy. The Ground Fault Interrupter circuitry does that. (In spite of what John Doe says) Stopping the blade is something else. They do that with a brake that pulls a stopping link into a toothed wheel that moves weith the say, or into the saw blade itself. In either case, the result is usually to damage the blade beyone repair, so when the device doesw its job, you have to replace all that stuff. (the saw blade and other stuff that you have to use to stop it.) But all that is still better than losing your fingers. I saw a demo of this on a you tube clip a while back. I'll see if I can find it. In any case, stoppoing the saw from hurting someone is harder than just stopping the current into a cat's or chilkds mouth. These GFI's can do that handily. But they work on ground current and not the main current that drives the device, so there must be a ground circuit for them to sense the current in, or they won't work. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
A lying sack of ****...
-- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.gi ganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giga news.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganew s.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:20:04 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0svaq$vsi$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0svaq$vsi$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:20:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: nKudnd7R3P_J66_PnZ2dnUVZ5sCdnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 55 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-D9hBNKwvo66sXPwhC8/Cz7TPoeCDVL6uCm6tMpayo6oEtAiIfkpMVZX5jedKS8CCHRUPY ycm1n+3wMM!aT+w6UUZbgu3Sm4NHVmsa8Z890z/EggX9mZUyS4wPshQzGWaWp3b/1jEYxzf3Oc52O4s0oAh5sqH X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4589 X-Received-Bytes: 4730 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11380 reilloc wrote: On 9/9/2013 1:16 AM, Bill Graham wrote: John Doe wrote: My first critical application of upside down packaging tape was to keep my cat off of the windowsill in a cat-hostile apartment complex. Now that I'm temporarily fostering three kittens... They start chewing on a group of electrical cords in a very small area on the floor. Put two pieces of 4 inch long packaging tape among the electrical cords. Reapplied as necessary. I just love it when they start whining about having the tape stuck to them, and I get to come to their rescue It's like cat correction heaven. One half hour to one hour later, no more chewing on the electrical cords. BOOM. If you've ever seen what household current can do to tool-steel in an instant (like when you accidentally cut through it), you will freak out at the thought of your cats accidentally chewing through an electrical cord. It just can't happen. It helps to put ground fault protectors on all your circuits. that way, as soon as some groung current is drawn, the breaker trips and the cat probably won't feel a thing. This is especially true if your electricasl wires are swhielded by grounded woven steel cables, The cats will have to chew through those first, and then as soon as it bites into the hot wire, the ground current will trip the breaker off and it won't come back on until/unless you reset it. Most new houses have these in the bathrooms and kitchens, but there is no reason why you couldn't put them throughout your house. They are great for young pets and children who are likely to mess with the wiring. I don't like to get involved in a private fight but when the stakes are life and death, I'll say something. Bill, first you need the short for the GFI to trip and when the short's through the mouth, the damage has already been done. LNC Not entirely correct. We are talking about power here. Thqt is the time integrl of current. It takes time for the current to build up to the point where it damages your cats mouth, and thewe GFI's will open the breaker in such a short time that there iw no time for the current to put enough power into your cat's mouth. They will trip on less than 10 milliamps of ground current. Also, there will be (ideally) no large current build up unless the cat contacts both sides of the line at the same time as he creates the ground current. This will, in all probability, not happen, as soon as he touches just one side of the line, the ground current will open the breaker and without contacting both sides of the line, there will be no power draw. So, the chances of the cat feeling anything at all is very slim. Remember that these devices don't work on power drawn from one side of the line to the other. They work on the slightest bit of power being drawn to the ground shield on the cord. This means that the other end of the ground shield on the cord has to be connected to the third, "U shaped" connection on the wall socket. (There has to be some current drawn from one side of the line to ground in order for the device to work) |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
John Doe wrote:
It's a suggestion that won't work. Again and again and again... The electricity that's most likely to hurt your cat/kitten will flow from one wire to the other (through your cat's mouth), not through your cat into a bathtub or whatever. A device that's intended to subdue leakage (or whatever it's called) current won't stop the most likely cause of damage. Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.bbs-scene.org!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com! Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com !nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!ne ws.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:07:45 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:07:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: 4rqdnSBYVOns7q_PnZ2dnUVZ5uadnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 57 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-FvI0X/P8NUR3kQm8uDLjEdCyqAnm3ZRBVLGBXPSqtyovKuQCSaCeexnZ SBJhv7lTq3D8Y8D1/Y55MMI!F7ch5rllqBLzEjJ5ncwWk/wV9M2FuTJYrYy2TH9NdJ8tl/MWK7sIsY+JsPylCoNuL6MZXBDworya X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4053 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11379 free.usenet:4645092 free.spirit:1114 John Doe wrote: Firstly... This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of kittens chewing on electrical cords. Secondly... Nobody in any video on YouTube intentionally sticks their hand into a saw blade. That's so ridiculous, it's funny. Even if the claim of stopping the blade in 1/8 second is true, those blades spin at 10 revolutions per 1/10 second. That means you get cut over 600 times using a 60-tooth blade. The saw stop thing should be taken to a group like (alt.home.repair) or (rec.woodworking). Currently I'm in both of those groups. Tell them about sticking your hand into a saw blade... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:47:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net V7ig75SBGTId60lVg9rrLADnvGQCGCeI/2w+JD4RPSUqSM8jSp Cancel-Lock: sha1:OAk0z2k4j41tcdK9UGOZ9qLuwuk= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11371 free.usenet:4635498 free.spirit:1109 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Hey! It was just a suggestion to keep your cats from getting their mouths blown apart. If you don't want to take it, then don't, but don't blame me for suggesting it. (and don't say that you didn't learn anything by reading my posts, either) Again and again and again. The ground current leakage pullsd the breaker before the cast gets down to the two wires that carry the big current. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother to put these devices on all the bathrooms built in the last thirty years or so. (big current hurts people too....) I have explained this enough times to you. This is my last post on the subject. Not all cast owners are (apparently) at all knowledgeable about simple electrics or building codes. If you don;t believe in the device, well, then don't buy it. But don't tell me that it doesn't work. - I know better. |
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Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords
Except for saving face, I have no idea why this thing is spewing
bull**** about such an important issue to cat managers. -- "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giga news.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:59:22 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me 4rqdnSBYVOns7q_PnZ2dnUVZ5uadnZ2d giganews.com l0u3j9$ela$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0u3j9$ela$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:59:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: Yu-dnduAqbkXv6jPnZ2dnUVZ5rGdnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 121 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-g4Sm21l3cPkyf8lYfKGs1XCRsF7O9Ue3aN5bfF3C/lNgh5hRAUKLppg6lpQO66MdjsmiG5cr5v+am0X!yaAXH4U9bIK LGXu01pU7a5Q/9RMJPu6yCPdcZWJHHCVn5tucnZYJ/rNnuCHdxrkBMH+Rbms6JW5i X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 7457 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11388 free.usenet:4657385 free.spirit:1122 John Doe wrote: It's a suggestion that won't work. Again and again and again... The electricity that's most likely to hurt your cat/kitten will flow from one wire to the other (through your cat's mouth), not through your cat into a bathtub or whatever. A device that's intended to subdue leakage (or whatever it's called) current won't stop the most likely cause of damage. Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.bbs-scene.org!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com! Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com !nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!ne ws.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:07:45 -0500 From: "Bill Graham" weg9 comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me In-Reply-To: l0p566$ivj$1 dont-email.me Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:07:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Message-ID: 4rqdnSBYVOns7q_PnZ2dnUVZ5uadnZ2d giganews.com Lines: 57 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-FvI0X/P8NUR3kQm8uDLjEdCyqAnm3ZRBVLGBXPSqtyovKuQCSaCeexnZ SBJhv7lTq3D8Y8D1/Y55MMI!F7ch5rllqBLzEjJ5ncwWk/wV9M2FuTJYrYy2TH9NdJ8tl/MWK7sIsY+JsPylCoNuL6MZXBDworya X-Complaints-To: abuse giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4053 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11379 free.usenet:4645092 free.spirit:1114 John Doe wrote: Firstly... This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of kittens chewing on electrical cords. Secondly... Nobody in any video on YouTube intentionally sticks their hand into a saw blade. That's so ridiculous, it's funny. Even if the claim of stopping the blade in 1/8 second is true, those blades spin at 10 revolutions per 1/10 second. That means you get cut over 600 times using a 60-tooth blade. The saw stop thing should be taken to a group like (alt.home.repair) or (rec.woodworking). Currently I'm in both of those groups. Tell them about sticking your hand into a saw blade... Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!f u-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: infodex mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Upside down packaging tape, no more chewing on electrical cords Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:47:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: 5etv29lubokjng16285jgcrafmg2sqp263 4ax.com References: l0gefc$1qk$1 dont-email.me 6pSdndi6JOtY-rDPnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d giganews.com l0l8uh$umo$1 dont-email.me rsydnaMEz_pwN7PPnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d giganews.com l0nd6l$80v$2 dont-email.me 8uGdnTquqsr7TLLPnZ2dnUVZ5vydnZ2d giganews.com l0omha$o4h$1 dont-email.me dkpv291cq7qps1ft4mdjiga1ccg2kt90vr 4ax.com l0opoe$4g7$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net V7ig75SBGTId60lVg9rrLADnvGQCGCeI/2w+JD4RPSUqSM8jSp Cancel-Lock: sha1:OAk0z2k4j41tcdK9UGOZ9qLuwuk= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: news.eternal-september.org rec.pets.cats.health+behav:11371 free.usenet:4635498 free.spirit:1109 On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:58:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Full of **** up to its eyebrows... See for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltFuEKCnM4 Hey! It was just a suggestion to keep your cats from getting their mouths blown apart. If you don't want to take it, then don't, but don't blame me for suggesting it. (and don't say that you didn't learn anything by reading my posts, either) Again and again and again. The ground current leakage pullsd the breaker before the cast gets down to the two wires that carry the big current. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother to put these devices on all the bathrooms built in the last thirty years or so. (big current hurts people too....) I have explained this enough times to you. This is my last post on the subject. Not all cast owners are (apparently) at all knowledgeable about simple electrics or building codes. If you don;t believe in the device, well, then don't buy it. But don't tell me that it doesn't work. - I know better. |
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