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Cheryl,
No one is disputing Megan's' knowledge of cats. It's the way in which she disrespectfully disagrees with others opinions. There are ways that one can respectfully disagree, and offer advice on the topic. |
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Cheryl,
No one is disputing Megan's' knowledge of cats. It's the way in which she disrespectfully disagrees with others opinions. There are ways that one can respectfully disagree, and offer advice on the topic. |
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Iso wrote:
Yea, Megan is back! Um...I never left. Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. But what you fail to do is take into account the experiences and personalities of the cats involved. That can completely change the outcome of a situation and can make things worse, not better, if not taken into consideration when devising a plan. There are also general principles that apply when dealing with behavior issues and one of the first rules is to *always* proceed in a way that inflicts the *least* amount of stress on the cats involved. You seem to regularly ignore the above, which is why I have a problem with the "advice" you dispense. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, Age has nothing to do with it and experience is far more important. I've posted before about that and don't feel a need to revisit it here. your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. But are you capable of learning from it and applying it in a way that will benefit cats? I don't know why you dissected my previous post. I made it very clear why I did so. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Since that scenario has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation it has no bearing. Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Differ from what? I have never said the new cat would or should tolerate being jumped on and am totally against that being allowed to happen. IMO, the OP made a very poor choice in adopting this cat and failed to take into account her current cat's personality and habits, which are definitely NOT compatible with the much smaller size, personality and previous experience of the new cat. A better match would have been a mellow male a bit larger than her current cat that had experience living in a multi cat household. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. Yes, but you were not clear about that and that was a mistake. Also, issues between the cats can be minimized if one is careful and takes time to slowly introduce, then integrate the cats. Allowing the cats to just "go at it" does nothing to positively promote a good relationship between cats being introduced to one another, and often will ruin any chance of a good outcome. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. Yes, but that also means taking time and great care to minimize any stress and forsee problems and address them before chaos ensues. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. That is the goal. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I get touchy when people post bad advice that creates unnecessary stress and trauma for cats. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. Not by allowing the cats to "go at it." But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes. You're welcome. :-) Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Iso wrote:
Yea, Megan is back! Um...I never left. Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. But what you fail to do is take into account the experiences and personalities of the cats involved. That can completely change the outcome of a situation and can make things worse, not better, if not taken into consideration when devising a plan. There are also general principles that apply when dealing with behavior issues and one of the first rules is to *always* proceed in a way that inflicts the *least* amount of stress on the cats involved. You seem to regularly ignore the above, which is why I have a problem with the "advice" you dispense. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, Age has nothing to do with it and experience is far more important. I've posted before about that and don't feel a need to revisit it here. your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. But are you capable of learning from it and applying it in a way that will benefit cats? I don't know why you dissected my previous post. I made it very clear why I did so. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Since that scenario has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation it has no bearing. Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Differ from what? I have never said the new cat would or should tolerate being jumped on and am totally against that being allowed to happen. IMO, the OP made a very poor choice in adopting this cat and failed to take into account her current cat's personality and habits, which are definitely NOT compatible with the much smaller size, personality and previous experience of the new cat. A better match would have been a mellow male a bit larger than her current cat that had experience living in a multi cat household. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. Yes, but you were not clear about that and that was a mistake. Also, issues between the cats can be minimized if one is careful and takes time to slowly introduce, then integrate the cats. Allowing the cats to just "go at it" does nothing to positively promote a good relationship between cats being introduced to one another, and often will ruin any chance of a good outcome. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. Yes, but that also means taking time and great care to minimize any stress and forsee problems and address them before chaos ensues. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. That is the goal. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I get touchy when people post bad advice that creates unnecessary stress and trauma for cats. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. Not by allowing the cats to "go at it." But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes. You're welcome. :-) Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Iso wrote:
Yea, Megan is back! Um...I never left. Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. But what you fail to do is take into account the experiences and personalities of the cats involved. That can completely change the outcome of a situation and can make things worse, not better, if not taken into consideration when devising a plan. There are also general principles that apply when dealing with behavior issues and one of the first rules is to *always* proceed in a way that inflicts the *least* amount of stress on the cats involved. You seem to regularly ignore the above, which is why I have a problem with the "advice" you dispense. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, Age has nothing to do with it and experience is far more important. I've posted before about that and don't feel a need to revisit it here. your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. But are you capable of learning from it and applying it in a way that will benefit cats? I don't know why you dissected my previous post. I made it very clear why I did so. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Since that scenario has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation it has no bearing. Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Differ from what? I have never said the new cat would or should tolerate being jumped on and am totally against that being allowed to happen. IMO, the OP made a very poor choice in adopting this cat and failed to take into account her current cat's personality and habits, which are definitely NOT compatible with the much smaller size, personality and previous experience of the new cat. A better match would have been a mellow male a bit larger than her current cat that had experience living in a multi cat household. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. Yes, but you were not clear about that and that was a mistake. Also, issues between the cats can be minimized if one is careful and takes time to slowly introduce, then integrate the cats. Allowing the cats to just "go at it" does nothing to positively promote a good relationship between cats being introduced to one another, and often will ruin any chance of a good outcome. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. Yes, but that also means taking time and great care to minimize any stress and forsee problems and address them before chaos ensues. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. That is the goal. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I get touchy when people post bad advice that creates unnecessary stress and trauma for cats. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. Not by allowing the cats to "go at it." But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes. You're welcome. :-) Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Alison,
I agree with you to an extent. As I have already said, you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a 10 year old resident alpha male. Again, the cat is *not* ten years old. It is four. The other cat is five. You keep offering advice and referring to them as elderly or middle-aged cats, and they aren't. But the point I wanted to make is, I think you are very wrong about such an abrupt introduction. Being treated for an abscess (which *is* a possibility) isn't the biggest problem. It's the stress you're putting on both cats. Sherry |
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Alison,
I agree with you to an extent. As I have already said, you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a 10 year old resident alpha male. Again, the cat is *not* ten years old. It is four. The other cat is five. You keep offering advice and referring to them as elderly or middle-aged cats, and they aren't. But the point I wanted to make is, I think you are very wrong about such an abrupt introduction. Being treated for an abscess (which *is* a possibility) isn't the biggest problem. It's the stress you're putting on both cats. Sherry |
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Alison,
I agree with you to an extent. As I have already said, you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a 10 year old resident alpha male. Again, the cat is *not* ten years old. It is four. The other cat is five. You keep offering advice and referring to them as elderly or middle-aged cats, and they aren't. But the point I wanted to make is, I think you are very wrong about such an abrupt introduction. Being treated for an abscess (which *is* a possibility) isn't the biggest problem. It's the stress you're putting on both cats. Sherry |
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Sherry,
The point I am stressing is that I believe this is a wrong move on the posters behalf. If she had more living space, this territory problem may rarely occur. Needless to say, the fighting will be inevitable. My opinion, it was a bad move on the originals posters part for trying to force another relationship. What I post as advice is my personal experience with cats; it' s not for everyone. I have always introduced a new cat bluntly, without any problems. Yeah, there have been fights, but the majority of the time the cats end up staring each other down and hissing, once they know there isn't anywhere to retreat. The slow introduction doesn't always work out the way it should. |
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Sherry,
The point I am stressing is that I believe this is a wrong move on the posters behalf. If she had more living space, this territory problem may rarely occur. Needless to say, the fighting will be inevitable. My opinion, it was a bad move on the originals posters part for trying to force another relationship. What I post as advice is my personal experience with cats; it' s not for everyone. I have always introduced a new cat bluntly, without any problems. Yeah, there have been fights, but the majority of the time the cats end up staring each other down and hissing, once they know there isn't anywhere to retreat. The slow introduction doesn't always work out the way it should. |
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