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"Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... Wendy wrote in message ... "Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!! I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What kind of human are you!?!? Just throw the damn thing outside. CATS LIKE TO BE OUTSIDE!!!!!!! not touching the inside outside debate with a 10 ft pole Are you suggesting this cat be left out 24/7? Cats prefer the outdoors. Humans prefer the indoors. Cats are not human. If not why do you thing putting the cat outside will stop the peeing when she's inside? Putting a cat outside will STOP a cat from Peeing INSIDE. W OK then you are suggesting putting the cat outside all day, every day. Just wanted to make sure I understood exactly what you were suggesting. I can't say I can agree with your blanket cats prefer outside statement. Just like people I'm sure they prefer inside in the rain, snow, cold weather, when being picked on etc. If a cat has always been inside they find being outside very stressful. W |
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:15:35 UTC, "Wendy" wrote:
"Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... Wendy wrote in message ... "Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!! I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What kind of human are you!?!? OK then you are suggesting putting the cat outside all day, every day. Just wanted to make sure I understood exactly what you were suggesting. I can't say I can agree with your blanket cats prefer outside statement. Just like people I'm sure they prefer inside in the rain, snow, cold weather, when being picked on etc. If a cat has always been inside they find being outside very stressful. W Right now, putting her outside seems to be the best thing. Then you can keep her but not have to put up with the peeing. Build/buy an enclosure for her -- outside cats end up not peeing at all because they get hit by cars, or killed by dogs or poison. So keep her in some kind of enclosure. Something simple with chicken wire and a cat tree and covered box inside. LT -- |
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:15:35 UTC, "Wendy" wrote:
"Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... Wendy wrote in message ... "Electric Nachos" buenos.dias@mother.****er wrote in message ... What a horrible suggestion! Accordingly, perhaps your parents should have killed you upon discovery of one of your flaws!!! I think cats are about the dumbest creatures on this planet - but I would never KILL them just because they won't go pee-pee in the cat-pot! What kind of human are you!?!? OK then you are suggesting putting the cat outside all day, every day. Just wanted to make sure I understood exactly what you were suggesting. I can't say I can agree with your blanket cats prefer outside statement. Just like people I'm sure they prefer inside in the rain, snow, cold weather, when being picked on etc. If a cat has always been inside they find being outside very stressful. W Right now, putting her outside seems to be the best thing. Then you can keep her but not have to put up with the peeing. Build/buy an enclosure for her -- outside cats end up not peeing at all because they get hit by cars, or killed by dogs or poison. So keep her in some kind of enclosure. Something simple with chicken wire and a cat tree and covered box inside. LT -- |
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In NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51, "Phil"
wrote: | Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The | breeder did not make much of it [...] We tried working with | the cat for a year and a half. So, why isn't the breeder taking the cat back? |
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In NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51, "Phil"
wrote: | Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The | breeder did not make much of it [...] We tried working with | the cat for a year and a half. So, why isn't the breeder taking the cat back? |
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The breeder can't because there is longer any room for it. - Phil
"Arjun Ray" wrote in message ... In NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51, "Phil" wrote: | Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The | breeder did not make much of it [...] We tried working with | the cat for a year and a half. So, why isn't the breeder taking the cat back? |
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The breeder can't because there is longer any room for it. - Phil
"Arjun Ray" wrote in message ... In NvIEc.6272$7t3.4056@attbi_s51, "Phil" wrote: | Yes, we knew she had urinated in inappropriate places. The | breeder did not make much of it [...] We tried working with | the cat for a year and a half. So, why isn't the breeder taking the cat back? |
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I responded to you inadvertently by private e-mail, and offered my apology
for that. It would serve little purpose to repeat those private e-mail dialogues here. Suffice to say we each feel the other is 100% wrong and no amount of postings will ever change that. I had indicated we are done and you wished your response would be the last e-mail. This is the end. - Phil "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:PGVEc.36973$rh.34271@okepread02... You proved exactly my point. You care more for property than the cat. Things can be replaced, a life can't. Besides didn't you state earlier that you adopted the cat knowing the problem? How can you take in a special needs cat the one minute and then get rid of them the next? That is a pretty cold thing to do. You also adopted from a breeder instead of giving a cat in a shelter awaiting adoption a good home. Buy adopting from a breeder you do nothing to help in the overpopulation problem. As for the 17 year old rescue, it is funny you mention that when someone is bold enough to say they are against you tossing a cat out like a beer can. You also now state that you might get another cat and if they too are a problem will re-home them. How can you be so cold? People like yourself should not adopt an animal unless you are willing to give them love and care for the rest of their life. Having a cat is a lifelong responsibility not some part-time one where if a problem happens the cat goes. You say my posts do nothing to help the cat but it does. It ensures that there are people willing to take a stand against those irresponsible humans who feel the cat is disposable when the problem can be easily solved. You mention how important your stuff is ratgher than how important the cat is. You say that if I cared about the cat that I should come up with something useful to say. Well I have but you just aren't listening. I first said get the cat to a vet and have this looked into but post after post you said they couldn't find a problem or that you have no idea what it is. You then started to complain about how your stuff is being ruined or how much it costs. That does nothing more than say "I care more about the money and my stuff than the cat." I see people like you every day who drop cats off at the shelter or re-home a cat because they discover they can't handle the responsibility. Every one of them has an excuse like they are moving, new baby, my SO or I am is allergic, and any other weak reason for doing what they do. Too many humans are using shelters as drop-off points and they are filled to capacity because of the ever increasing overpopulation problem and also because some humans feel that when a problem happens they'd rather end their responsibility. I feel bad for the many cats that end up in shelters. Sure you didn't dump the cat out in the street but you also are making excuses by adding to the overpopulation problem and sending a message to many that it is ok to get rid of the cat if any problem arises. I hope you will not adopt another cat that needs a good and loving home unless you are fully prepared to take on the responsibility for not just part of the animals life but their entire lifetime. As for your theory of my kind of message making people mad or resulting in dumping of the cat, that is pretty week. Before I even posted you made the decision to get rid of the cat. What kind of message do you think you are sending? At least when I have adopted a cat I did not dump them as soon as a problem has arisen. If anything my message says that every cat deserves a good and loving home and that adopting one takes great responsibility and care. If you are unprepared for the responsibility then don't adopt so you can ensure that cat has a long and happy life with a human who will take on that lifelong task. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Phil" wrote in message news:XTOEc.6098$wY5.3090@attbi_s54... Well, I figured a response like this would come along sooner or later. If you read three of my other responses in this thread you would not have to wonder if we had the problem looked into by a vet. We have. I never said the cat is "disposable". Do I care more about my property than the cat? Well, there is a balance! I expect and tolerate occasional mistakes and/or damage from a pet. But, no sane person is going to tolerate $1500 mattresses, $1000 couches, etc. being destroyed by a cat, on a regular basis. Sure, it can be cleaned (sometimes), or replaced, but there is no way I am willing to spend that kind of money, CONSTANTLY, to keep a cat. Nor am I willing to have guests over and have their belongings urinated on. It may be worth it to you, and maybe you can even afford to do that, but personally, I think that's nuts. Moreover, I am not obligated to adhere to your standards, so quit trying to apply them to me. Treat a cat like a beer can? You know precious little about how I treat a cat. You don't know that the last cat we had was also a rescue kitten, that we kept her for 17 years and euthanised after she was falling apart due to old age, and suffering. Our other cat was a also a rescue kitten who found another home. I, and my wife love animals, with both of us rescuing everything from a spider in the house, to rattlesnakes and other snakes on the road, to lost kittens and dogs, and injured birds. With all due respect, you are clueless on how I treat animals or this cat, so cut the judgment crap. Yes, it is a life we are talking about, and I am doing all that I can to ensure the cat gets the best life possible. I could take the most expedient solution and just drop her off at the ASPCA. But, I am not doing that. If your standards for "life" are so high, do you care about the snakes I rescue, or do you even blink an eye when you see one hit or run over on the road? A squirrel? Deer? Your equating of human child with a cat is course, laughably absurd. If that were at all sensible, then I guess I ought to be telling my daughter, "sorry can't pay for the college tuition because we have some expensive ongoing vet bills to pay". Ridiculous. I expect reasonable vet bills, but there is a limit. You have yours (maybe), I have mine. We might get another cat. Or some other pet. If it is a problem, we will have to find a better life for it. Period. Of course, we always look for a pet that appears to be a good fit for our home. Dumping on the street or shelter? Gee whiz, I AM here on this board, trying to find a good home. If I was inclined to do as you suggest, why am I here? Trust me, this cat has gotten very good care. Again, you have zero idea of the care we have given, so your assertions are baseless. But, if you are so certain my level of care is poor, and that destruction of property is tolerable, then you won't have any problem taking the cat will you? .....I thought so... Your kind of response does absolutely NOTHING to help the cat, which I would expect is what you want. Your energies are directed at trying to assail people who don't fit with your "cat on a pedestal" mentality. If you really cared about the cat, you would come up with something useful to say. You should know this is the second time I have visited cat forums for help, and both times, I get your kind of drivel. Fortunately, some of the other posters have posted helpful information, a feature sorely missing in your rant. If nothing else, remember this. I came here for some help. Your kind of response just turns people away or ticks them off, which may mean they will do the very thing you abhor. Dump on the street, shelter, or euthanize. How well does that sit with you? - Phil "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:j%NEc.33138$rh.13536@okepread02... I have to wonder if you even went to a vet to have this problem looked into. I think it is terrible you think this cat is disposable. I hope this cat gets a good home because you obviously care more about your property (which can be cleaned or replaced) than this cat. Why is it that people like yourself treat this cat like a beer can? This is a life we are talking about. Would you get rid of a human child if they had a medical issue? Though some might applaud that you are wanting to see this cat in a good home, I have to wonder if you'll get another cat that you'll end up dumping into a shelter or on the street because you chose not to handle your lifelong responsibility. This cat deserves better and I hope she gets a good and loving home because obviously her humans do not care enough to give her the very best care. If you decide to keep her then a vet can possibly find the problem if it is medical. It might be easily solved or it may be stress that is causing it. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Phil" wrote in message news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52... We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must get out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese rescue group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help. The cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she must be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room and gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet says she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she always does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter, electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress. Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things, within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once every few weeks. We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I just want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back Dalmatian, but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could care less about the cat. If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area. Thanks, - Phil |
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I responded to you inadvertently by private e-mail, and offered my apology
for that. It would serve little purpose to repeat those private e-mail dialogues here. Suffice to say we each feel the other is 100% wrong and no amount of postings will ever change that. I had indicated we are done and you wished your response would be the last e-mail. This is the end. - Phil "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:PGVEc.36973$rh.34271@okepread02... You proved exactly my point. You care more for property than the cat. Things can be replaced, a life can't. Besides didn't you state earlier that you adopted the cat knowing the problem? How can you take in a special needs cat the one minute and then get rid of them the next? That is a pretty cold thing to do. You also adopted from a breeder instead of giving a cat in a shelter awaiting adoption a good home. Buy adopting from a breeder you do nothing to help in the overpopulation problem. As for the 17 year old rescue, it is funny you mention that when someone is bold enough to say they are against you tossing a cat out like a beer can. You also now state that you might get another cat and if they too are a problem will re-home them. How can you be so cold? People like yourself should not adopt an animal unless you are willing to give them love and care for the rest of their life. Having a cat is a lifelong responsibility not some part-time one where if a problem happens the cat goes. You say my posts do nothing to help the cat but it does. It ensures that there are people willing to take a stand against those irresponsible humans who feel the cat is disposable when the problem can be easily solved. You mention how important your stuff is ratgher than how important the cat is. You say that if I cared about the cat that I should come up with something useful to say. Well I have but you just aren't listening. I first said get the cat to a vet and have this looked into but post after post you said they couldn't find a problem or that you have no idea what it is. You then started to complain about how your stuff is being ruined or how much it costs. That does nothing more than say "I care more about the money and my stuff than the cat." I see people like you every day who drop cats off at the shelter or re-home a cat because they discover they can't handle the responsibility. Every one of them has an excuse like they are moving, new baby, my SO or I am is allergic, and any other weak reason for doing what they do. Too many humans are using shelters as drop-off points and they are filled to capacity because of the ever increasing overpopulation problem and also because some humans feel that when a problem happens they'd rather end their responsibility. I feel bad for the many cats that end up in shelters. Sure you didn't dump the cat out in the street but you also are making excuses by adding to the overpopulation problem and sending a message to many that it is ok to get rid of the cat if any problem arises. I hope you will not adopt another cat that needs a good and loving home unless you are fully prepared to take on the responsibility for not just part of the animals life but their entire lifetime. As for your theory of my kind of message making people mad or resulting in dumping of the cat, that is pretty week. Before I even posted you made the decision to get rid of the cat. What kind of message do you think you are sending? At least when I have adopted a cat I did not dump them as soon as a problem has arisen. If anything my message says that every cat deserves a good and loving home and that adopting one takes great responsibility and care. If you are unprepared for the responsibility then don't adopt so you can ensure that cat has a long and happy life with a human who will take on that lifelong task. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Phil" wrote in message news:XTOEc.6098$wY5.3090@attbi_s54... Well, I figured a response like this would come along sooner or later. If you read three of my other responses in this thread you would not have to wonder if we had the problem looked into by a vet. We have. I never said the cat is "disposable". Do I care more about my property than the cat? Well, there is a balance! I expect and tolerate occasional mistakes and/or damage from a pet. But, no sane person is going to tolerate $1500 mattresses, $1000 couches, etc. being destroyed by a cat, on a regular basis. Sure, it can be cleaned (sometimes), or replaced, but there is no way I am willing to spend that kind of money, CONSTANTLY, to keep a cat. Nor am I willing to have guests over and have their belongings urinated on. It may be worth it to you, and maybe you can even afford to do that, but personally, I think that's nuts. Moreover, I am not obligated to adhere to your standards, so quit trying to apply them to me. Treat a cat like a beer can? You know precious little about how I treat a cat. You don't know that the last cat we had was also a rescue kitten, that we kept her for 17 years and euthanised after she was falling apart due to old age, and suffering. Our other cat was a also a rescue kitten who found another home. I, and my wife love animals, with both of us rescuing everything from a spider in the house, to rattlesnakes and other snakes on the road, to lost kittens and dogs, and injured birds. With all due respect, you are clueless on how I treat animals or this cat, so cut the judgment crap. Yes, it is a life we are talking about, and I am doing all that I can to ensure the cat gets the best life possible. I could take the most expedient solution and just drop her off at the ASPCA. But, I am not doing that. If your standards for "life" are so high, do you care about the snakes I rescue, or do you even blink an eye when you see one hit or run over on the road? A squirrel? Deer? Your equating of human child with a cat is course, laughably absurd. If that were at all sensible, then I guess I ought to be telling my daughter, "sorry can't pay for the college tuition because we have some expensive ongoing vet bills to pay". Ridiculous. I expect reasonable vet bills, but there is a limit. You have yours (maybe), I have mine. We might get another cat. Or some other pet. If it is a problem, we will have to find a better life for it. Period. Of course, we always look for a pet that appears to be a good fit for our home. Dumping on the street or shelter? Gee whiz, I AM here on this board, trying to find a good home. If I was inclined to do as you suggest, why am I here? Trust me, this cat has gotten very good care. Again, you have zero idea of the care we have given, so your assertions are baseless. But, if you are so certain my level of care is poor, and that destruction of property is tolerable, then you won't have any problem taking the cat will you? .....I thought so... Your kind of response does absolutely NOTHING to help the cat, which I would expect is what you want. Your energies are directed at trying to assail people who don't fit with your "cat on a pedestal" mentality. If you really cared about the cat, you would come up with something useful to say. You should know this is the second time I have visited cat forums for help, and both times, I get your kind of drivel. Fortunately, some of the other posters have posted helpful information, a feature sorely missing in your rant. If nothing else, remember this. I came here for some help. Your kind of response just turns people away or ticks them off, which may mean they will do the very thing you abhor. Dump on the street, shelter, or euthanize. How well does that sit with you? - Phil "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:j%NEc.33138$rh.13536@okepread02... I have to wonder if you even went to a vet to have this problem looked into. I think it is terrible you think this cat is disposable. I hope this cat gets a good home because you obviously care more about your property (which can be cleaned or replaced) than this cat. Why is it that people like yourself treat this cat like a beer can? This is a life we are talking about. Would you get rid of a human child if they had a medical issue? Though some might applaud that you are wanting to see this cat in a good home, I have to wonder if you'll get another cat that you'll end up dumping into a shelter or on the street because you chose not to handle your lifelong responsibility. This cat deserves better and I hope she gets a good and loving home because obviously her humans do not care enough to give her the very best care. If you decide to keep her then a vet can possibly find the problem if it is medical. It might be easily solved or it may be stress that is causing it. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Phil" wrote in message news:dAkEc.478$Oq2.124@attbi_s52... We have a Tonkinese female, about 6 years old, that we absolutely must get out of the house. We want her to have a good home, but the Tonkinese rescue group has not been responsive, despite repeated efforts for their help. The cat must go. She urinates huge amounts of urine periodically, so she must be confined where she can not destroy property. She is housed in a room and gets attention, but she can not be a member of this household. The vet says she is healthy. This last time, the cat jumped on our bed like she always does, ambled over to us as my wife and I lay under the covers, and as she walked across the bed, unloaded a 2 foot long mass of urine, spreading to half a foot wide, and in a manner of minutes, soaked through a comforter, electric blanket, two sheets, and partially into a brand new mattress. Luckily, I saved the mattress. The cat will do these kinds of things, within 10 feet of perfectly clean cat box. She will do it if people are home or not. We can not establish any pattern. Typically happens once every few weeks. We have made the decision to relinquish ownership. She has papers. I just want to make sure she has a good home, that can deal with her unusual behaviors. The cat is otherwise just fine, affectionate, playful (loves chasing laser pointer dot, keeping away from eyes), eats well, etc.. Has all claws, but is spayed. Tolerates our 13 year old, laid back Dalmatian, but the cat is more fearful of her than she needs to be. The dog could care less about the cat. If anyone can direct me to someone who can help with rescue, I would appreciate it. We live in the San Francisco bay area. Thanks, - Phil |
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"Phil" wrote in message news:TChFc.15205$Oq2.888@attbi_s52...
The breeder can't because there is longer any room for it. - Phil That's completely unacceptable. The breeder should take this cat back, no questions asked. This is why I freaking hate cat breeders. -L. |
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