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"Tristan Miller" wrote in message My grandparents' cat is indoor only, and to me it doesn't seem any more or less happy than any outdoor cat I've come across. I know for a fact it's more physically healthy than many outdoor cats I know, since it has no opportunity to be mauled by a stranger. Or by car/poison/fox/dog/desease/. Here is a lot of info about Indoor cats and why do it indoor way, excellent site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...2/indoors.html I learned far too late and in the worse possible way that cats should be kept indoors, and only after my beloved QT got run over. My other 4 are now living a very happy indoor life and like yours will, go out only on a safe leash and cat harness. And even though I let them stay outside as long as they want, they usually want back in only 15 min to 1/2 hr on nicer days. They definitly prefer things I have done for them inside, like a tall cat tree, cat bedroom on top of the cupboard, cat stairs on the walls, another bad on another cupboard, delicious food, lots of toys and attention, and above all my love. Living in a flat is absolutely fine for a cat or two or three or four. Think up not just sideways Cats would live on the ceiling if they could. Check out this: http://www.thecatshouse.com/ about an amazing couple who love their 9 cats so much they have redecorated the house to suit the cats. It is so amazing what they;ve done that their book about it is regularely sold out. Check it here, there are some pic of the house as well http://www.thecatshouse.com/books/bk_01.htm or on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 Anyway, as I said, I fully intend to take the cat for walks every day provided it's willing and can learn to walk with a leash. Came across this, about training the cat to walk on leash: http://cats.about.com/library/howto/htwalkleash.htm Gee |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:18:01 -0000, "Gee" wrote:
"Tristan Miller" wrote in message My grandparents' cat is indoor only, and to me it doesn't seem any more or less happy than any outdoor cat I've come across. I know for a fact it's more physically healthy than many outdoor cats I know, since it has no opportunity to be mauled by a stranger. Or by car/poison/fox/dog/desease/. Foxes have never been known to harm a healthy cat. If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. -- Bob. You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:18:01 -0000, "Gee" wrote:
"Tristan Miller" wrote in message My grandparents' cat is indoor only, and to me it doesn't seem any more or less happy than any outdoor cat I've come across. I know for a fact it's more physically healthy than many outdoor cats I know, since it has no opportunity to be mauled by a stranger. Or by car/poison/fox/dog/desease/. Foxes have never been known to harm a healthy cat. If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. -- Bob. You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:17:04 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. Just subscribed to this group, you're like a stuck record, aren't ye? Find it quite bizarre that you would spend so much of your time trying to antagonise people. Of course cats should be free to roam, - so should dogs/budgies/hamsters/people - but there are very few places where that is possible. We have made society that way. So if you take the decision to home a cat you also take with it the responsibility of making sure its needs are met - and that means ensuring it is safe and well looked after. To call people abusers for keeping cats indoors in a stable environment is just preposterous. Jacqueline (UK) |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:17:04 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. Just subscribed to this group, you're like a stuck record, aren't ye? Find it quite bizarre that you would spend so much of your time trying to antagonise people. Of course cats should be free to roam, - so should dogs/budgies/hamsters/people - but there are very few places where that is possible. We have made society that way. So if you take the decision to home a cat you also take with it the responsibility of making sure its needs are met - and that means ensuring it is safe and well looked after. To call people abusers for keeping cats indoors in a stable environment is just preposterous. Jacqueline (UK) |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:34:26 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:17:04 +0000, Bob Brenchley. wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. Just subscribed to this group, you're like a stuck record, aren't ye? Find it quite bizarre that you would spend so much of your time trying to antagonise people. Of course cats should be free to roam, - so should dogs/budgies/hamsters/people - but there are very few places where that is possible. We have made society that way. So if you take the decision to home a cat you also take with it the responsibility of making sure its needs are met - and that means ensuring it is safe and well looked after. To call people abusers for keeping cats indoors in a stable environment is just preposterous. When you take on the responsibility of homing any pet, one of the important aspects is providing a proper environment for it. Cats need space to roam, that is part of their nature. Dogs can't be given that for human safety reasons. Hamsters are not native to the UK, but need proper housing. People, unless imprisoned for a crime, do have a large degree of freedom. Jacqueline (UK) -- Bob. Cats know what we feel. They don't always care, but they know. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:34:26 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:17:04 +0000, Bob Brenchley. wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. Just subscribed to this group, you're like a stuck record, aren't ye? Find it quite bizarre that you would spend so much of your time trying to antagonise people. Of course cats should be free to roam, - so should dogs/budgies/hamsters/people - but there are very few places where that is possible. We have made society that way. So if you take the decision to home a cat you also take with it the responsibility of making sure its needs are met - and that means ensuring it is safe and well looked after. To call people abusers for keeping cats indoors in a stable environment is just preposterous. When you take on the responsibility of homing any pet, one of the important aspects is providing a proper environment for it. Cats need space to roam, that is part of their nature. Dogs can't be given that for human safety reasons. Hamsters are not native to the UK, but need proper housing. People, unless imprisoned for a crime, do have a large degree of freedom. Jacqueline (UK) -- Bob. Cats know what we feel. They don't always care, but they know. |
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"Bob Brenchley." wrote in message Foxes have never been known to harm a healthy cat. Actually, not true. And if you don't believe me (which you will not, because you always know everything the best, and instead will call me names he he, which I will not see because I am about to killfile you again like I have in other newsgroups,) check with RSPCA. They are the ones who confirmed to me that they do get cats attacked by foxes in. So even though cats may not be fox's first preference, if they are hungry enough they'll go for it. Gee |
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"Bob Brenchley." wrote in message Foxes have never been known to harm a healthy cat. Actually, not true. And if you don't believe me (which you will not, because you always know everything the best, and instead will call me names he he, which I will not see because I am about to killfile you again like I have in other newsgroups,) check with RSPCA. They are the ones who confirmed to me that they do get cats attacked by foxes in. So even though cats may not be fox's first preference, if they are hungry enough they'll go for it. Gee |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:56:58 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:34:26 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: Of course cats should be free to roam, - so should dogs/budgies/hamsters/people - but there are very few places where that is possible. We have made society that way. So if you take the decision to home a cat you also take with it the responsibility of making sure its needs are met - and that means ensuring it is safe and well looked after. To call people abusers for keeping cats indoors in a stable environment is just preposterous. When you take on the responsibility of homing any pet, one of the important aspects is providing a proper environment for it. Cats need space to roam, that is part of their nature. It's part of every animal's 'nature' to roam, establish territory and find food but we've moved on slightly from the laws of the jungle. Cats have been domesticated and as such are provided with food, shelter and territory. They adapt to their environment, just like we adapt to the structures imposed on us. Dogs can't be given that for human safety reasons. Foxes are essentially canine but they have 'freedom to roam' and don't attack humans. You only think it's normal for dogs to be walked around on leads because that's your experience. Hamsters are not native to the UK, Nor are cats, they were introduced by the Romans. but need proper housing. In a cage? Why can't they be let out to roam? Because they might get eaten or killed? Ah, but it's their nature to forage for food! People, unless imprisoned for a crime, do have a large degree of freedom. We don't have freedom to do as we please. You can't wander onto someone's land and claim it as your own. You can't go around killing people and eating them just 'cos you're hungry. We impose rules for the sake of our civilisation - and that includes allowing animals in our care to have a healthy, fulfilled, good life. It's your opinion that cats need access to fields and roads to have that, but many millions with happy indoor cat owners would disagree, so you can't claim your opinion is any more valid than theirs. |
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