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If you have an opportunity get some Wellness and try it. That stuff
smells really good and is one of the best quality foods I've found. I also like Felidae and Innova, and Precise isn't too bad either. Solid Gold makes a tuna canned food that is great for treats but I wouldn't feed it regularly. And they all smell really good! ....all of which are "all life stage" foods which shouldn't be fed to senior cats (or adult cats, for that matter). Higher phosphorus, sodium, calcium, magnesium levels, you know! |
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Yet, high levels of salt will contribute to kidney disease, heart disease,
and FLUTD. Hopefully that would be counteracted by the increased water intake, but do you want to take that chance? No, of course not. How do I know how much salt is in the food? You'd have to call the manufacturer and ask them what the sodium levels are on a DRY MATTER BASIS. Do that with several foods and compare them. If the manufacturer doesn't know the levels, then you know to avoid that food altogether. There are a lot of cat food companies that are more concerned with selling a lot of cat food, than are concerned with feline nutrition. |
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Yet, high levels of salt will contribute to kidney disease, heart disease,
and FLUTD. Hopefully that would be counteracted by the increased water intake, but do you want to take that chance? No, of course not. How do I know how much salt is in the food? You'd have to call the manufacturer and ask them what the sodium levels are on a DRY MATTER BASIS. Do that with several foods and compare them. If the manufacturer doesn't know the levels, then you know to avoid that food altogether. There are a lot of cat food companies that are more concerned with selling a lot of cat food, than are concerned with feline nutrition. |
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Steve wrote:
snip typcal Hills rhetoric and data that does nothing to prove phosphorus *causes* renal failure Not ONE WORD you posted shows that phosphorus "causes" renal failure n healthy cats and, since I said that it would be contraindicated in cats with kidney issues, how could you disagree? And what exactly is excessive? Because Hills says it is it must be so? Where are the studies that prove what level is "excessive" in healthy cats? And while you're at it, explain how the perfect food for the cat (a mouse) is higher in phosphorus than commercial cat foods yet is the optimal diet. Show some evidence that higher phosphorus *causes* renal failure in healthy cats or STFU. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Steve wrote:
snip typcal Hills rhetoric and data that does nothing to prove phosphorus *causes* renal failure Not ONE WORD you posted shows that phosphorus "causes" renal failure n healthy cats and, since I said that it would be contraindicated in cats with kidney issues, how could you disagree? And what exactly is excessive? Because Hills says it is it must be so? Where are the studies that prove what level is "excessive" in healthy cats? And while you're at it, explain how the perfect food for the cat (a mouse) is higher in phosphorus than commercial cat foods yet is the optimal diet. Show some evidence that higher phosphorus *causes* renal failure in healthy cats or STFU. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Oh, and Kaeli,
It's best to just ignore Steve Crane and Gaubster. They both lie and post deceitful innuendo to promote their Hills agenda, and Gobby scans the newsgroup wth bated breath looking for any post that resembles a food discussion so he can jump in, post lies, spout rhetoric, attack, namecall and make accusations while expecting everyone else to do his research for him. My guess is you already know this, as do most members of this group, but it is always worthwhile to mention it for new readers that haven't figured it out yet. Megan. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Oh, and Kaeli,
It's best to just ignore Steve Crane and Gaubster. They both lie and post deceitful innuendo to promote their Hills agenda, and Gobby scans the newsgroup wth bated breath looking for any post that resembles a food discussion so he can jump in, post lies, spout rhetoric, attack, namecall and make accusations while expecting everyone else to do his research for him. My guess is you already know this, as do most members of this group, but it is always worthwhile to mention it for new readers that haven't figured it out yet. Megan. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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From: kaeli
You know, why is it the higher-quality wet looks like paste and the lower- quality wet is all full of gravy and looks almost good enough for me to eat? Well, not really, but you know what I mean. *heh* If you get the canned Wellness, you will see it doesn't have that icky cat food smell like Fancy Feast or Scie Die. It doesn't look bad either. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... Kaeli wrote: I think we're going to go with a variety of wet food in the morning and afternoon and leave them some dry overnight. If you stop leaving dry food out at night your cats will start eating all the canned you give them because they won't have been snacking all night and will have a good appetitie. It does take a little time while you're transitioning but they figure it out. Tried that. You probably didn't read the other post (it was a few days ago I think) where I was lamenting that I had to leave it for them because I was worried they would get fatty liver. They didn't eat for a whole 36 hours. I got worried. Jeffrey is fat enough that I worried about FLS with him not eating. Isis is fine. Rowan is too thin already (she's my sickly baby who has a recurring URI). I don't leave enough dry for them to get full; just enough so they do actually eat something for the day if they haven't. They scream at me in the morning for more food and chow if I give them something they like, so I figure they're hungry. Giving them some cooked chicken hearts and gizzards will accomplish this much better and won't leave a starchy goo stuck to their teeth. :-) Rowan will eat cooked beef (she loves my tacos). The other two won't eat any meat that I've tried to give them, cooked or raw. We tried beef heart, chicken heart, chicken gizzards, cooked ground beef, and cooked chicken muscle meat. They won't eat canned fish of any kind, including tuna. I have odd cats. What is your definition of good stuff? Anything they'll eat that costs more than $1 a pound dry and more then .50 a can wet. *smile* I think you mentioned SD, They hate SD, IAMS, and Innova. Here's what we've tried... Paws up for dry: Chicken Soup Cat Lovers Royal Canin Pro Plan Nutro Max Cat Nutro Natural Choice Anything that qualifies as Kitty Micky Ds (cat chow, 9-lives, etc) Paws up for wet: Most Fancy Feast flavors (no sliced) Some Friskies flavors (mostly the shredded) Some Pro Plan flavors (only kinds with no chunks) Meow Mix packets (most flavors, not the fish) Paws down for wet: 9-lives Wiskas Wellness IAMS Innova Nutro Max Cat Nutro Natural Choice -- -- ~kaeli~ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball! http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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