URGENT TO GINGER-LYN

Does anyone know Ginger-lyn's phone number or real email? I wanted to get
this to her before they do surgery on Cosmo...

Ginger-lyn, Demi had the exact same thing - it's called a hematoma - when
Sammy swatted her upside the head. My vet said they could aspirate it, but
it would come back and it would cause a cauliflower ear; or they could do
surgery and the surgery would probably cause a cauliflower ear; or we could
just leave it alone and eventually it would go away, but it would probably
cause a cauliflower ear. Since all the outcomes were the same (except that
the first two could possibly introduce an infection which could be very
bad/fatal), and since Demi is terrified of the vet, we choose to just leave
it alone and it did eventually go down (didn't ever seem to cause her pain).
And, yes, she has a cauliflower ear (but she's still gorgeous).
http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Demi21/

I'm hoping you read this before you subject Cosmo (and your pocketbook) to
surgery.

Hugs,

CatNipped



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Hugs,

CatNipped

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I just e-mailed you the e-mail addresses I've got for her.

Dan

On Apr 16, 9:56 am, Daniel Mahoney wrote:
I just e-mailed you the e-mail addresses I've got for her.

Dan

I just read your email and called Ginger-lyn right away but Cosmos is
already in surgery. She expects to hear something between 11 - 12
edt. I asked her to let us know as soon as she could but she has some
things she had to do this afternoon and may not be able to update the
group until later. She does have Merlin giving her meows and purrs -
I could hear her talking to Ginger-lyn the entire time we were
talking. Additional purrs are always welcome, however.
Julie

"GaDragonfly" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 9:56 am, Daniel Mahoney wrote:
I just e-mailed you the e-mail addresses I've got for her.

Dan

I just read your email and called Ginger-lyn right away but Cosmos is
already in surgery. She expects to hear something between 11 - 12
edt. I asked her to let us know as soon as she could but she has some
things she had to do this afternoon and may not be able to update the
group until later. She does have Merlin giving her meows and purrs -
I could hear her talking to Ginger-lyn the entire time we were
talking. Additional purrs are always welcome, however.
Julie

ARGH! Oh well, hopefully all will be well with Cosmo - but I'm really
bummed about not seeing this last night and responding. I know Ginger-lyn
is in some financial straits right now (something I can, unfortunately,
relate to) and I'd liked to have told her in time that she could have
avoided this additional expense.

Hugs,

CatNipped

On Apr 16, 8:35*am, "CatNipped" wrote:
Does anyone know Ginger-lyn's phone number or real email? *I wanted to get
this to her before they do surgery on Cosmo...

Ginger-lyn, Demi had the exact same thing - it's called a hematoma - when
Sammy swatted her upside the head. *My vet said they could aspirate it, but
it would come back and it would cause a cauliflower ear; or they could do
surgery and the surgery would probably cause a cauliflower ear; or we could
just leave it alone and eventually it would go away, but it would probably
cause a cauliflower ear. *Since all the outcomes were the same (except that
the first two could possibly introduce an infection which could be very
bad/fatal), and since Demi is terrified of the vet, we choose to just leave
it alone and it did eventually go down (didn't ever seem to cause her pain).
And, yes, she has a cauliflower ear (but she's still gorgeous).http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Demi21/

I'm hoping you read this before you subject Cosmo (and your pocketbook) to
surgery.


Just an FYI on hematomas- more often than not they must be repaired
as they cause a lot of pain/discomfort and possibly infection. I have
a cat that had a hematoma and it was quite painful for him. He was
treated (the surgery is fairly minor and is actually kind of cool) and
it was much better to take care of it than force him to deal with the
pain for a prolonged period of time. Treating it quickly also resulted
in his healed ear looking fairly normal as well, although I wouldn't
have loved him any less if he had ended up with a cauliflower ear! You
can see how the surgery looks here (it's in a dog, but the way the ear
looks with stitches is the same for cats):
http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/hema.html
I think Ginger-Lyn did the right thing to get her kitty's ear fixed.

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On Apr 16, 8:35 am, "CatNipped" wrote:
Does anyone know Ginger-lyn's phone number or real email? I wanted to get
this to her before they do surgery on Cosmo...

Ginger-lyn, Demi had the exact same thing - it's called a hematoma - when
Sammy swatted her upside the head. My vet said they could aspirate it, but
it would come back and it would cause a cauliflower ear; or they could do
surgery and the surgery would probably cause a cauliflower ear; or we
could
just leave it alone and eventually it would go away, but it would probably
cause a cauliflower ear. Since all the outcomes were the same (except that
the first two could possibly introduce an infection which could be very
bad/fatal), and since Demi is terrified of the vet, we choose to just
leave
it alone and it did eventually go down (didn't ever seem to cause her
pain).
And, yes, she has a cauliflower ear (but she's still
gorgeous).http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Demi21/

I'm hoping you read this before you subject Cosmo (and your pocketbook) to
surgery.


Just an FYI on hematomas- more often than not they must be repaired
as they cause a lot of pain/discomfort and possibly infection. I have
a cat that had a hematoma and it was quite painful for him. He was
treated (the surgery is fairly minor and is actually kind of cool) and
it was much better to take care of it than force him to deal with the
pain for a prolonged period of time. Treating it quickly also resulted
in his healed ear looking fairly normal as well, although I wouldn't
have loved him any less if he had ended up with a cauliflower ear! You
can see how the surgery looks here (it's in a dog, but the way the ear
looks with stitches is the same for cats):
http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/hema.html
I think Ginger-Lyn did the right thing to get her kitty's ear fixed.

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Yes, there is some pain - just like when you bruise yourself or get a blood
blister. However, the surgery or aspiration *can* introduce infection. I
would have no idea how an infection could be introduced if there was not
break in the skin were you to let it heal on its own. Moreover, the pain of
an incision and stitches would be, I would think, worse than the bruise-like
pain of the hematoma itself.

More to the point, Ginger-lyn is in such *dire* financial straits now that I
think the vet not giving her the same information my vet gave me is really
unethical.

Hugs,

CatNipped

On Apr 16, 1:18*pm, "CatNipped" wrote:
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On Apr 16, 8:35 am, "CatNipped" wrote:





Does anyone know Ginger-lyn's phone number or real email? I wanted to get
this to her before they do surgery on Cosmo...

Ginger-lyn, Demi had the exact same thing - it's called a hematoma - when
Sammy swatted her upside the head. My vet said they could aspirate it, but
it would come back and it would cause a cauliflower ear; or they could do
surgery and the surgery would probably cause a cauliflower ear; or we
could
just leave it alone and eventually it would go away, but it would probably
cause a cauliflower ear. Since all the outcomes were the same (except that
the first two could possibly introduce an infection which could be very
bad/fatal), and since Demi is terrified of the vet, we choose to just
leave
it alone and it did eventually go down (didn't ever seem to cause her
pain).
And, yes, she has a cauliflower ear (but she's still
gorgeous).http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Demi21/

I'm hoping you read this before you subject Cosmo (and your pocketbook) to
surgery.

Just an FYI on *hematomas- more often than not they must be repaired
as they cause a lot of pain/discomfort and possibly infection. I have
a cat that had a hematoma and it was quite painful for him. He was
treated (the surgery is fairly minor and is actually kind of cool) and
it was much better to take care of it than force him to deal with the
pain for a prolonged period of time. Treating it quickly also resulted
in his healed ear looking fairly normal as well, although I wouldn't
have loved him any less if he had ended up with a cauliflower ear! You
can see how the surgery looks here (it's in a dog, but the way the ear
looks with stitches is the same for cats):http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/hema.html
I think Ginger-Lyn did the right thing to get her kitty's ear fixed.

================================================== =====

Yes, there is some pain - just like when you bruise yourself or get a blood
blister. *However, the surgery or aspiration *can* introduce infection. *I
would have no idea how an infection could be introduced if there was not
break in the skin were you to let it heal on its own. *Moreover, the pain of
an incision and stitches would be, I would think, worse than the bruise-like
pain of the hematoma itself.

Hematoma's can elicit much more pain than that of a bruise and while
your cat may have been okay, many are not. My cat was a perfect
example and would cry even when his ear was lightly touched. It's not
right to minimize what can be a very painful condition.


More to the point, Ginger-lyn is in such *dire* financial straits now that I
think the vet not giving her the same information my vet gave me is really
unethical.


I don't think you're being fair to the vet, or to Ginger-Lyn for that
matter. From what I've read, her vet is very aware of her situation
and I've never seen her complain about her vet or their
recommendations. Since you didn't see the hematoma or witness the
exam, it is unreasonable to make a judgement as to what treatment
Ginger-Lyn's cat actually needed. I have no doubt Ginger-Lyn would
have asked the vet if there was anything they could do that was non-
surgical and I think she is also smart enough to know when her cat
really needs a necessary treatment. I give her props for getting this
taken care of, even though it was difficult for her financially.
That's the sign of a responsible, caring cat slave.

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On Apr 16, 1:18 pm, "CatNipped" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 16, 8:35 am, "CatNipped" wrote:





Does anyone know Ginger-lyn's phone number or real email? I wanted to
get
this to her before they do surgery on Cosmo...

Ginger-lyn, Demi had the exact same thing - it's called a hematoma -
when
Sammy swatted her upside the head. My vet said they could aspirate it,
but
it would come back and it would cause a cauliflower ear; or they could
do
surgery and the surgery would probably cause a cauliflower ear; or we
could
just leave it alone and eventually it would go away, but it would
probably
cause a cauliflower ear. Since all the outcomes were the same (except
that
the first two could possibly introduce an infection which could be very
bad/fatal), and since Demi is terrified of the vet, we choose to just
leave
it alone and it did eventually go down (didn't ever seem to cause her
pain).
And, yes, she has a cauliflower ear (but she's still
gorgeous).http://www.possibleplaces.com/catnipped/Demi21/

I'm hoping you read this before you subject Cosmo (and your pocketbook)
to
surgery.

Just an FYI on hematomas- more often than not they must be repaired
as they cause a lot of pain/discomfort and possibly infection. I have
a cat that had a hematoma and it was quite painful for him. He was
treated (the surgery is fairly minor and is actually kind of cool) and
it was much better to take care of it than force him to deal with the
pain for a prolonged period of time. Treating it quickly also resulted
in his healed ear looking fairly normal as well, although I wouldn't
have loved him any less if he had ended up with a cauliflower ear! You
can see how the surgery looks here (it's in a dog, but the way the ear
looks with stitches is the same for
cats):http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/hema.html
I think Ginger-Lyn did the right thing to get her kitty's ear fixed.

================================================== =====

Yes, there is some pain - just like when you bruise yourself or get a
blood
blister. However, the surgery or aspiration *can* introduce infection. I
would have no idea how an infection could be introduced if there was not
break in the skin were you to let it heal on its own. Moreover, the pain
of
an incision and stitches would be, I would think, worse than the
bruise-like
pain of the hematoma itself.

Hematoma's can elicit much more pain than that of a bruise and while
your cat may have been okay, many are not. My cat was a perfect
example and would cry even when his ear was lightly touched. It's not
right to minimize what can be a very painful condition.

================================================== =====

Of course it hurts to touch a bruise or blood blister (hematoma) why would
you think it would not??! That is not to say that an *untouched* bruise or
hematoma is unbearably painful. I agree there might be a situation where
surgery is mandated, but I also feel you should weigh all your options
before subjecting an animal (or a person) to the risks of anesthesia or the
possible risks to the surgery itself.

================================================== =====


More to the point, Ginger-lyn is in such *dire* financial straits now that
I
think the vet not giving her the same information my vet gave me is really
unethical.


I don't think you're being fair to the vet, or to Ginger-Lyn for that
matter. From what I've read, her vet is very aware of her situation
and I've never seen her complain about her vet or their
recommendations. Since you didn't see the hematoma or witness the
exam, it is unreasonable to make a judgement as to what treatment
Ginger-Lyn's cat actually needed. I have no doubt Ginger-Lyn would
have asked the vet if there was anything they could do that was non-
surgical and I think she is also smart enough to know when her cat
really needs a necessary treatment. I give her props for getting this
taken care of, even though it was difficult for her financially.
That's the sign of a responsible, caring cat slave.

================================================== =====

I would say that neither of us is there to judge the severity of the
situation, but it didn't appear to me that her vet had given her the same
information mine gave me.

I'm sorry you find fault in my attempt to get information to her that may
have given her some questions to ask her vet, but please don't imply that I
am *not* a responsible, caring cat slave because my vet gave me different
information to use in my decision making and I chose the more conservative
approach. Choosing *NOT* to spend money one doesn't have when it is *NOT*
necessary is not being irresponsible or uncaring.

Hugs,

CatNipped

On Apr 16, 1:48*pm, "CatNipped" wrote:

Hematoma's can elicit much more pain than that of a bruise and while
your cat may have been okay, many are not. My cat was a perfect
example and would cry even when his ear was lightly touched. It's not
right to minimize what can be a very painful condition.

================================================== =====

Of course it hurts to touch a bruise or blood blister (hematoma) why would
you think it would not??! *That is not to say that an *untouched* bruise or
hematoma is unbearably painful. *I agree there might be a situation where
surgery is mandated, but I also feel you should weigh all your options
before subjecting an animal (or a person) to the risks of anesthesia or the
possible risks to the surgery itself.


If you read Ginger-Lyn's original post, she said that the vet said
that if they drained it it would just fill up again and that surgery
was the only option. For that to be the case, it was probably very
similar to my cat's hematoma and I would venture a guess to say that
it was pretty large.



More to the point, Ginger-lyn is in such *dire* financial straits now that
I
think the vet not giving her the same information my vet gave me is really
unethical.

I don't think you're being fair to the vet, or to Ginger-Lyn for that
matter. From what I've read, her vet is very aware of her situation
and I've never seen her complain about her vet or their
recommendations. Since you didn't see the hematoma or witness the
exam, it is unreasonable to make a judgement as to what treatment
Ginger-Lyn's cat actually needed. I have no doubt Ginger-Lyn would
have asked the vet if there was anything they could do that was non-
surgical and I think she is also smart enough to know when her cat
really needs a necessary treatment. I give her props for getting this
taken care of, even though it was difficult for her financially.
That's the sign of a responsible, caring cat slave.

================================================== =====

I would say that neither of us is there to judge the severity of the
situation, but it didn't appear to me that her vet had given her the same
information mine gave me.

Again, they said they could drain it but it would just fill up again
and that surgery was the only option. It's clear they gave her the
alternative to surgery and also gave her the likely outcome to that
alternative.


I'm sorry you find fault in my attempt to get information to her that may
have given her some questions to ask her vet,

I did not find fault with what you did, and I never said I did. If you
look at my reply to you I simply pointed out that hematomas can be a
lot more serious than what you dealt with and that surgery is usually
warranted. Hematoma's aren't usually that easy to deal with. That was
all.


but please don't imply that I
am *not* a responsible, caring cat slave because my vet gave me different
information to use in my decision making and I chose the more conservative
approach. *Choosing *NOT* to spend money one doesn't have when it is *NOT*
necessary is not being irresponsible or uncaring.

I never implied anything with regards to you. I said Ginger-Lyn was
doing a great thing to get her kitty taken care of even though the
finances are compromised. It was a compliment to her. If you want to
get defensive about that and twist it to make it about *you* (which it
wasn't) then I think you need to look within yourself rather than
accuse me of doing something I did not do.

I feel I need to jump in here, considering this thread is about me and
my cat and my decisions.

I have e-mailed both parties with my feelings, and in general, I think
that is where they belong -- in private e-mail.

I will only say that each situation is different, and what may be right
for one may be wrong for the other. I believe I made the right decision
for Cosmo; I could not allow him to suffer in pain needlessly, and I
wanted to give him a chance to not be in pain and to feel better again,
and to live out what life is left to him (and I believe he has quite a
bit of life left to him; as someone posted, he *is* a strong cat).

Catnipped is someone I consider a friend, and tripsovercats is new here.
But in this case, tripsovercats was completely accurate about my
situation, what happened, the hematoma, etc. He/she may have come
across to some too strongly, but his/her words comforted me greatly. I
hope everyone will give him/her a chance, as it sounds like
tripsovercats may have a great deal of insight to offer here.

I also believe Catnipped was only trying to help, and only had the best
of intentions. But I believe in this situation, her advice was wrong.
I hope that in saying that, we remain friends.

So, please, let's stop this. I do not want to be the cause of hurt and
angry feelings here.

Please just remember that Cosmo made it through the surgery (a surgery
both the vet and I agreed was necessary), that he has a good chance of
recovery, and that your wonderful purrs and prayers made all the difference.

Ginger-lyn