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  #41  
Old August 28th 12, 03:09 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
Julie Bove[_2_]
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...
Julie Bove wrote:
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
Your data base is on the smallish side, for a country with over
300,000,000 population.

Suggestion -- to you and others (you know who you are). Simply remove
the term "socialized medicine" and substitute
""universal health care", and see how much that simple change of words
will soothe your savage breasts.


---------
Nope. I don't even like HMO's. After having studied insurance on
the brink of my husband getting a new job I can now say that a lot of
it truly sucks. To say that we all need health insurance or to make
it available to everyone is truly meaningless. As much as I have
complained about the medical insurance that I do have, apparently it
is quite good. I consider myself lucky.

---------

To be blunt, I doubt if 99% of the respondents have a CLUE as to the
history of socialism. You just ingest and regurgitate the bilge that
is fed to you throujgh the corporate media. Their funders -- Koch et
al -- poop their pants at the thought that giving workers decent
conditions and refraining from manufacturing harmful products could --
heaven forfend -- send the stock price down even a point or two. Yet
all objective research shows that treating employees well, thus
lessening turnover and concomitant need for re-training, and selling
good products actually HELPS the bottom line.

---------

Actually I know pretty much about it seeing as how the brother of one
of my best friends was (not sure if he still is) a member of the
Socialist Worker's Party. I had to listen to him spout off about it
far more than I wanted to. Sounds pretty good on paper but when you
think about it, doesn't work out so well for a lot of people.

This comes from a card-carrying capitalist, who is sure capitalism can
be made to work profitably for the sellers and compassionately for the
buyers. It's only massive greed, arrogance, and lust for power that
screws up a viable system.

-------

Okay... I am one of those people who doesn't really desire to be
rich and famous. As long as I have a roof over my head, enough money
to get what I need, enough to eat, etc., I'm okay. I do donate food
to the food bank when I can and I do give to animal charities when I
can. *shrugs*


Capitalism has worked very well for over 250 years. Socialism, on the
other hand is definitely not working in Europe (many countries there are
going broke) and, it doesn't seem to be working very well here, either.
(Those bums who live down under the freeway overpass on welfare checks
are increasing in number) I think I'll stick with capitalism and our
Constitution, thanks.....


Yep. That's kinda why communes don't work either. I know some people who
tried that back in the 70's. Again, looks good on paper. But get just one
bad seed and...


  #42  
Old August 29th 12, 01:13 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
dgk
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
dgk wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

dgk wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
dgk wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her
suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.

Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread impressions...
cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile.

Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying what
little time you have. This is true for me, and also true for my
cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a longer life,
and then have the gall to impose their poor choice on the rest of
the world......

Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out.

Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know have the
following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't do it, then nobody
should do it, so we should make a law that forbids anyone from doing it.


I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most
liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to
someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body. You
want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use
cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on it.

No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and
problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to
control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the attack
on government as increasing corporate power.


http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer
ican-dream/


Yes, that's pretty much the idea.
  #43  
Old September 4th 12, 11:42 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
Bill Graham
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dgk wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
dgk wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

dgk wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
dgk wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats
getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't
getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of
the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.

Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy
being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want
them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread
impressions... cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile.

Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying
what little time you have. This is true for me, and also true
for my cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a
longer life, and then have the gall to impose their poor choice
on the rest of the world......

Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out.

Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know
have the following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't
do it, then nobody should do it, so we should make a law that
forbids anyone from doing it.

I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most
liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to
someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body.
You want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use
cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on
it.

No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and
problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to
control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the
attack on government as increasing corporate power.


http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer
ican-dream/


Yes, that's pretty much the idea.


Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.

  #44  
Old September 5th 12, 12:24 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
Brooklyn1
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"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.


Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


  #45  
Old September 5th 12, 08:06 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
Julie Bove[_2_]
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"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message
...
"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.


Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them.
I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store
say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned
me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the
freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from
Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them.

Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter
that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which
he did.

Hopefully they went to a good home.


  #46  
Old September 5th 12, 04:23 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
dgk
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.


Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to
the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on
these groups.

I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small
room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe
they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray
rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat
that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a
small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls,
water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break
a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a
screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they
didn't get out but they could have.

I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more.
And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's
called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few
outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I
feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good
chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to
the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I
can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in
Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we
should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if
sociable enough or, far more likely, killed?

And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper
than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my
spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that
matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food
that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to
die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet?

So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the
cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than
keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go
into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide
under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it.
Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both
love our cats.
  #47  
Old September 5th 12, 04:26 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
dgk
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message
.. .
"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.


Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them.
I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store
say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned
me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the
freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from
Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them.

Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter
that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which
he did.

Hopefully they went to a good home.


Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other
than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat
can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat.
PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live
their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment.
  #48  
Old September 5th 12, 08:46 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats
Billy[_3_]
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In article ,
dgk wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:


Why are you pin heads cross posting to a half dozen groups including
gardener's, consumer's groups? Are you a band of TROLLS? Or are you just
being lead by the anti-Christian Brooklyn1?
-----------
From: Sheldon a.k.a. Brooklyn1
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: I would like some feedback..
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)

Christian wrote:
I own a business "Professional Pond Maintenance and Fish Care".


That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't
own a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at
a loss.

I'm not here to promote my business.


That's your second untruth.

I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative,
on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally
and direct folks to my site for more information.

Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html

What do you think of the basic design?
Can you read it easily?
Ads or no ads?

I'm thinking people here are close to my target audience, being that
garden lovers usually like ponds even if they don't personally have
one.

Thank You,
Christian


Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the
arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your
name.
----------



"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both
for animals and men.


Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to
the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on
these groups.

I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small
room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe
they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray
rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat
that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a
small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls,
water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break
a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a
screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they
didn't get out but they could have.

I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more.
And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's
called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few
outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I
feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good
chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to
the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I
can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in
Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we
should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if
sociable enough or, far more likely, killed?

And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper
than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my
spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that
matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food
that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to
die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet?

So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the
cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than
keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go
into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide
under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it.
Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both
love our cats.


--
Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running

  #49  
Old September 5th 12, 10:32 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,rec.gardens,misc.consumers.house
Julie Bove[_2_]
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"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message
. ..
"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed
them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me,
and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose
to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and
for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century,
both
for animals and men.

Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.


I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have
them.
I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed
store
say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned
me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on
the
freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe
from
Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them.

Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a
shelter
that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered,
which
he did.

Hopefully they went to a good home.


Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other
than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat
can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat.
PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live
their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment.


True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw
pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention.


  #50  
Old September 6th 12, 02:10 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue,alt.pets.cats,
Billy[_3_]
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In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a
troll, or are you just unconscious?

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message
. ..
"Bill Graham" wrote:

Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed
them
and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time.
What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me,
and
they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose
to
stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and
for
them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century,
both
for animals and men.

Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap
*******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for
it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest
crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made
believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no
reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find
flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I
don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just
trolling.

I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have
them.
I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed
store
say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned
me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on
the
freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe
from
Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them.

Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a
shelter
that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered,
which
he did.

Hopefully they went to a good home.


Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other
than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat
can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat.
PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live
their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment.


True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw
pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention.


--
Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running

 




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