Mickey is home

"CatNipped" wrote
Pat wrote:
wrote

Did they give you pain medication for him?

No. We asked for them, but Dr. said the only pain he will have will be
during a BM and then only if the stool is not very soft. They gave stool
softener.

He really seems to feel fine. In fact if he slips out of Dave's room, he
wants to run all over the place and play with everyone.


Gawds, I can't imagine that! I saw my surgeon today and he "snipped" what
he said was nerveless scar tissue between two openings in my wound and
even after *lots* of pain killers I'm still over the moon in pain. Major
stomach surgery like that has got to hurt. But I guess the creature best
in the world at hiding pain would not show it. I can't help it, that has
got to hurt - my cats squeal when I step in a stray tail. But I also know
he'll get better soon and will definitely forget all about the pain, and
his pain, like mine, is a *GOOD* thing because it means we're alive when
we probably both should have been dead, so never mind, he's probably
running around giddy from that. ;

I can scarcely imagine it either, Lori. I've had abdominal surgery myself,
and there was definitely pain afterwards. I can't say it was severe pain, I
turned down pain meds at the time, but it hurt some. So I wasn't too shocked
at TED's decision.

He has talked with me on the phone more in one week than the other vet did -
including in his office - in ten years. I didn't keep track of the number of
times he called or the minutes spent in conversation, but I know he called
every day at least once and several days called twice, and at times I was
bemused at how long he could go on and in how much detail about every little
thing related to the case. He seems very competent compared with other vets
I've known.

Anyway what I'm getting at is that a relationship of trust has developed. I
didn't press him at length about pain meds - he was busy at the time - but I
trust his decision and I'm certain he would jump at the chance to provide
them if I did insist on them, but the fact is the cat *really doesn't* seem
to have pain! As fantastic as that sounds, I can touch the incision, even
press lightly on it, and he doesn't flinch, doesn't cry out or give any
indication of discomfort. If that changes at all, I will be on the phone to
TED immediately.

"CatNipped" wrote in message ...

On 8/19/2011 8:22 PM, Pat wrote:
wrote

Did they give you pain medication for him?

No. We asked for them, but Dr. said the only pain he will have will be
during a BM and then only if the stool is not very soft. They gave stool
softener.

He really seems to feel fine. In fact if he slips out of Dave's room, he
wants to run all over the place and play with everyone.





Gawds, I can't imagine that! I saw my surgeon today and he "snipped"
what he said was nerveless scar tissue between two openings in my wound
and even after *lots* of pain killers I'm still over the moon in pain.
Major stomach surgery like that has got to hurt. But I guess the
creature best in the world at hiding pain would not show it. I can't
help it, that has got to hurt - my cats squeal when I step in a stray
tail. But I also know he'll get better soon and will definitely forget
all about the pain, and his pain, like mine, is a *GOOD* thing because
it means we're alive when we probably both should have been dead, so
never mind, he's probably running around giddy from that. ;

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I had abdominal surgery years ago, and I woke up to the most excruciating
pain I have ever felt. I kept asking for something for it, and the nurses
would tell me that I had been given pain medication before I left surgery.
A couple of hours later, a nurse finally came in and apoligized--they had
forgotten to give me the regular pain medication before they sent me to
recovery. It was dreadful and something I have never forgotten. I would
*never* let a vet send one of my furbabies home without pain medication
following major surgery, especially abdominal surgery. I think a vet who
would do that should have to undergo surgery himself/herself without any
pain medication and see just how it feels.

MaryL

"MaryL" wrote
I had abdominal surgery years ago, and I woke up to the most excruciating
pain I have ever felt. I kept asking for something for it, and the nurses
would tell me that I had been given pain medication before I left surgery.
A couple of hours later, a nurse finally came in and apoligized--they had
forgotten to give me the regular pain medication before they sent me to
recovery. It was dreadful and something I have never forgotten. I would
*never* let a vet send one of my furbabies home without pain medication
following major surgery, especially abdominal surgery. I think a vet who
would do that should have to undergo surgery himself/herself without any
pain medication and see just how it feels.

Mickey didn't wake up without pain meds. He also spent a full 24 hours in
the
hospital on pain meds after the surgery.

Oh Jill, don't *ever* feel bad about posting a recipe - remember, this
is the one topic *not* about cats that is *not* off-topic. And as I
told someone else, I've even printed out your recipes so Ben would have
the to use. It's just not something I read through avidly - but that
doesn't mean I object to your posting it.

--
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CatNipped
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Catlady wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:

On Aug 19, 8:22*pm, "Pat" wrote:
"CatNipped" wrote

Did they give you pain medication for him?

No. We asked for them, but Dr. said the only pain he will have will
be during a BM and then only if the stool is not very soft. They
gave stool softener.

He really seems to feel fine. In fact if he slips out of Dave's
room, he wants to run all over the place and play with everyone.

**** you for not insisting on pain meds and not filing a board
complaint against a vet that refuses pain meds to a cat that just had
such an invasive surgery. Neither of you should be able to come within
100 miles of any feline. You are both animal abusers.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Alphonse's Brunswick Stew
Categories: Maincourses
Yield: 1 Servings

1 4 pound chicken; poached
1 2 pound rabbit; quartered
1 Virginia ham bone
2 c Onion; sliced
2 c Celery; chopped
1 c Carrots
2 c Cabbage; sliced
Garlic
Marjoram
2 Bay leaves
1 ds Cayenne; optional
3 lb Tomatoes with juice; chopped
1 lb Lima beans
1 1/2 lb Potatoes; chopped
4 c Corn
Salt and pepper
Parsley; optional

Here in the South, Brunswick stew and/or Burgoo have long been
traditionally served alongside barbeque. Since it's been so cold here
on the east coast this past week, I thought I'd share some Brunswick
Stew and Burgoo recipes from the Bubba-L archives to pass the time.
Y'all enjoy--they're good!

As a fellow Southron "shivering" in this inhospitable Northern
iceland (why go to Reyjavik when you can have it all here?), I want
to pass on to you one of my Brunswick Stew recipe to fortify you
before grading student papers, prepare lectures, and such. Starting
way in advance, poach one 4 lb chicken. Then add a 2 lb rabbit that's
been quartered (if you don't find any in your backyard by all means
substitute veal) and put on high heat and then simmer with the
chicken with additional water to cover. You should add the rabbit
some 35 minutes after having poached the chicken. When done, drain,
reserve the stock and cool the meats on a platter. Once the meats are
cool enough to touch with your fingers, bone the chicken and the
rabbit and chop into bite-size pieces. Return the chicken and rabbit
morsels into the stockpot and add a Virginia ham bone (if you got
one) along with 2 cups of sliced onions, 2 cups of chopped celery, 1
cup carrots, and 2 cups of sliced cabbage. Add garlic, marjoram, 2
bay leaves, and a little dash of cayenne (optional). Stir in 2-3 lbs
of chopped tomatoes with juice, bring to a boil, then simmer for 25
minutes. Add 1 lb of lima beans, 1 1/2 lbs chopped potatoes, and 4
cups of corn. Bring to a boil again and then simmer, stir the pot a
bit to prevent burning. This will take another hour. Season with salt
and black pepper. An option is to sprinkle finely chopped parsley
into the pot. You can serve this on a bed of rice, or with biscuit,
or, as I like to do, with fresh baguettes. A nicely tossed salad with
vinaigrette dressing would be a nice accompaniment to your stew.
Choose a good, full-bodied red wine to serve with your stew and you
and your guests can tell winter to do its worst. Recipe By
: Alphonse Vinh

Posted to bbq-digest V4 #43

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:21:01 -0800 (PST)

From: Tom Solomon

MMMMM

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CatNipped wrote:
Oh Jill, don't *ever* feel bad about posting a recipe - remember, this
is the one topic *not* about cats that is *not* off-topic. And as I
told someone else, I've even printed out your recipes so Ben would have
the to use. It's just not something I read through avidly - but that
doesn't mean I object to your posting it.

As long as the kitchen artist mentions offering some of it to
His(Her)Lordship T. Cat , the post is ON TOPIC!!

CatNipped wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:

Oh Jill, don't ever feel bad about posting a recipe - remember, this
is the one topic not about cats that is not off-topic. And as I told
someone else, I've even printed out your recipes so Ben would have
the to use. It's just not something I read through avidly - but that
doesn't mean I object to your posting it.

Grin, I think you missed the point.

We post recipes back at trolls or trollish behavior. Catlady doenst
'get it' that pain meds this time were groing to most likely cause
constipation which is the *last* thing this cats needs. You've been on
enough of them to understand that side effect.

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On 8/20/2011 6:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
CatNipped wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:

Oh Jill, don't ever feel bad about posting a recipe - remember, this
is the one topic not about cats that is not off-topic. And as I told
someone else, I've even printed out your recipes so Ben would have
the to use. It's just not something I read through avidly - but that
doesn't mean I object to your posting it.

Grin, I think you missed the point.

We post recipes back at trolls or trollish behavior. Catlady doenst
'get it' that pain meds this time were groing to most likely cause
constipation which is the *last* thing this cats needs. You've been on
enough of them to understand that side effect.


Ohmygawd, how right you are! I totally didn't think about that and I'm
the *first* person who should have. My only excuse is that I haven't
had to worry about that with the ileostomy - I will, however, once they
do the reversal.

Yeah, we do use recipes as a troll-b-que, but about recipes and food...
I don't know if you were reading here way back when (but even if you did
it's a good tip to the newbies anyway) the group, as a whole, decided
that recipes and food are never an off-topic post so you don't have to
put an OT in the subject line. For a while we were allowing biking to
be on-topic subject as well because there were so many bikers here and
it was discussed so much (before all this I used to bike up to 30 miles
a day), but I think all or most of the bikers moved to FB or other
greener pastures (like Helen and Monique to name too) and abandoned the
group for the most part.

--
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On Aug 20, 7:09*pm, CatNipped wrote:
I don't know if you were reading here way back when (but even if you did
it's a good tip to the newbies anyway) the group, as a whole, decided
that recipes and food are never an off-topic post so you don't have to
put an OT in the subject line. *For a while we were allowing biking to
be on-topic subject as well because there were so many bikers here and
it was discussed so much (before all this I used to bike up to 30 miles
a day), but I think all or most of the bikers moved to FB *or other
greener pastures (like Helen and Monique to name too) and abandoned the
group for the most part.

--
Hugs,

CatNipped

I so do not remember this. It must have been "before my time" but I do
remember Helen & Nathan's
biking adventures and Monique. So if biking was collectively
"allowed", then which OT subjects
were NOT allowed? I already know about declaw, animal abuse,
etc.etc.etc. but IIRC any topic
was fair game without a decision to "be allowed."

Sherry

On Aug 20, 11:36*am, "MaryL" wrote:
"CatNipped" *wrote in ...

On 8/19/2011 8:22 PM, Pat wrote:

*wrote

Did they give you pain medication for him?

No. We asked for them, but Dr. said the only pain he will have will be
during a BM and then only if the stool is not very soft. They gave stool
softener.

He really seems to feel fine. In fact if he slips out of Dave's room, he
wants to run all over the place and play with everyone.

Gawds, I can't imagine that! *I saw my surgeon today and he "snipped"
what he said was nerveless scar tissue between two openings in my wound
and even after *lots* of pain killers I'm still over the moon in pain.
Major stomach surgery like that has got to hurt. *But I guess the
creature best in the world at hiding pain would not show it. *I can't
help it, that has got to hurt - my cats squeal when I step in a stray
tail. *But I also know he'll get better soon and will definitely forget
all about the pain, and his pain, like mine, is a *GOOD* thing because
it means we're alive when we probably both should have been dead, so
never mind, he's probably running around giddy from that. *;

--
Hugs,

CatNipped
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See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", *maintained by Mark Edwards, at:http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/

Email: *L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net

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I had abdominal surgery years ago, and I woke up to the most excruciating
pain I have ever felt. *I kept asking for something for it, and the nurses
would tell me that I had been given pain medication before I left surgery..
A couple of hours later, a nurse finally came in and apoligized--they had
forgotten to give me the regular pain medication before they sent me to
recovery. *It was dreadful and something I have never forgotten. *I would
*never* let a vet send one of my furbabies home without pain medication
following major surgery, especially abdominal surgery. *I think a vet who
would do that should have to undergo surgery himself/herself without any
pain medication and see just how it feels.

MaryL

I agree with you, Mary. I had abdominal surgery last Dec. and was on a
morphine
pump for five days.
It sounds as if Mickey *doesn't* have bad pain. IME cats who are in
bad pain hide,
don't want to move.
Any vet worth his salt knows that pain inhibits healing. By giving
them meds, they're
not just making the cat more comfortable, they're helping the healing
process. Yoda
always got 2mg Tramadol (Human form, from a compounding pharmacy).
The first day or two are the worst. I'm puzzled why the vet didn't
give him a pain
injection before he came home.
Anyway, I'm glad he's better.
I never got angrier at a vet than I did when I took a stray in for
spay; the vet advsied
me that pain medication would be "an extra twenty dollars." I was
specifically
angry for three reasons; One, there should be no question about
whether or not to
administer pain meds after surgery. Two, The way he presented it to me
i felt as if
I was being held hostage for 20 bucks; Three, this must have been at
least a hundred
percent markup on the drug itself.

Sherry

Sherry